About Chinese 1st astronaut~~~~

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Through constant political pressure and heavy international lobbying, PRC has blocked Taiwan from having official diplomatic ties with almost every country in the world. If a country wants to do business with PRC, it must denounce Taiwan and remove it's embassy. The PRC is blocking Taiwan from having a seat in the United Nations, and prevents the Taiwanese from even the right to fly their own flag in the Olympic Games. The PRC wants to take over Taiwan, and is claiming that the recent example of Hong Kong will set the stage for eventual "reunification". The Taiwanese have never once been a part of the PRC and there is little interest among the Taiwanese in joining the communist Mainland.

I've been to Hong Kong before and after the takeover, and the difference is night and day. I will not set foot in PRC again until the communist party goes away. I'll continue to visit Japan, Taiwan and Korea in the future.

There are several different opinions among the Taiwanese as to what to to with this question. Some feel that Taiwan belongs to the Taiwanese and that they should declare themselves as an independent country, completely separate from PRC. Others are of the opinion that reunification might be acceptable only if PRC was a truly democratic society. Still others would like to see Taiwan as part of China at any cost. By charter of the United Nations, the people of Taiwan are entitled to decide for themselves what their final outcome will be.

I believe that Taiwan should be recognized internationally as an independent state from the PRC. The government on Taiwan is a multi party democracy, with freedoms of press, speech, religion, enterprise, and so on. This government represents 23 million people. There are much smaller nations with representations in the U.N. and official embassies from world powers such as France, Germany, the United States, and others. But most importantly, again, never in it's history has Taiwan ever been a part of the political entity known as the PRC. Most of the countries around the world have buckled to pressure from the PRC to shift recognition of "China" from Taipei to Beijing. This appeasement to an aggressive and intimidating government at the expense of the Taiwanese is wrong.

Both countries should be recognized equally as two independent states at this time. Taiwan should be recognized as a part of the People's Republic of China if, and only if, Taiwan decides to become so. Otherwise, Taiwan is an independent state and both countries deserve U.N. and international recognition.
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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many of you pointed out a lot good points about China's current policy.... yep..... and politics are jokes to me in many ways now
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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but... about the astronaut, some people mention that in the Space Race, China ranked the third.. however... i strongly believe that many countries... for instance, Japan and Germany. They do have the technology also, it's just not necessary to send astronaut to outer space for them.... my point is that is it necessary for china to send an astronaut? or should they kick back until they make sure its people do not suffer from hunger~
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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We have already spend a lot of our resource on the Space.. more than trillions of dollars.....
is it necessary though?
i meant.. spend some money on the space projects is fine... but spend a big deal to compete in the Space Race is somewhat pointless to me!
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
We have already spend a lot of our resource on the Space.. more than trillions of dollars.....
is it necessary though?
i meant.. spend some money on the space projects is fine... but spend a big deal to compete in the Space Race is somewhat pointless to me!

space exploration may lead to new technology that may benefit in the future. also, they have to start somewhere right? In your case, perhaps these 3 countries are the only ones that will ever go to space. Any other attempt will only prove their inferiority.

should you just stop pursuing something if you are not the first?

anyway, even if you do not view this as having a positive affect on china, i really dont see how it could be bad. i personally think a country being one of the three in the entire world to do something like this is a great achievement.
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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I understand your point of view and agree with you on most part.
The US has a whole set of plans in the future, one after another, on its space projects. The US is the leading country and, it has a very rich government and well-developed society to back up the space project. Its not the case for China. With that kind of money, Chinese government should build more schools, so every teenager gets to go to a public high school.........
The reason i kept on writing on this topic is because i m doing a presentation on this event :)
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
I understand your point of view and agree with you on most part.
The US has a whole set of plans in the future, one after another, on its space projects. The US is the leading country and, it has a very rich government and well-developed society to back up the space project. Its not the case for China. With that kind of money, Chinese government should build more schools, so every teenager gets to go to a public high school.........
The reason i kept on writing on this topic is because i m doing a presentation on this event :)

i can understand your opinion on budget priorities. since i do not live in china (probably will move to shanghai in a few years though) i really have no opinion on it (or rather, have the right to). living in the US, im very happy to see the chinese govn't sending a man to space. But yes, while the cities in china are incredibly advanced, funding could have benefitted the country in a different perspective (as you said).

what i mean to say, is that this accomplishment if not improves china, it in no way DEGRADES china (how could it?), like many people are claiming- but may have been sacraficed to help another aspect of the country.

On another note, i dont understand why the chinese keep on pouring millions and billions continually into their major metropolitan areas like beijing, shanghai, kunming, chongqing, nanjing etc.... have you guys seen those places?! They are absolutely amazingly dense with fancy skyscrapers, facilities, housing etc. then you see rural areas recieve little benefit that hardly have electricty.
 

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oh and btw, whoever it was that posted before still thinking that the chinese government is still a pre-70s communist state, i dont know what you're smoking.

http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/031027094156.vfcz4pvk

not to mention china just topped the #1 spot knocking off france (#1 for what? 4 years or something?) in the wto for the top tourist country this year. for some reason that doesnt sound too typical of a dangerous country.
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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true.... of course its different.... even the leader admitted that Chinese communism has evolved to a combination of socialism and capitalism.

well.... i am going to HK during Xmas... and hopefully take a flight to Shanghai and spend a few nights there.... heard too many friends' fantacies... and i seriously think its about time to experience mah MANHOOD~~

Anyways~~ guys i need more opinions on this issue~~~ In "CON's" voice... cause i already have enough "PRO's" voice..
THANX~~
 

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Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
i m personally a taiwanese... and i was suppose to feel happy for china since they are the third nation sending their astronaut to the outer space....
for some reasons.. .i think its pathetic..... cause the US sent someone to Moon on 1969, and China sent the first guy to orbit the earth 18 times and return to the earth immediately after lkike 20 something hours....
in my opinion, it did not symbolize anything except the fact that chinese technology is more than 35-55 years behind the US technnology~~~~

Am i doing the calculation right? or i should not look at this event that way?!?!?!

the US's first manned space program was the Mercury Program, followed by Gemini and Apollo.

The first Mercury flight was, i think, only a few hours long. Within two decades, we were on the moon. It might have been within one decade, I can't remember.

But, make no mistake, China's tech is far beyond the Mercury program's tech, just for the simple fact that computers these days aren't the size of an office building. China's capsule probably has the same computing power onboard that the entire mission control in Houston did.

I think it will be great if China goes to the moon, which is their ultimate goal.

I know I will be following any mission they send.
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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wow~ very valuable info~~ thanx thanx...


about sending men to moon..... i would rather Chinese government pass the moon and goin straight ahead toward the MARS~~~

hehe...then chinese can be the first one to the MARS~~~
 

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People will bash countries like China, India, Brazil, etc. for having space programs. They say that the money spent would be better off making people less poor, etc. What they fail to realize is that having these space & military programs keeps the brainpower at home which will help the country. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually overemploy people in these programs.
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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well... your comment was valuable... but considering all those money... they can build a lot more public high school.... plenty of kids stop their education after the middle school in China............ about brainstorm... there is a lot more to get to it... Japan has one of the leading technology.. and it has no interests in space exploration....
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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Hopefully i can get more feedbacks on this topics... presentation tomo... i need more negative opinions on this subject........ i have more than enough positive thoughts already~~~
THANX THANX~~~~
 

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Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
wow~ very valuable info~~ thanx thanx...


about sending men to moon..... i would rather Chinese government pass the moon and goin straight ahead toward the MARS~~~

hehe...then chinese can be the first one to the MARS~~~


They have the tech to get to the moon, it has been around since the 70's.

But they would never get a man to mars and back. The distance is astronomically greater. As is the gravity, you couldn't just float a landing module down, fire the boosters and the last second, and then blast off with a little rocket to go home, you would have to carry a liquid-fueled rocket (or solid, but you can turn a liquid rocket on and off at need) all the way to mars, land it without the slightest slip-up lest it be damaged or just detonate on the spot (either way your astronauts are dead) and then have a large enough rocket on your ship to return to earth.

Due to the orbits, the astronauts would need a VERY prolonged stay, and the supplies (mostly the oxygen) to keep them up would require a VAST ship to be carried in, which requires ever larger rockets, etc.etc.

Namely, the 27 story or so Saturn V would pale in comparison to what you need.

You could orbit it bit by bit and assemble it in space, maybe even add ion thrusters to allow it to fly under continous thurst halfway there, and then reverse it for the other half, thus saving big on fuel, but the tech has never been used outside of the odd probe or two, and again, the time required could easily range up to a year. After 6-months in zero-g on the way there, mars's gravity would overpower the astronaut, and after a year, earth's might kill the astronaut.

Granted, you could use a rotating section to simulate gravity for exercise, but that tech is beyond even the grasp of the USA.

I don't forsee a manned mars mission soon.
 

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Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
well... your comment was valuable... but considering all those money... they can build a lot more public high school.... plenty of kids stop their education after the middle school in China............ about brainstorm... there is a lot more to get to it... Japan has one of the leading technology.. and it has no interests in space exploration....

Japan does have a space agency.

Usually if you spend a lot on military/space, you are a leading technological innovator.
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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i started to love AnandTech more and more~~
the comments i received from our users are VERY VALUABLE~~~
Thanx... i seriously need it for the presentation.... its suppose to be tomo... but i think instructor would delayed until Dec-02 it really depends on our progress..........
anyways..... THANX ALOT~~~~ all these info u guys provided me are priceless~~
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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about Japan having space agency...
hmm.....
i know Japanese are very into Satellite and related industries or business......
i dont think they wanted to send a man to outer space... even if they do... they couldve done it long time ago.......
if i remember correctly.... before Japanese Econ went burst.... it was bout 8-10 years ago..... Japanese Buying Power 10 years ago was equivalent to where we, the US, are right now... despite the fact that they are doin pretty bad still... not fully recovered...

mah point here was Japan is a strong power... but it decided not too waste too much money unless necessary...
on the other hand.. china is not a super power yet... and we are sure within a few decades it will become a super power..... isnt it a better idea for them to invest that kinda money when the government is that rich to afford it????

there is an old chinese sayin..." Hit your face hard until it gets swallen, and pretend that you are fat and always eat very well."
swallen(== maybe mis-spelled.
anyways.. it means some people they just love to pretend to be something they are not truly affordable to be~~

any thoughts?
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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i think i will need more thoughts....
ppl from my classes all have wonderful presentations on their topics...
and i still think i need more facts and thoughts about this issue....
the astronaut, of course...
thoughts about their Space Programs, Social Problems... etc