Acorn video - encouraging committing crimes

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

ACORN was registering DEAD people to vote, including the late Paul Newman. They were participating in voter fraud, plain and clear.

ACORN Voter Fraud in Miami

"The workers, who were paid between $8 and $10 an hour, registered names of nonexistent people -- in one case, Paul Newman and James Taylor appeared on cards -- or simply filled out several cards for the same real voter, authorities said."

Partisan hackery much?

Did you read the article before pasting it? Or was there too much text there for it be read to you?


Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.

``We've been very aggressive about a lot of these cases,'' she said. ``But we would not have known about these workers unless ACORN brought it to us.


Do you understand that part?

Here is how things work: These people are hired, and paid, to bring in Voter registration cards. Now, when Acorn gets them, they know they are fake, so they flag them as such, but they are required to turn them in. The voter registration board looks at them, goes "yep, fake, thanks for telling us." The people who turned in the people were ACORN themselves.

Partisan hackery much?

 

[OCGuy]

^

I wonder if a few of our resident Obama campaigners are going to be out of a job when ACORN folds?

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Partisan hackery much?

Just another Left-Wing Apologist.

Lol! Of course you failed to comment on the first paragraph of my post were I said they should be shut down and were I mentioned that these sort of organizations should NOT EXIST AT ALL, but for educational puposes only. Of course you guys did. I think we all should use this ACORN flap to call for eliminating all government give-aways to these type groups; includeing the "faith-based charities".

Partison hackery apologists indeed.

This ACORN discussion is a gift that keeps on giving. And that beautiful couple. Huggy Bear and his bitch.They are incredibly brave to do what they did, aren't they? Brave - and brilliant. You know, I have a feeling that Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, Malkin, all those people are going to have another one of those funny coincidental moments where they all get the same idea on the same day, to embrace the videographers as bold outspoken truth-tellers in the face of the power of the liberal media.

What will follow, after a period of intense soul-searching and a bunch of crazy, comic-relief, "Wait, you're doing that too?" moments among the pundits, is the sudden, "Damn it all, there are more important things than profts," Profits?! Naah. Clearing of interview schedules, the appearance of the two brave kids on the right-wing talk show circuit, and a whirlwind, totally unplanned book deal or TV segment of their own that all of the pundits will spontaneously agree is the hottest, boldest thing out there. They will even use - ha ha, more "Who'd've thunk it?" coincidence - nearly the same words in their effusive praise! Their passion and conviction just come through so clearly, don't you think?

Carry On!

 

[Underclocked]

Deflect and attack, throw in a bit of name-calling. Carry on!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

ACORN was registering DEAD people to vote, including the late Paul Newman. They were participating in voter fraud, plain and clear.

ACORN Voter Fraud in Miami

"The workers, who were paid between $8 and $10 an hour, registered names of nonexistent people -- in one case, Paul Newman and James Taylor appeared on cards -- or simply filled out several cards for the same real voter, authorities said."

Partisan hackery much?

Did you read the article before pasting it? Or was there too much text there for it be read to you?


Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.

``We've been very aggressive about a lot of these cases,'' she said. ``But we would not have known about these workers unless ACORN brought it to us.


Do you understand that part?

Here is how things work: These people are hired, and paid, to bring in Voter registration cards. Now, when Acorn gets them, they know they are fake, so they flag them as such, but they are required to turn them in. The voter registration board looks at them, goes "yep, fake, thanks for telling us." The people who turned in the people were ACORN themselves.

Partisan hackery much?

If ACORN knew that the people were committing fraud; why did they allow it to continue?
How did ACORN know they were false. Are they doing the checking.

If the voter registration board starts to trust what ACORN is delivering, they may not check the others themselves. Now what can get by.

Remember that Miami-Dade is the home of the registered dead - the board looks the other way.


When so many frauds come in, it should indicate an problem with the system.

 

[Shallok]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
If ACORN knew that the people were committing fraud; why did they allow it to continue?
How did ACORN know they were false. Are they doing the checking.

If the voter registration board starts to trust what ACORN is delivering, they may not check the others themselves. Now what can get by.

Remember that Miami-Dade is the home of the registered dead - the board looks the other way.


When so many frauds come in, it should indicate an problem with the system.

I'm not sure what ACORN's QC practices have to do with a county performing their own audit. All voter registration forms should be subject to a random audit designed to weed out the majority of the bad ones. If a county decided to accept ACORN's, or the RNCs, or any group's word as to which forms were valid and which were invalid, it would be the county's responsibility, not ACORN's (or whatever group).

The problem with the system, in this case, is simply that ACORN is required to submit all forms, period. They can not throw out a form that is filled out for Elvis or Jesus or Obama. ACORN exacerbates the problem, perhaps, by rewarding those who have more forms submitted, thus creating an incentive for fraud.

Its good that ACORN is having its access to federal funds cut off, as this way we hopefully won't have to waste more time talking about it. The lack of funds won't matter much to ACORN (they've only taken 50 some million over 15 years), and the folks at foxnews can move on to attacking some other created boogeyman. ACORN clearly needs to go through and do some serious house-cleaning though, top to bottom.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Shallok

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
If ACORN knew that the people were committing fraud; why did they allow it to continue?
How did ACORN know they were false. Are they doing the checking.

If the voter registration board starts to trust what ACORN is delivering, they may not check the others themselves. Now what can get by.

Remember that Miami-Dade is the home of the registered dead - the board looks the other way.


When so many frauds come in, it should indicate an problem with the system.

I'm not sure what ACORN's QC practices have to do with a county performing their own audit. All voter registration forms should be subject to a random audit designed to weed out the majority of the bad ones. If a county decided to accept ACORN's, or the RNCs, or any group's word as to which forms were valid and which were invalid, it would be the county's responsibility, not ACORN's (or whatever group).

The problem with the system, in this case, is simply that ACORN is required to submit all forms, period. They can not throw out a form that is filled out for Elvis or Jesus or Obama. ACORN exacerbates the problem, perhaps, by rewarding those who have more forms submitted, thus creating an incentive for fraud.

Its good that ACORN is having its access to federal funds cut off, as this way we hopefully won't have to waste more time talking about it. The lack of funds won't matter much to ACORN (they've only taken 50 some million over 15 years), and the folks at foxnews can move on to attacking some other created boogeyman. ACORN clearly needs to go through and do some serious house-cleaning though, top to bottom.

You should listen to the leader of ACORN speak. That will quickly change your mind on what their objective is. I wish I could find a link but she's stated in so many words their goal is to basically gerrymander to give the poor and oppressed people a misrepresentative portion of the vote/district.

The show I listened to was on America Left on XM channel 167. Mark somebody but it was between 6:00 and 7:00 EDT. I think it was this tuesday. I'll see if I can find it. What she was saying was flat out disgusting.

 

[PJABBER]

Now that ACORN is finally under scrutiny, what about someone who identified himself so wholeheartedly with them - President Obama?

Obama is going to be on TV this Sunday (when is he not?) He is going to be interviewed by some very shrewd people on almost all of the political talk shows. How many will ask him to address the moral and fiduciary failures that characterize ACORN? How many will examine his role in ACORN?

There are a lot of sources for information on the Internet, but the official sources are rapidly being sanitized by the Obama staff to re-write history and remove references to Obama's ties with ACORN. Within a few days it will be hard to find any confirmation that Obama is tied to and owes his political career to ACORN.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
When so many frauds come in, it should indicate an problem with the system.

That's the system the Democrats voted for and supported, and it's helped them win the dead vote in every election.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You should listen to the leader of ACORN speak. That will quickly change your mind on what their objective is. I wish I could find a link but she's stated in so many words their goal is to basically gerrymander to give the poor and oppressed people a misrepresentative portion of the vote/district.

The show I listened to was on America Left on XM channel 167. Mark somebody but it was between 6:00 and 7:00 EDT. I think it was this tuesday. I'll see if I can find it. What she was saying was flat out disgusting.

Nothing wrong with ACORN advocating redistricting to favor the poor, there are plenty of groups/people advocating redistricting to favor other groups too.

You can do it yourself too, either as an individual or join a group you agree with.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
When so many frauds come in, it should indicate an problem with the system.

That's the system the Democrats voted for and supported, and it's helped them win the dead vote in every election.

:laugh:

Ah yes, the ever-important "dead" demographic, which is a lock to vote 100% Democrat each election!

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

ACORN was registering DEAD people to vote, including the late Paul Newman. They were participating in voter fraud, plain and clear.

ACORN Voter Fraud in Miami

"The workers, who were paid between $8 and $10 an hour, registered names of nonexistent people -- in one case, Paul Newman and James Taylor appeared on cards -- or simply filled out several cards for the same real voter, authorities said."

Partisan hackery much?

Did you read the article before pasting it? Or was there too much text there for it be read to you?


Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.

``We've been very aggressive about a lot of these cases,'' she said. ``But we would not have known about these workers unless ACORN brought it to us.


Do you understand that part?

Here is how things work: These people are hired, and paid, to bring in Voter registration cards. Now, when Acorn gets them, they know they are fake, so they flag them as such, but they are required to turn them in. The voter registration board looks at them, goes "yep, fake, thanks for telling us." The people who turned in the people were ACORN themselves.

Partisan hackery much?

Hmm...maybe after being investigated for voter fraud in a bunch of other states, they finally decided to take some action? Politicians (especially corrupt ones) are adept at this thing called "damage control". When something is bad and spiraling out of control, they try and put out the fire before the whole house burns down.

In this case, it didn't work.

How do you explain all the investigations and indictments in other states that occurred before this case in Miami-Dade?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat
All politics aside: These dirtbags were taped offering their assitance to people they believed were engaged in child slavery and child prostitution - assitance that they believed would allow people to continue forcing innocent children into these repulsive circumstances.

Our concern as a society should be squashing every person and organization that is even remotely associated with the exploitation of our children, without ANY reservation.

To see this funnelled into the 'my team is better than your team' discussion really REALLY bothers me.

These people so easily accepted the descriptions of child exploitation, it is very difficult to believe that it could be the first time they heard those types of discussions. Think about how different your reaction would be if someone told you they were planning to use underage girls for prositutes.

A repeated pattern is on tape at multiple, separate locations. There's obviously a problem that goes beyond issues of "Democrat vs. Republican".

Haven't seen you around here. Welcome!
A brief explanation of how things work around here. We have a number of partisians around here who when confronted with the question "isn't this wrong" will effectively say "that depends on if my party or the other did it". Welcome to P&N.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Underclocked
Deflect and attack, throw in a bit of name-calling. Carry on!

That's the GOP way. What else is new.

And yeah, I know what you meant.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat
All politics aside: These dirtbags were taped offering their assitance to people they believed were engaged in child slavery and child prostitution - assitance that they believed would allow people to continue forcing innocent children into these repulsive circumstances.

Our concern as a society should be squashing every person and organization that is even remotely associated with the exploitation of our children, without ANY reservation.

To see this funnelled into the 'my team is better than your team' discussion really REALLY bothers me.

These people so easily accepted the descriptions of child exploitation, it is very difficult to believe that it could be the first time they heard those types of discussions. Think about how different your reaction would be if someone told you they were planning to use underage girls for prositutes.

A repeated pattern is on tape at multiple, separate locations. There's obviously a problem that goes beyond issues of "Democrat vs. Republican".

First off Welcome.

second well said. i agree and it makes me sick that people turn far to much into a Democrat vs. Republican debate.

Acorn is currupt. there were issues during the election that showed that yet they were ignored. Now more has came out. it is time to look at them.

This is not a bash against dems or Obama. I want people to look at Acorn. They are to get a bunch of taxpayer money. if they are doing what the vidoes say we need to shut them down.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat
All politics aside: These dirtbags were taped offering their assitance to people they believed were engaged in child slavery and child prostitution - assitance that they believed would allow people to continue forcing innocent children into these repulsive circumstances.

Our concern as a society should be squashing every person and organization that is even remotely associated with the exploitation of our children, without ANY reservation.

To see this funnelled into the 'my team is better than your team' discussion really REALLY bothers me.

These people so easily accepted the descriptions of child exploitation, it is very difficult to believe that it could be the first time they heard those types of discussions. Think about how different your reaction would be if someone told you they were planning to use underage girls for prositutes.

A repeated pattern is on tape at multiple, separate locations. There's obviously a problem that goes beyond issues of "Democrat vs. Republican".

First off Welcome.

second well said. i agree and it makes me sick that people turn far to much into a Democrat vs. Republican debate.

Acorn is currupt. there were issues during the election that showed that yet they were ignored. Now more has came out. it is time to look at them.

This is not a bash against dems or Obama. I want people to look at Acorn. They are to get a bunch of taxpayer money. if they are doing what the vidoes say we need to shut them down.

Um...except the fact that ACORN was committing voter fraud for Democrats, and they endorsed Obama in 2008, and benefited heavily from that endorsement.

ACORN Politics

I am baffled that some are claiming this is a party-neutral issue. ACORN committed voter fraud for Democrats. ACORN endorsed Obama and Democrat candidates. Only Democrats voted against the measures to defund ACORN.

All this wishy-washy "it's not a Dem/Rep" junk wilts in the light of the facts.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

ACORN was registering DEAD people to vote, including the late Paul Newman. They were participating in voter fraud, plain and clear.

ACORN Voter Fraud in Miami

"The workers, who were paid between $8 and $10 an hour, registered names of nonexistent people -- in one case, Paul Newman and James Taylor appeared on cards -- or simply filled out several cards for the same real voter, authorities said."

Partisan hackery much?

Did you read the article before pasting it? Or was there too much text there for it be read to you?


Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.

``We've been very aggressive about a lot of these cases,'' she said. ``But we would not have known about these workers unless ACORN brought it to us.


Do you understand that part?

Here is how things work: These people are hired, and paid, to bring in Voter registration cards. Now, when Acorn gets them, they know they are fake, so they flag them as such, but they are required to turn them in. The voter registration board looks at them, goes "yep, fake, thanks for telling us." The people who turned in the people were ACORN themselves.

Partisan hackery much?

If ACORN knew that the people were committing fraud; why did they allow it to continue?
How did ACORN know they were false. Are they doing the checking.

If the voter registration board starts to trust what ACORN is delivering, they may not check the others themselves. Now what can get by.

Remember that Miami-Dade is the home of the registered dead - the board looks the other way.


When so many frauds come in, it should indicate an problem with the system.

Because anyone with a quarter of a braincell knows that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck aren't voting that year.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ryan this is a party neutral issue because its about right and wrong, something not exclusive to either party. I lambasted the reps when they did wrong which "made" me a liberal, and now when I do the same today I'm one of those conservatives. Many are like me but many from the republican party seem to have forgotten they supported some of the same things and that's hypocritical. Nevertheless "well you weren't yelling back then" is about as lame a justification as you can get.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Ryan this is a party neutral issue because its about right and wrong, something not exclusive to either party. I lambasted the reps when they did wrong which "made" me a liberal, and now when I do the same today I'm one of those conservatives. Many are like me but many from the republican party seem to have forgotten they supported some of the same things and that's hypocritical. Nevertheless "well you weren't yelling back then" is about as lame a justification as you can get.

Hayabusa,

If this is a "neutral issue", then:

Why did 75 Democrats and 0 Republicans vote against the measures to defund ACORN?

Why did ACORN endorse Obama?

I don't care about what kind of "hypocritical statements" Republicans supposedly made in the past. I wasn't one of them, mostly because I hadn't made many posts on Anandtech at all until the last election, and the few posts I did make were all tech related.

This is a Democrat thing, because ACORN is an activist wing of the Democrat party, (previously) funded by the tax payer's dollar ($5 billion in the "stimulus bill", plus other monies in the past).

I just call 'em as I see 'em.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Ryan this is a party neutral issue because its about right and wrong, something not exclusive to either party. I lambasted the reps when they did wrong which "made" me a liberal, and now when I do the same today I'm one of those conservatives. Many are like me but many from the republican party seem to have forgotten they supported some of the same things and that's hypocritical. Nevertheless "well you weren't yelling back then" is about as lame a justification as you can get.

Hayabusa,

If this is a "neutral issue", then:

Why did 75 Democrats and 0 Republicans vote against the measures to defund ACORN?

Why did ACORN endorse Obama?

I don't care about what kind of "hypocritical statements" Republicans supposedly made in the past. I wasn't one of them, mostly because I hadn't made many posts on Anandtech at all until the last election, and the few posts I did make were all tech related.

This is a Democrat thing, because ACORN is an activist wing of the Democrat party, (previously) funded by the tax payer's dollar ($5 billion in the "stimulus bill", plus other monies in the past).

I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Um, they supported ACORN before these videos came to be. I am sure many dems are removing their support now.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: spittledip


Um, they supported ACORN before these videos came to be. I am sure many dems are removing their support now.

The vote was less than 24 hours ago and yet 75 still supported them.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: spittledip


Um, they supported ACORN before these videos came to be. I am sure many dems are removing their support now.

The vote was less than 24 hours ago and yet 75 still supported them.

This has been mentioned multiple times in this thread alone, and yet the facts still elude some...

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Ryan this is a party neutral issue because its about right and wrong, something not exclusive to either party. I lambasted the reps when they did wrong which "made" me a liberal, and now when I do the same today I'm one of those conservatives. Many are like me but many from the republican party seem to have forgotten they supported some of the same things and that's hypocritical. Nevertheless "well you weren't yelling back then" is about as lame a justification as you can get.

Hayabusa,

If this is a "neutral issue", then:

Why did 75 Democrats and 0 Republicans vote against the measures to defund ACORN?

Why did ACORN endorse Obama?

I don't care about what kind of "hypocritical statements" Republicans supposedly made in the past. I wasn't one of them, mostly because I hadn't made many posts on Anandtech at all until the last election, and the few posts I did make were all tech related.

This is a Democrat thing, because ACORN is an activist wing of the Democrat party, (previously) funded by the tax payer's dollar ($5 billion in the "stimulus bill", plus other monies in the past).

I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Um, they supported ACORN before these videos came to be. I am sure many dems are removing their support now.

So, you admit that this was a Democrat activist group, and when it became politically dangerous to support them, the Democrats threw ACORN under the bus?

Thanks for proving my point? :laugh:

Is this another "I voted for the war in Iraq before I voted against it!"? Democrats being for something until it is politically expedient to be against it?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: spittledip


Um, they supported ACORN before these videos came to be. I am sure many dems are removing their support now.

The vote was less than 24 hours ago and yet 75 still supported them.

This has been mentioned multiple times in this thread alone, and yet the facts still elude some...

Like yourself? I notice you haven't made any follow up comments after being shown you were lying. I'd be surprised, but anyone who's seen your posts will know why I'm not.

 

[Shallok]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

This is a Democrat thing, because ACORN is an activist wing of the Democrat party, (previously) funded by the tax payer's dollar ($5 billion in the "stimulus bill", plus other monies in the past).

I just call 'em as I see 'em.

ACORN did not receive 5 billion in the stimulus bill.