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A Racist Finds Cover For His Racism Post Trump Election

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Blue_Max said:
Nice try. (Actually no... but moving on...)
I'm not inflicting anything on anyone, or forcing anyone to do anything.
Not religion, not ideology, not roles or rules.

You are.

So who's closer to fascism?
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you, without a doubt are closer to fascist ideology. zero doubt at all in that statement.
 
sxr7171 said:
One of the best pieces of advice ever given to me was to pick one's battles.

When certain races were being oppressed and asked to sit where whites could that warranted a movement. One of the greatest in the world. I do think black people still do suffer from oppression in the fact that they have laws disproportionately enforced on them and also they are disproportionately incarcerated. That is worth fighting over.

This baby stuff is not.

The crux of the issue comes to what would make her happy. I'm afraid that nothing short of keeping men for breeding as we do with bulls and cows would appease her. Outside of that perhaps mind control or speech control.

These are rich privileged kids just voicing out. That's what gets people who have real economic suffering upset when they see such rich kids still bitching about being "oppressed".

This issue really cannot be solved until all men are slaughtered and the few are kept for breeding.
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When the boss talks about too many asian leads and illegal looking ones, remember to nod along and keep your head down, and soon enough you too can be one of the good ones passing that advice along.

kage69 said:
Nah, Hitler was persuasive to people. Your posts are more on the counter productive side.

We shouldn't have to address ethnic cleansing unless fascists become the overwhelming majority and are touched off by a calamity, if history is any indication.
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Look around the world and see what happens when fascism gets its foot in the door.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
you, without a doubt are closer to fascist ideology. zero doubt at all in that statement.
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You'll have to understand the situation at hand. See, people like blue_max don't really understand concepts. To him, fascism is just a bad word you don't want to be associated with, like "stupid". So when someone consider him a fascist or stupid, he thinks it's the same thing if he consider them a fascist or stupid right back. That's why everything and anything about reality that casts him in a poor light is just name-calling in his mind. There's no notion of concepts connecting things going on upstairs in this head, it's just word association.

Thus trying to convey any sort of cohesive argument to that level of mental capacity is just an exercise in futility.
 
Blue_Max said:
Yes. And isn't it nice that they already have them?
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yea, and if there's a coherent, logical, factual argument against that, you'll dismiss it out of hand, won't you?
Hmmm there's something VERY familiar about this map... can't quite put my finger on it tho
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Starbuck1975 said:
My grandparents immigrated to this country with nothing. Many of their fellow countrymen had last names involuntarily "Americanized" on Ellis Island. Others changed theirs voluntarily to try to blend in. The immigration waves prior to theirs called them derogatory names. They were the wrong flavor of Christianity. They smelled funny as did their cooking. They were greasy. Criminals!!! They were European but weren't considered "white", at least not initially. Their women were whores for pumping out large families. They watched as America slowly assimilated their cuisine, culture and language. They abandoned their native tongue and aggressively sought the American dream.

Popular culture depicted their culture as criminals and lords of the underworld and later as stereotypical musclehead eurotrash. In many cities, the primarily Irish local authorities and in some cases even the FBI profiled their communities.

And they never bitched about any of it. Never needed a safe space. Never felt triggered.

They fought with blood and sweat and a cultural pride and stubborness, and when necessary their bare knuckles. They fought in wars for their adopted nation. They wouldn't trade any of it for the privilege to be an American.

I am sure your response to all of this will be a dismissive mention of "white privilege". That would be unfortunate. I have a tremendous respect for any immigrant. This nation was built by immigrants. Part of the problem is that current waves, rather than being given the opportunity to join the melting pot, are instead being sold a false message of victimhood.
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You are mixing personal virtues with structural vices. Is it virtuous for individuals to overcome adversities? Sure. Does it make the structural vices any less vicious? No. Furthermore, what makes you believe the current immigrants are not pursuing American Dream? Are you really confident that there was no whiner among your grandparents' peers?
 
lopri said:
You are mixing personal virtues with structural vices. Is it virtuous for individuals to overcome adversities? Sure. Does it make the structural vices any less vicious? No. Furthermore, what makes you believe the current immigrants are not pursuing American Dream? Are you really confident that there was no whiner among your grandparents' peers?
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My story is not unique so it goes beyond personal virtue. There were many whiners among my grandparents generation. You saw their offspring on the show Jersey Shore and Teen Mom. They've not progressed.

I also know and respect many current wave immigrants whose story is not unlike mine.

It doesn't make me a racist to agree we need to reform immigration with a solution other than blanket amnesty. It doesn't make me a xenophobe to agree that global trade perhaps wasn't the best deal for the American working class.
 
Hard-lining against immigration does not make you a racist, I agree. If that were the case Trump would have had to shut up about immigration long time ago. There is nevertheless an overlap between the two positions which complicate things, and Trump has been happily exploiting the sentiments, pitting citizens against each other (and duping both).
 
Starbuck1975 said:
My story is not unique so it goes beyond personal virtue. There were many whiners among my grandparents generation. You saw their offspring on the show Jersey Shore and Teen Mom. They've not progressed.

I also know and respect many current wave immigrants whose story is not unlike mine.
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The fundamental basis of conservatism is the notion that the past was glorious and we should at least keep the status quo if not wind back the clock. Regrettably our memory of how things were is selective.

Even though people back in the day had tough lives, I serious doubt they worked to improve themselves so their descendants can relive the experience.

It doesn't make me a racist to agree we need to reform immigration with a solution other than blanket amnesty. It doesn't make me a xenophobe to agree that global trade perhaps wasn't the best deal for the American working class.
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No it doesn't, but that has nothing to do with why trump & co are considered racist.

To illustrate, it's not racist/xenophobic for a wage slave to want a less competitive labor pool. That's just selfish.

If they want to achieve this by keeping out outsiders generally of lower social status, that's borderline depending on the details, with the US a risque case due to the history of ties between race and class.

If they're literally targeting ethnic outsiders of lowest status, labeling them rapists, and tying that into their own economic situation even if said group is hardly competing for their jobs, that's undeniably racist.
 
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agent00f said:
Look around the world and see what happens when fascism gets its foot in the door.
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If you took my comments as making little of fascism then you are mistaken; it was a reply to the context of his response, and maybe just a little bit of 'don't be absurd, no one is accusing you of organized ethnic cleansing.'

Been around the world more times than I care to count, no vision issues here.
 
lopri said:
Hard-lining against immigration does not make you a racist, I agree. If that were the case Trump would have had to shut up about immigration long time ago. There is nevertheless an overlap between the two positions which complicate things, and Trump has been happily exploiting the sentiments, pitting citizens against each other (and duping both).
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Hardlining against Muslim refugees does make one a racist. It's one thing to say we only want people here legally. It's racist to allow no legal paths for people of color in other countries who want to come here
 
jman19 said:
Stay classy:

http://www.vice.com/read/brooklyns-...andalized-by-swastikas-and-pro-trump-graffiti
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Yeah, because neo nazi thugs are going to go into the heart of Brooklyn and do that. Have you even been to Brooklyn?

Ohh, and they are also going to forget how to make a swastika.

Can you prove this was a Trump supporter? In NYC? One that doesn't "get" that his daughter is Jewish and that he is besties with Bibi?

LOL, you guys are so fucking gullible. That or you know its fake and are playing along to froth more.
 
I want to ask a couple of question for those who insist that there is no bigoted element in Trump's campaign rhetoric and proposals, such as "Mexicans are rapists," and "Muslim registry." What do you think of the Japanese American internment camp during World War II, where the U.S. government rounded up Americans of Japanese ancestry by force and incarcerated them removed from the general population? It was a result of a mass public backlash against Japanese Americans in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor. See Wiki.

A legal case arose where a Japanese American sued the government and the case eventually went onto the SCOTUS, where it decided for the government in favor of constitutionality of the internment camp. See Wiki. Until Trump came along the case was considered Dred Scott II and I believe it still is, but I have heard a couple of Trump supporters on TV citing the case as precedent that justifies Trump's plans for Mexicans, Muslims, and whoever else, if push comes to shove. It was an unimaginable thought just a short while ago but I am no longer sure where the consensus lies. My questions are:

1) Was racism a factor in setting up the Japanese American internment camp during World War II?
2) Regardless of the answer to 1), do you think such an institution can be resurrected in the United States in the next 30 years or so?

I do not know if there are right answers to either question so take them as an opinion poll.
 
LegendKiller said:
Yeah, because neo nazi thugs are going to go into the heart of Brooklyn and do that. Have you even been to Brooklyn?

Ohh, and they are also going to forget how to make a swastika.

Can you prove this was a Trump supporter? In NYC? One that doesn't "get" that his daughter is Jewish and that he is besties with Bibi?

LOL, you guys are so fucking gullible. That or you know its fake and are playing along to froth more.
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I live 15 minutes to Brooklyn by car without traffic. I know this may be news to you but NYC is not only the greatest city in the United States, but it's also the most populated. By a large margin. The population is near 9 million. There are people that live here that have come from every state in the nation, including regressive red states. And even if only 20-25% of New Yorkers were Trump supporters, based upon election results, that's still a 2+ million strong general basket of deplorables.

That's a 2+ million pool of suspects. Now if you don't think that within those 2+ million folks there aren't a number of the hardcore racists and scum that Trump has empowered with his rhetoric, then you are a fool. You talk like such a naive uneducated fool. I think that you think that NYC is big, but you really have no fucking clue how big. Because it's liberal NYC it can't be.

Too bad you can't do simple fucking math aka a 2+ million pool of deplorables. The odds are quite high that a sizable number of them, emboldened by a Trump victory, decided to express themselves. It's happening in smaller areas of the country, where the population numbers aren't nearly as high. There are 16 states with a population smaller than just over 2 million.

It can easily happen in Brooklyn.
 
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LegendKiller said:
Ohh, and they are also going to forget how to make a swastika.
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You're saying neo-nazis are... really focused? Smart? What quality do you attribute to them that endows them with knowing how to make a swastika exactly?

And how do you know this about them?


Methinks he doth protest too much. Though that's just taking after dear leader.

Oh, you're cool with us calling Trump dear leader like your lot did with Obama, right? Cool.
 
PixelSquish said:
I live 15 minutes to Brooklyn by car without traffic. I know this may be news to you but NYC is not only the greatest city in the United States, but it's also the most populated. By a large margin. The population is near 9 million. There are people that live here that have come from every state in the nation, including regressive red states. And even if only 20-25% of New Yorkers were Trump supporters, based upon election results, that's still a 2+ million strong general basket of deplorables.

That's a 2+ million pool of suspects. Now if you don't think that within those 2+ million folks there aren't a number of the hardcore racists and scum that Trump has empowered with his rhetoric, then you are a fool. You talk like such a naive uneducated fool. I think that you think that NYC is big, but you really have no fucking clue how big. Because it's liberal NYC it can't be.

Too bad you can't do simple fucking math aka a 2+ million pool of deplorables. The odds are quite high that a sizable number of them, emboldened by a Trump victory, decided to express themselves. It's happening in smaller areas of the country, where the population numbers aren't nearly as high. There are 16 states with a population smaller than just over 2 million.

It can easily happen in Brooklyn.
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It may be a shock to you, but I live in nyc area. So yeah.

Only a dumbass would believe this was a trump supporter. False flag.
 
jackstar7 said:
You're saying neo-nazis are... really focused? Smart? What quality do you attribute to them that endows them with knowing how to make a swastika exactly?

And how do you know this about them?


Methinks he doth protest too much. Though that's just taking after dear leader.

Oh, you're cool with us calling Trump dear leader like your lot did with Obama, right? Cool.
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No, but then again, would they mess up their symbol like that? Would they even bother? Why would they even bother?


On the other hand, a lefty trying to cause problems for trump supporters and frame them as anti semitic has plenty of motivation.
 
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LegendKiller said:
No, but then again, would they mess up their symbol like that? Would they even bother? Why would they even bother?

On the other hand, a lefty trying to cause problems for teump supporters and frame them as anti semitic has plenty of motivation.
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Let's not pretend you & friends wouldn't be first in line to help register undesirable minorities for the cause.
 
LegendKiller said:
No, but then again, would they mess up their symbol like that? Would they even bother? Why would they even bother?

On the other hand, a lefty trying to cause problems for trump supporters and frame them as anti semitic has plenty of motivation.
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Motivation to get it wrong?

Your logic doesn't even exist.

This is low, even for you. You can disavow the people who did this, but instead you say it can't be from your group... because no true nazi would be so careless?

Be ashamed over this. Feel that which you earned either for your stupidity or your defense of the indefensible.
 
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