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spidey07

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Acorn has frozen hiring and loan intake applications pending an internal review.
Seem to be feeling the heat.

They're back peddling once congress started pushing to fully cut of their money. I though the videos were doctored, acorn? I thought this was just racism? I thought the volunteers were just "playing along"?

No - you KNEW this was going on, you condone it and encourage illegal behavior and voter fraud.

Full congressional criminal investigation, NOW. Before all the evidence is destroyed. I bet every office depot within 50 miles of an acorn office is all out of paper shredders.

ACORN - Volunteer was just playing along.
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews
"When the actors approached Ms. Kaelke with their provocative costuming and outlandish scenario, she could not take them seriously. So she met their outrageousness with her own personal style of outrageousness. She matched their false scenario with her own false scenarios."
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: spidey07
ACORN - Volunteer was just playing along.
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews
"When the actors approached Ms. Kaelke with their provocative costuming and outlandish scenario, she could not take them seriously. So she met their outrageousness with her own personal style of outrageousness. She matched their false scenario with her own false scenarios."

It was all pretty ridiculous and surreal, but still if she knew it was an act, she would have also known it was a setup for national broadcast.

I do find it interesting, and probably a good sign of our country, that Glenn Beck has not found himself underneath Giants Stadium yet :p
 

PJABBER

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Girl Talk: My Time with Tresa Kaelke
by Hannah Giles


**This is a Part II of the ACORN San Bernardino exposé.


?[ACORN San Bernardino Office Supervisor Christina] Spach said Kaelke pretended to cooperate with O?Keefe and Giles because she feared for her safety.?
-The San Bernardino Sun


Miss Tresa Kaelke came off as the ?cool? grandma type: ready to talk, listen and dive into something adventurous. She was very much straight out of the free-love and anti-war era. She was not there to discriminate; she was there to condone and get her twisted fill of gossip for the day.

Example: when we were in the office with her I noticed a rose on her white pants (front left side). I commented and said ?I like your rose,? and she responded with something along the lines of, ?Thanks, I just drew it myself.? It was actually a cute and well drawn rose? colorful and cute. If she hadn?t told me she drew it I would have assumed the pants came like that.

Tresa was elated to have such an interesting visit that Monday afternoon. We went in with the same scenario as all the past ACORN offices and she, upon learning our line of work and alleged purpose for the visit, began openly disclosing information about her sex life, criminal history and political involvement.

After Talking with Jim Miller (the man across the street), Tresa and I ended up talking by ourselves for several minutes. She gave me some advice on locations for my underage brothel (based on the political arena) and said that I should have a separate savings account for a lawyer so that if I do get into trouble with the authorities, having a high class lawyer will help my reputation.

Then we moved into the personal side of things.

She went on to talk about how one day, my character (Eden), would break James? heart. He would be devastated and I need to be careful not to make the wrong person mad, especially since he is a future lawyer and has political aspirations.

She wasn?t fearful. She was bored.

When James came back, she stopped talking about how I was going to break his heart. She switched gears and went on to tell James he has the look of royalty. I thought it strange and was trying to figure out where she was going with the conversation, but then I realized she was trying to help me with the break up process. She was doing this to boost his ego so that heartbreak wouldn?t hit hard, setting me up for an escape from the relationship. A man with confidence and ego is less likely to relish the wounds of heartbreak and rejection? so I jumped in and called her a ?fox.? We all laughed, and chatted some more. She gave James some sage wisdom, telling him, ?If you love something, let it go.?

And the next video of the ongoing saga of ACORN is now released...

Part II - San Bernardino, CA

Part III
 

PJABBER

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BREAKING: More ACORN Videos To Be Revealed


?There are more,? Mike Flynn, Editor-in-chief of new site BigGovernment.com, told HUMAN EVENTS in an exclusive interview this afternoon regarding the number of undercover films exposing ACORN. Flynn would not reveal the location of the ACORN office where the latest video was filmed, but he said, ?It?s a slightly different discussion in this one than you?ve seen so far.? The video should break around 9 p.m. EST.

Flynn said this is not the last one, either. ?There are more after that. It is amazing. Stay tuned.?
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Schmide
PJABBER Discuss the issues! Stop dumping articles in the conversation. Especially really really big ones.
Someone else used to do this a ton, riprorin. It is fucking annoying no matter what the subject is or who is doing it. Do like everyone else and paste a URL and just add your commentary, no need to copy and paste the entire articles into P&N.
People who do that are incapable of discussing the issues because they actually don't know the issues. They just believe what they are told to believe. Which is why they just post articles (other peoples' words).
Meh. I used to post whole articles, or at least substantial excerpts, AND add significant commentary. I preferred to include the article text because I got tired of links breaking, often after only a few weeks. I also thought it helped the discussion by making it more convenient for everyone to highlight and quote specific pieces they felt were noteworthy. If I later found new and related articles, I'd add them to the same thread. Some threads were semi-active for months, offering a fairly good chronicle of a story.

Riprorin's M.O. was more of a dump and run, copying tripe articles from fringe sources, plopping each one into a thread of its own, and never returning to discuss his position, let alone defend and debate it.
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
ACORN + SEIU + ? = OBAMA

Follow the money.
True, where '?' = "sore losers with vivid imaginations and and a tiny mind overflowing with partisan hatred"

Do I get a prize for solving your equation?
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Schmide
PJABBER Discuss the issues! Stop dumping articles in the conversation. Especially really really big ones.
Someone else used to do this a ton, riprorin. It is fucking annoying no matter what the subject is or who is doing it. Do like everyone else and paste a URL and just add your commentary, no need to copy and paste the entire articles into P&N.
People who do that are incapable of discussing the issues because they actually don't know the issues. They just believe what they are told to believe. Which is why they just post articles (other peoples' words).
Meh. I used to post whole articles, or at least substantial excerpts, AND add significant commentary. I preferred to include the article text because I got tired of links breaking, often after only a few weeks. I also thought it helped the discussion by making it more convenient for everyone to highlight and quote specific pieces they felt were noteworthy. If I later found new and related articles, I'd add them to the same thread. Some threads were semi-active for months, offering a fairly good chronicle of a story.

Riprorin's M.O. was more of a dump and run, copying tripe articles from fringe sources, plopping each one into a thread of its own, and never returning to discuss his position, let alone defend and debate it.

The first day I started posting at P&N one of the mods cautioned me to not just post my own opinion but also some reference source, such as a news story.

I believe including sources is important but not everything needs to first be someone else's opinion or story, especially in political commentary. What if you hold a position that is unique and that has little third party coverage?

Having said that, I think the mod policy has been fairly effective and allows all of us that value intellectual depth to provide a level of research and documentation that generally overcomes the rounds of name calling and ad hominem attack that comprises a significant portion of the commentary posts.

I find it very interesting that those who are the most egregious name callers and use ad hominem attack the most, themselves have virtually no original thread posts of note.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
ACORN + SEIU + ? = OBAMA

Follow the money.
True, where '?' = "sore losers with vivid imaginations and and a tiny mind overflowing with partisan hatred"

Do I get a prize for solving your equation?

You have a clue as to who "?" might be if you apply the clue provided - "Follow the money."

You can "account" on more to come...

:laugh:
 

spidey07

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Gotta hand it to these two. They know how to pound this home, it cannot be ignored. If they caught suggesting voter fraud or they had a different approach it shows just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
ACORN + SEIU + ? = OBAMA

Follow the money.
True, where '?' = "sore losers with vivid imaginations and and a tiny mind overflowing with partisan hatred"

Do I get a prize for solving your equation?

Might want to check up on Obamas relationship with ACORN before you brush off the claim as "idiotic"
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
ACORN + SEIU + ? = OBAMA

Follow the money.
True, where '?' = "sore losers with vivid imaginations and and a tiny mind overflowing with partisan hatred"

Do I get a prize for solving your equation?
You have a clue as to who "?" might be if you apply the clue provided - "Follow the money."
Thanks, but I think I already solved it. It's not the first time I've found a Prof who didn't really understand his material, PJ.


You can "account" on more to come...

:laugh:
No doubt. The modern GOP has an unrivaled mastery of the smear campaign, and while these campaigns rarely have much substance behind them, they are enough to keep the faithful in line and muddy the waters for your average, inattentive American. Unfortunately for the GOP, they fail at delivering much of anything beyond lining the pockets of a tiny group of elites. A fed-up electorate wasn't satisfied with that in 2008. We'll see how long their attention spans are.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
ACORN + SEIU + ? = OBAMA

Follow the money.
True, where '?' = "sore losers with vivid imaginations and and a tiny mind overflowing with partisan hatred"

Do I get a prize for solving your equation?
You have a clue as to who "?" might be if you apply the clue provided - "Follow the money."
Thanks, but I think I already solved it. It's not the first time I've found a Prof who didn't really understand his material, PJ.


You can "account" on more to come...

:laugh:
No doubt. The modern GOP has an unrivaled mastery of the smear campaign, and while these campaigns rarely have much substance behind them, they are enough to keep the faithful in line and muddy the waters for your average, inattentive American. Unfortunately for the GOP, they fail at delivering much of anything beyond lining the pockets of a tiny group of elites. A fed-up electorate wasn't satisfied with that in 2008. We'll see how long their attention spans are.

After all the action congress is doing to try to cut funding, the move by the Census org, I'd say a lot of delivering came from this. And if you mean cutting lining the pockets of criminals (ACORN), that's a good thing.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
ACORN + SEIU + ? = OBAMA

Follow the money.
True, where '?' = "sore losers with vivid imaginations and and a tiny mind overflowing with partisan hatred"

Do I get a prize for solving your equation?

Might want to check up on Obamas relationship with ACORN before you brush off the claim as "idiotic"
And you might want to work on your reading comprehension. I never used the word "idiotic," no matter how many quotes you put around it.

I'm also not terribly concerned about Obama's connections to the ACORN organization, at least based on what we know today. So far ACORN appears to poorly managed with a handful of incompetent, unprincipled, or corrupt employees ... just like Congress ... and most of the Fortune 1000, for that matter. This is a point you wing-nuts ignore in your zeal to take down an organization whose goals are diametrically opposed to yours. ACORN wants to help America's poor and give them a voice in American democracy.

 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
No doubt. The modern GOP has an unrivaled mastery of the smear campaign, and while these campaigns rarely have much substance behind them, they are enough to keep the faithful in line and muddy the waters for your average, inattentive American. Unfortunately for the GOP, they fail at delivering much of anything beyond lining the pockets of a tiny group of elites. A fed-up electorate wasn't satisfied with that in 2008. We'll see how long their attention spans are.
After all the action congress is doing to try to cut funding, the move by the Census org, I'd say a lot of delivering came from this.
Yep, they delivered a load of slime and the cowards in Congress are scurrying for the exits. Its what they usually do when something immaterial suddenly explodes in the public consciousness. Given that you love to blast Congress for its incompetence, this should have been your clue that you're on the wrong side of the issue.


And if you mean cutting lining the pockets of criminals (ACORN), that's a good thing.
If you think ACORN is getting anything more than chump change compared to the real beneficiaries of our corrupt government, you're an even bigger fool than I imagined ... and that's saying something. They're not even a drop in the bucket, more like a drop in the water tower.
 

SigArms08

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Originally posted by: VinylxScratches
You right wing loonies are really fixed on ACORN. Is this all you can do?

So, that's how you and YOUR kind attempt to so casually dismiss and gloss over this whole thing (as well as their suspicious/criminal-like behaviour in the past).

Not everybody concerned is some "right wing loon", but most of us are legitimate tax payers that have to watch our money fund such corrupt garbage.

 

Patranus

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Michael Moore make a movie - a hail the movie
OKeefe makes a video - its fake, its a political agenda
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Patranus
Michael Moore make a movie - a hail the movie
OKeefe makes a video - its fake, its a political agenda

Except this time Okeefe is affecting action from congress. Patriot.
 

CitizenKain

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So it turns out those two idiots bought the line from the lady about killing her husband and didn't bother to research that at all before putting it on the news. Guess fact checking is against policy for the rightwing, which isn't a huge surprise.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
So it turns out those two idiots bought the line from the lady about killing her husband and didn't bother to research that at all before putting it on the news. Guess fact checking is against policy for the rightwing, which isn't a huge surprise.

Whelp. Doubt we'll hear any retractions from ATPN or Fox News

Fox News conservatives, along with Foxnews.com and Fox Nation (screen grabs after the jump) were agog over what Sean Hannity called ?the most shocking undercover footage? captured to date? by those two conservative media darlings, Hannah Giles and James O?Keefe. Giles and O'Keefe, you may recall, have released a series of videos of their escapades posing as a pimp and a prostitute to entrap ACORN on film (and without a care that they likely broke the law while doing it). Although their previous efforts seem to have uncovered some genuine wrongdoing by some low-level ACORN staffers, their latest ?expose? seems to have only exposed how shoddy their own journalistic instincts and ethics are, along with those of their benefactor, Andrew Breitbart, and Fox News. With video.

Predictably, Giles and O?Keefe?s latest video release was treated as major news on Fox News yesterday (9/15/09).


Glenn Beck devoted his entire show to it. Sean Hannity was full of credible enthusiasm as he announced that in San Bernardino, CA, the supersleuths uncovered ?a much more serious crime.?

On Hannity, as on Beck, earlier, viewers were treated to ACORN?s Tresa Kaelke's story about how she used to work for an escort service, her tips for how Giles and O?Keefe might cover up their prostitution business in order to acquire a home for themselves and their underage girls from El Salvador, and the ?explosive? news that Kaelka had killed her husband.

The only problem? It?s not true. As ACORN has stated in its press release,

quote:

?They were not believable", said Ms. Kaelke of the two actors. "Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me. Like Stephan Colbert does ? saying the most outrageous things with a straightface." While her sense of humor might not be funny to many people, the fact is that she spun false scenario after false scenario and the videographer ate them up.


ACORN provided a copy of a San Bernardino police report of their investigation into the ?homicide? of Kaelke?s husband. The police concluded, ?the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party?s known former husbands, who are alive and well.?

ACORN also points out that the fact that the filmmakers, Breitbart and Fox presented the video as truth, without any independent investigation, calls into question all of their journalistic standards. The organization also questioned why some footage that reflected well on ACORN had been edited out of the video.

Breitbart, who appeared with Giles on Hannity last night, repeatedly complained about the media?s lack of vetting of ACORN. ?It?s not just a case of vetting? It?s about actually looking at a group like ACORN.? Now we know he committed the same sin he was accusing the rest of the media of committing. Referring to the other mainstream media, Breitbart said with a straight face, ?to call it bias at this point, there has to be a stronger word. It?s duplicity.? He should know.

Breitbart went on to make the dubious claim that he was receiving so much email he?d need to hire ?200 people to deal with the tentacles of ACORN.? Surely he could have spared just one to check on whether the video he and Giles were presenting was truthful.

As Giles looked dully on, Breitbart continued, ?I think this is the perfect exposure of the Democrat media complex.?

Actually, it?s the perfect exposure of the Republican media complex. First, you have Giles and O?Keefe. Not quite the ?independent filmmakers? they are presented as, each is a well-connected conservative activist. O'Keefe is an anti-choice zealot who specializes in using deceptive practices to trick his targets into embarrassing themselves. Giles is the daughter of Townhall.com founder Doug Giles. As Hannah Giles previously revealed on Hannity, she knew nothing about ACORN, other than that she didn?t? like the organization, before she hatched her plan to dupe them. Breitbart soon proved he had not vetted Kaelke?s claim and didn?t care. Nor did Fox News, as Glenn Beck proved earlier. So do the screen grabs from Foxnews.com and Fox Nation below.

It was Hannity, of all people, who offered a modicum of ethics and independence.

?Did you ever check to see if in fact she (Kaelka) had a husband that was killed?? he asked Giles.

?We?re working on that,? Giles answered evasively. Funny, I thought journalists were supposed to finish their investigation before they issue their reports. And if nothing else, you?d think Giles or Breitbart, if he was so concerned about vetting stories, would have revealed up front that they didn?t know if Kaelke were really a murderess, instead of waiting for Hannity to ask, much later in the interview.

?You haven?t gotten to the details on that,? Hannity pressed.

Breitbart jumped in, ?Look, there?s so much stuff coming in?? Just so much stuff he HAD to go on TV that night, instead of waiting another few days, and COULDN'T tell the viewers he had not vetted the material?

Hannity continued, ?In fairness, she could have just been??

He never got to finish because Breitbart interrupted ? to deliberately push the conversation away from Hannity?s line of questioning - with a response that did not answer his question. ?She certainly does exist and if you look on the internet, you can see that she?s also involved in the other side of ACORN? so she is a community organizer in the political sense.?

Giles added, ?There is a criminal record also for her if you look her up on different things.? Giles never bothered to explain what Kaelke?s ?criminal record? is.

?So you?re really investigating that now,? Hannity said.

?We?re working on that,? Giles said evasively again. The ?we report, you decide? network?s audience might have wanted to know how far she had gotten in that ?investigation? but, after presenting this as some kind of significant proof of ACORN wrongdoing, Giles was suddenly not interested in giving any further information about it.

?But we don?t know if it?s true yet,? Hannity said, about Kaelke?s confession of homicide.

?We don?t know if it?s true,? Giles finally admitted.

?You both are being threatened with a lawsuit along with James O?Keefe,? Hannity said. He forgot to mention that ACORN is also threatening to sue Fox News and that the State of Maryland is considering prosecuting Giles and O?Keefe for illegally recording the conversations with ACORN without their consent .


Breitbart dodged that question, too, by alleging that the Baltimore chapter of ACORN had let its charter lapse.

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/...ws_punked_by_acorn.php