About Chinese 1st astronaut~~~~

[gopunk]

define independent then?

look it up

you should've said "that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? always my ass."

either word makes the statement false (independant or always), so i don't see why i should have said that.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: bolido2000

Originally posted by: Shelly21

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: j@cko
Taiwan has always been independent. End of discussion.

that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? independent my ass.

Well, PRC in its current form has NEVER owned Taiwan. After WWII it was "Liberated" and "given" to ROC. It has been more Independent longer than PRC. The former leadership in ROC shot itself in the foot by insisting on a one China policy, it worked until the world sided with PRC.

Taiwan should be an Independent and a seperate state. PRC should try to get Mongolia back first, they have more legitimite claim to that than Taiwan.

I bet you didn't know the president of Taiwan was just recently in the USA. China used to get mad at USA for even allowing a "former" leader of ROC to visit USA. I guess they got over it.

He was in USA as a tourist. He didn't have any political status when visiting. No US officials could meet with him.
I agree that Taiwan is still part of the nationalist and that China never "owned" Taiwan. If that's the case it only means the war is not over and China could invade Taiwan to close the chapter of all this dispute. I just hope Taiwan doesn't declare indep or I'm pretty sure war will begin.
Oh, and no.. I don't think the US will defend Taiwan and go on an all out war with China. US already told Taiwan that it doesn't want them to declare independence, but to mantain the status quo.

I believe he met with several congress members privately.

Technically, the war is not over, and China could very well invade Taiwan and even if US wants to get involved, they can't send a ship there in time. Taiwan should not declare Independence until the leaders in China changes to a more moderate state. (perhaps they would collapse like USSR did? one can only hope).

It was Nixon who visited China and Carter who recognized China and sever ties with Taiwan. They could've worked out a deal to make 2 independent states, but back then, I don't think the Nationalist in Taiwan would go for it. could've, should've.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: bolido2000

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: j@cko
Taiwan has always been independent. End of discussion.

that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? independent my ass.

define independent then?

you should've said "that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? always my ass."

Taiwan is as independent as China. People in Taiwan even elect their own leaders.

LOL...only a handful of countries recognize Taiwan instead of China. No UN representation. and they compete by the name of what?...Taipei in the olympics...oh and they cannot even use the kuomintang flag. Yeah...taiwan is as independent as china. The only way to determine who is the "real" China is a war to close the chapter. Taiwan would be destroyed regardless of anything.

You are right. Kuomingtang should've been eject back to mainland. There's only one China. and there's only one Taiwan.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: gopunk

define independent then?

look it up

you should've said "that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? always my ass."

either word makes the statement false (independant or always), so i don't see why i should have said that.

Last time I checked, they have their own currency, they elect their own leaders, they have their own army, even freedom of speech (without being crushed by a tank)... that's very "independant" in my book.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: fyleow
English motherfvcker, do you speak it?

Do you read it? :|

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
If China and the U.S. decided to start a race right now, the objective being to land a man on the moon, quite frankly I suspect China would win.

I don't think so.

All NASA has to do is dust off the plans for the Saturn V or install some extra fuel tanks in the space shuttle's payload bay.

In any event I am sure that NASA could dig up one or two people that remember how we did it before.

Actually, the majority of them have died. The U.S. is incapable of getting to the moon at this point, and to gear things back up to the way they were would give the Chinese more than enough time to catch up.

The only way China could beat us if we started today is if the following things happen:

1. Asteroids hit Cape Canaveral, Vandenburg AFB, and a few other sites wiping them out.

2. Every major aerospace firm in the us burns to the ground simultaneously, resulting in a complete loss of all R&D of the last 50 years.

3. The space shuttles vanish from their hangers.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Don't bet on it. The people still alive from the earlier projects are the ones saying we could not get to the moon before China.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Don't bet on it. The people still alive from the earlier projects are the ones saying we could not get to the moon before China.

Unlimited amounts of cash make difficult things easier to achieve.

Edit: Of course we could just wear some t-shirts with "Been there, done that" stenciled on to their landing party>

 

[iwearnosox]

This is a fantastic advance, I hear the space station now has chinese food menus on hand for the next launch.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Don't bet on it. The people still alive from the earlier projects are the ones saying we could not get to the moon before China.

Unlimited amounts of cash make difficult things easier to achieve.

Edit: Of course we could just wear some t-shirts with "Been there, done that" stenciled on to their landing party>

Too bad NASA doesn't have that cash you're dreaming of.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Don't bet on it. The people still alive from the earlier projects are the ones saying we could not get to the moon before China.

Unlimited amounts of cash make difficult things easier to achieve.

Edit: Of course we could just wear some t-shirts with "Been there, done that" stenciled on to their landing party>

Too bad NASA doesn't have that cash you're dreaming of.

If the American public wanted the US government to do it Congress would approve the expenditure.

I think that if NASA shelved every other project for a few years they could do it anyway.

I was arguing the point of technical ability.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. I begin to see why people from other countries get so annoyed with U.S. citizens, who insist that, "Well, with good ol' American know how, we can do anything!" despite having no knowledge of the subject at hand other than what they are spoon-fed by the media, and generally not having the brains needed to do independent research into the subject. Believe what you wish, but I suspect the Chinese will have a lunar colony up and running before the people of the U.S. quit watching reality television, get off their fat arses, and get back to the moon to stand up the American flag that was knocked into the dust when the recovery vehicle lifted off.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: gopunk

define independent then?

look it up

you should've said "that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? always my ass."

either word makes the statement false (independant or always), so i don't see why i should have said that.

Last time I checked, they have their own currency, they elect their own leaders, they have their own army, even freedom of speech (without being crushed by a tank)... that's very "independant" in my book.

you should re-read the original post. he said "always independant". there were clearly not always independant. i don't see a problem here.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I wouldn't look it things that way. I'd say they just had more important priorities. Like running over defenseless students for example. Some things just take priority.

Daaaaaaaaaamn! That was cold! :Q

I nominate that for "Dis of the Year"

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. I begin to see why people from other countries get so annoyed with U.S. citizens, who insist that, "Well, with good ol' American know how, we can do anything!" despite having no knowledge of the subject at hand other than what they are spoon-fed by the media, and generally not having the brains needed to do independent research into the subject. Believe what you wish, but I suspect the Chinese will have a lunar colony up and running before the people of the U.S. quit watching reality television, get off their fat arses, and get back to the moon to stand up the American flag that was knocked into the dust when the recovery vehicle lifted off.

sigh....

I never said that the US is the best at every single thing under the sun. We have had many great successes and some spectacular failures. You are avoiding the issue by attacking the US in the style that is so popular right now.

I merely stated that it would not be impossible to accomplish (technologically) something that we have done before in a reasonably short timeframe.

 

[UCSDHappyAsian]

well.. US holds the best technology for sure..........

 

[UCSDHappyAsian]

come on.... do not stop the thread.... this topic is very significant

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
If China and the U.S. decided to start a race right now, the objective being to land a man on the moon, quite frankly I suspect China would win.

I don't think so.

All NASA has to do is dust off the plans for the Saturn V or install some extra fuel tanks in the space shuttle's payload bay.

In any event I am sure that NASA could dig up one or two people that remember how we did it before.

I thought the blueprints for the Saturn V were destroyed. Some sort of agreement when building the shuttles?

Edit: I thought wrong

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: gopunk

define independent then?

look it up

you should've said "that's not true at all, ever wonder where it got the name "formosa"? always my ass."

either word makes the statement false (independant or always), so i don't see why i should have said that.

Last time I checked, they have their own currency, they elect their own leaders, they have their own army, even freedom of speech (without being crushed by a tank)... that's very "independant" in my book.

you should re-read the original post. he said "always independant". there were clearly not always independant. i don't see a problem here.

Right, I agree with that... Just like China were clearly not always independant? You can said that about almost every nation then. USA was not "always independant" until the revolution too. so what?

My point is when you stated that "either word" would make the statement false, that's an incorrect statement.

Why sugar coat the truth? Taiwan is an independant nation now. What makes them not?
Do they have their own passport? Yes, just like China.
Do they have diplomats in another country? Yes, just like China.
Do they have have religious freedom? Yes, just like.. oh wait.

This is a non issue. Until China invades Taiwan, they're still independant in my book.

 

[Imdmn04]

Taiwan is independent in practice, but not independent officially, and probably never will get the official recognition from anybody, because nobody wants to fvck up their relations with China.

U.S. dont want taiwan to declare independence, that would mean war, which U.S. should help out by obligations, but would not in practice because that would cost way too much, in terms of monetary values and lives.

but U.S. doesnt really want China stomping their foot in Taiwan either, that would mean war too. it is in the best interest of U.S. to keep a status quo on things.

so the current situation works relatively well for both sides plus for the U.S. unless one side does something suicidal like Taiwan decalring independence or China invading Taiwan.

 

[Richdog]

Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
i m personally a taiwanese... and i was suppose to feel happy for china since they are the third nation sending their astronaut to the outer space....
for some reasons.. .i think its pathetic..... cause the US sent someone to Moon on 1969, and China sent the first guy to orbit the earth 18 times and return to the earth immediately after lkike 20 something hours....
in my opinion, it did not symbolize anything except the fact that chinese technology is more than 35-55 years behind the US technnology~~~~

Am i doing the calculation right? or i should not look at this event that way?!?!?!

Use your brain. It's obviously a sign that technology and economy is progressing in China, and shows that the country is advancing to a state where it can compete with all the other major countries. Going into space doesnt involve small amounts of money or resources. I'm happy for them.:beer:

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
yep yep.. thanx for those valuable comments.. however.. i was just wondering if Chinese government can work with NASA about the mission to Mars... instead of sending one man to orbit the earth... hehe.. its much significant that way...
just a thought...

Like the US government will ever cooperate with a Communist government.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Taiwan is independent in practice, but not independent officially, and probably never will get the official recognition from anybody, because nobody wants to fvck up their relations with China.

U.S. dont want taiwan to declare independence, that would mean war, which U.S. should help out by obligations, but would not in practice because that would cost way too much, in terms of monetary values and lives.

but U.S. doesnt really want China stomping their foot in Taiwan either, that would mean war too. it is in the best interest of U.S. to keep a status quo on things.

so the current situation works relatively well for both sides plus for the U.S. unless one side does something suicidal like Taiwan decalring independence or China invading Taiwan.

Taiwanese aint stupid either, they know it'll only take China a couple of weeks to crush them and take over the island. All these so called independent movement are just good for national pride, but if ever put into practice, heh, I can't wait to see the 1st Chinese tanks rolling over Taipei

Honestly, I doubt the US will do anything if China invades Taiwan. There's no justifiable gain to get involve in a full blown war against a country that you know can definitely hurt you pretty bad.

 

[nCred]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
If China and the U.S. decided to start a race right now, the objective being to land a man on the moon, quite frankly I suspect China would win.

I suspect not.

 

[lsman]

Just happen to sit in front of the TV a few days ago (very busy laterly) and watch a news program on Jworldtv (kinda like 20/20, 60min+), they run a serial about the Chinese 1st man on space. Catch only one, here is the info i got:

1. Its actually the 2nd program that China start.
2. The first one was in the period when the period "4 men party" ruling to the end (around 1970). All are ready to launch the rocket. But there is a sudden accident in the air. (the air crash of Lin Biao) halt the program. And its not restart till now.
3. The first program was not wildly known to public because... 1. its the Chinese com party! 2. The leaders said:"The Jet ass is burning the peoples' blood and sweat (refer to money) ". As always, politic turnoil is over other and so the program was stopped.
4. The TV news program met with a few orginal astronaut-to-be and trainer (in older age) and tells the story how they travel to soviet and trained by them (fly really high and train in the near weightless). They were all jet pliot (same as this time around) becuase they are easily to start with.
5. Show one fail to pass as astronaut because he fail the "G-Force machine" in just a few seconds.

So basically China had the tech before. (i guess 30+ years ago. Someone know more history tell me) Guess it think its the right time to do it now.

(Edit for date and name)