Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[jpiniero]

My guess is:
- 4060 Ti 16 GB for $499, which creates the same $100 gap to the 4070, as existed between the 3070 Ti and 3070.
- 4060 Ti 8 GB DOA edition for $429

I'd say $449 and $549. The 16 GB is probably more about PR than selling it... although it could work as a trial balloon to see if more VRAM at higher prices would work.

 

[Aapje]

I'd say $449 and $549. The 16 GB is probably more about PR than selling it... although it could work as a trial balloon to see if more VRAM at higher prices would work.

The prices I gave are already excessive and thus likely. Your prices are way too high. I don't think that Nvidia is foolish enough to think that they can get away with that.

 

[jpiniero]

The prices I gave are already excessive and thus likely. Your prices are way too high.

There's no way nVidia is going to release a card with a lower MSRP than the previous gen. $449 is even only a 12% increase.

 

[Aapje]

There's no way nVidia is going to release a card with a lower MSRP than the previous gen. $449 is even only a 12% increase.

???

All of the prices I gave are above the previous gen MSRP.

 

[jpiniero]

???

All of the prices I gave are above the previous gen MSRP.

Oh you're right. Maybe I should add "when you factor in inflation"

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB to launch on May 24th, a day before Radeon RX 7600 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA to announce three RTX 4060 cards this month NVIDIA sets the date for RTX 4060 Ti launch. A quick follow-up to the last story on RTX 4060 series. Our sources have confirmed that NVIDIA will launch three cards in the next 10 weeks or so, but interestingly, all three should be announced this...

videocardz.com

Videocardz updates the timelines of the 4060/Ti... claiming that the release of the 4060 Ti (8 GB) is May 24th, and the 4060 Ti (16 GB) and 4060 is in July.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB to launch on May 24th, a day before Radeon RX 7600 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA to announce three RTX 4060 cards this month NVIDIA sets the date for RTX 4060 Ti launch. A quick follow-up to the last story on RTX 4060 series. Our sources have confirmed that NVIDIA will launch three cards in the next 10 weeks or so, but interestingly, all three should be announced this...

videocardz.com

Videocardz updates the timelines of the 4060/Ti... claiming that the release of the 4060 Ti (8 GB) is May 24th, and the 4060 Ti (16 GB) and 4060 is in July.

I wonder how many would buy RTX 4060Ti 8GB instead of paying a bit more for the 16GB version.
The 16GB version could be sold later a lot easier and for more than the 8GB version.

 

[jpiniero]

I wonder how many would buy RTX 4060Ti 8GB instead of paying a bit more for the 16GB version.

It's probably going to be an $75-100 difference.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

It's probably going to be an $75-100 difference.

$399 vs $499?
That's not a small difference, considering performance would be basically the same except games where Vram is not enough. I think the 8GB version would sell more in this case.

 

[jpiniero]

$399 vs $499?

This guy claims it is $399 and $499.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti rumored to cost $399 (8GB) and $499 (16GB) - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti has rumored prices MEGAsizeGPU, an NVIDIA hardware leaker who is rarely wrong has just shared the first pricing rumors for NVIDIA’s upcoming RTX 4060 Ti series. According to the leaker, there should be a $100 price gap between the 8GB and 16GB version. The cheaper SKU is said...

videocardz.com

$399 is the same price as the 3060 Ti's original MSRP.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

25% higher price for 8GB extra Vram?
I would love the extra memory, but for $100 more It's pretty questionable investment. At least, I hope It has the full die enabled.

 

[maddie]

This guy claims it is $399 and $499.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti rumored to cost $399 (8GB) and $499 (16GB) - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti has rumored prices MEGAsizeGPU, an NVIDIA hardware leaker who is rarely wrong has just shared the first pricing rumors for NVIDIA’s upcoming RTX 4060 Ti series. According to the leaker, there should be a $100 price gap between the 8GB and 16GB version. The cheaper SKU is said...

videocardz.com

$399 is the same price as the 3060 Ti's original MSRP.

There goes the 200$ for 8 GB, What is your new $ estimate?

 

[jpiniero]

There goes the 200$ for 8 GB, What is your new $ estimate?

This is going from 4 to 8 chips, not 8 to 16.

 

[Heartbreaker]

25% higher price for 8GB extra Vram?
I would love the extra memory, but for $100 more It's pretty questionable investment. At least, I hope It has the full die enabled.

If it's a different die config between 8GB and 16 GB, then people will complain about name being the same.

No surprise that it cost $100 more.

 

[jpiniero]

The 4070 laptop uses the full config. Maybe they will save it on desktop for the refresh.

 

[MrTeal]

Well.... at least it has 16GB of VRAM for $500 if that's true. Much better than the original speculation of the 8GB card costing $500. Slow rolling with the 8GB kind of sucks, but if they weren't expecting the 8GB backlash of the last month that would make sense.

Also gives time for old inventory to continue to clear. Very few people would actually choose N21 over a 4060 Ti at this point, but considering how much faster the 6800XT will be it would be a good look is there wasn't a bunch of $510 to $540 6800 XT's to pollute the price per frame charts.

 

[Thunder 57]

If it's a different die config between 8GB and 16 GB, then people will complain about name being the same.

No surprise that it cost $100 more.

Why not? They hade the 1060 6GB and 3GB with different die configurations and got away with it. Charging $100 more for 16GB of VRAM is an expected, but crappy thing to do.

 

[SteinFG]

This is going from 4 to 8 chips, not 8 to 16.

Memory Prices are still per GB, regardless of chips. Memory manufacturers don't want to shoot themselves in the foot.
And nvidia wants to maintain margin, so the price for NV is probably a lot less, maybe 50-60 dollars.

 

[jpiniero]

Memory Prices are still per GB, regardless of chips.

That seems unlikely. I'm sure they charge more for 2 GB versus 1 but not that much. Higher speeds also cost more I imagine. The 4060 Ti uses 18 gbps GDDR6 versus the 21 GDDR6X that the 4070 and 4070 Ti use.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

dramexchange

This would mean $3.1-$4.2 *8 = $24.8-33.6 for extra 8GB Vram.
RTX 4060Ti 16GB could be easily priced for only $50 more.

P.S. Keep in mind that this extra memory is made from 8*8gb chips, 4*16gb chips should be cheaper per GB, but not sure by how much.

 

[tajoh111]

25% higher price for 8GB extra Vram?
I would love the extra memory, but for $100 more It's pretty questionable investment. At least, I hope It has the full die enabled.

What people don't realize is how expensive video memory is.

https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/filter/memory/memory/774?s=N4IgTCBcDaIOYBMECcBsIC6BfIA

This is bulk pricing in units of 2000, but per 2Gbytes, pricing ranges from 20 USD(gddr6) to 33 USD(gddr6x).

So 8gb of GDDR6 cost 80 dollars.

This is more than the manufacturing cost of a r9 7950x!!

So while $100 dollars does seem like quite a bit for 8gb of video memory, it's fair considering the cost. It's also likely why Nvidia is skimpy on the video memory, 4 to 8gb of GDDR6x cost 60 to 120 dollars more which is not an insignificant amount.

Videocard manufacturing is just tremendously more expensive than CPU manufacturing which is why AMD can throw in a $180 dollar ram kit on a $400 dollar CPU and still make money, particularly when they killed off the bundled cooler.

Something like an RTX 4090 founder edition probably cost something like $800 dollars to manufacture.

$230 GPU + $350 Memory + $150 for the cooler + $70 for the rest of the PCB and power circuitry.

While complaining about GPU prices seem fair given the economic climate, we should really complain about CPU pricing. When you remove the memory, have a vastly smaller silicon size, the cooler and PCB, the margins on CPU's are tremendous.

I don't see why don't see more complaints about CPU pricing or the lack of an increasing in core count.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

If RTX 4060TI 8GB costs $399, then RTX 4060 could cost $299-329.
RTX 4060Ti should be only 25-30% faster, If the clocks are similar, so price/performance will be also similar.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

What people don't realize is how expensive video memory is.

https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/filter/memory/memory/774?s=N4IgTCBcDaIOYBMECcBsIC6BfIA

This is bulk pricing in units of 2000, but per 2Gbytes, pricing ranges from 20 USD(gddr6) to 33 USD(gddr6x).

So 8gb of GDDR6 cost 80 dollars.

This is more than the manufacturing cost of a r9 7950x!!

So while $100 dollars does seem like quite a bit for 8gb of video memory, it's fair considering the cost. It's also likely why Nvidia is skimpy on the video memory, 4 to 8gb of GDDR6x cost 60 to 120 dollars more which is not an insignificant amount.

Videocard manufacturing is just tremendously more expensive than CPU manufacturing which is why AMD can throw in a $180 dollar ram kit on a $400 dollar CPU and still make money, particularly when they killed off the bundled cooler.

Something like an RTX 4090 founder edition probably cost something like $800 dollars to manufacture.

$230 GPU + $350 Memory + $150 for the cooler + $70 for the rest of the PCB and power circuitry.

While complaining about GPU prices seem fair given the economic climate, we should really complain about CPU pricing. When you remove the memory, have a vastly smaller silicon size, the cooler and PCB, the margins on CPU's are tremendous.

I don't see why don't see more complaints about CPU pricing or the lack of an increasing in core count.

So you thing 16GB GDDR6 costs $160?
With such a high GDDR6 price they would never sell the card for only $499, It's practically a1/3 of the asked price.
BTW I just posted the prices for 8gb GDDR6 chips, and they are many times lower, 16gb chips won't cost 5x more.

Edit: In your link the cheapest 16gb 16GHz IC is actually for $28.51.
28.51*8= $228 or 46% of the whole card. I think everyone would agree, that this can't be true.

 

[A///]

that's a distributor. they're making a profit off each component sale when you buy from them. they're getting it cheaper from the oem. the oem is who aibs go to, not a distributor. you don't make 4 trips when you can do a single hop. nvidia at least sells the dies with the memory and other components in a package iirc. distributors are for small to mid size companies that won't be ordering 6-10 million in raw materials.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

nvidia at least sells the dies with the memory and other components in a package iirc.

Is this true? I would think AIBs would directly buy memory instead from nvidia, so It would be cheaper.