A case for religion, and against AA.

[soulcougher73]

Yeah, a common accusation when you cant refute what I said. Its the same as "you don't understand the bible" when your ilk criticize something in it.

Same thing.

Secondly, sherlock, I wasn't criticising science...just the method in which evolution-only education is forced on kids.

Try reading a bit more carefully.

You mean the fact based sciene they teach in science classes? Oh the horror. Sorry if facts dont like up with your beliefs. Do you have any other fact based science youd like taught in science classes instead?

 

[sandorski]

Lol, like you're going to admit it anyway.

AS soulcaugher eloquently put it earlier in the thread, retarded people don't know they're retarded.

Sometimes those of us on the outside have to point it out to you.

Start anytime....

 

[SlowSpyder]

Here is how I see atheist thinking:

1.There is no God.
2.Miracles are the supernatural work of God.
3.Therefore, miracles are impossible.
4.The Bible contains reports of miracles.
5.Therefore, the Bible contains legendary material or historical misrepresentations.
6.Therefore, the Bible cannot be trusted.
7.Therefore, there is no evidence for God.
8.Therefore, there is no God.


Circular reasoning.

So lets stop with that nonsense and get back to a discussion without using such irrationality.

I've already said I'd be very open to believing, I just need to see extraordinary evidence for these claims (extraordinary compared to our normal day to day life... something like the faithful praying a mountain into the sea, as the bible says you can do. Or somebody praying for someone who lost a limb and it grows back (kind of odd how all the medical miracles are always for something that has a chance of improving anyway)) to believe, but all we have is an old book full of inaccuracies at best, lies at worst.

I am not stuck on my position being right. I don't try and warp reality to my beliefs (or lack of beliefs), that is the difference. The faithful christian 'knows' his god is the right one, that jesus is the divine son of god and a miracle worker, etc. The burden is on christians to show they are right, that their religion is right and there is in fact a divine god. Until then christianity is just another fairy tale, just a more popular one around this part of the world then other fairy tales in other parts of the world.

 

[JD50]

Lol, like you're going to admit it anyway.

AS soulcaugher eloquently put it earlier in the thread, retarded people don't know they're retarded.

Sometimes those of us on the outside have to point it out to you.

Sandorski already addressed that nonsense, of course you side stepped it.

 

[dphantom]

http://carm.org/response-answers-atheist

 

[JD50]

What is the point of participating in this forum if you're just going to copy and paste stuff from other websites, or even worse, just provide a link to the website without any original thoughts of your own?

Edit - Wow, that website is absurd. Men and Dinosaurs lived together? This is where you get your information? This explains a lot.

They also seem to believe that Noah's ark was real and there was actually a worldwide flood...

 

[Retro Rob]

What is the point of participating in this forum if you're just going to copy and paste stuff from other websites, or even worse, just provide a link to the website without any original thoughts of your own?

Edit - Wow, that website is absurd. Men and Dinosaurs lived together? This is where you get your information? This explains a lot.

What I gathered from that link is that it really shows that atheists responses are really rehearsed, as they all are exactly the same.

The things stated therein are almost what you and others say verbatim. They are actually resembling slogans than sincere objections.

 

[dphantom]

What is the point of participating in this forum if you're just going to copy and paste stuff from other websites, or even worse, just provide a link to the website without any original thoughts of your own?

Edit - Wow, that website is absurd. Men and Dinosaurs lived together? This is where you get your information? This explains a lot.

They also seem to believe that Noah's ark was real and there was actually a worldwide flood...

It was a quick way to show the fallacy in atheists arguments.

And no, it is not where I get my information from. Most of it comes from various scientific sources/journals/reports/books like hawking and others.

Oh, yes, The Bible also.

 

[sandorski]

What I gathered from that link is that it really shows that atheists responses are really rehearsed, as they all are exactly the same.

The things stated therein are almost what you and others say verbatim. They are actually resembling slogans than sincere objections.

2+2=4

Does that sound rehearsed?

 

[Retro Rob]

2+2=4

Does that sound rehearsed?

That's a true equation whereas "no evidence has EVER been present", isn't unless you are billions of years old, 13.5 billion, to be exact.

 

[soulcougher73]

That's a true equation whereas "no evidence has EVER been present", isn't unless you are billions of years old, 13.5 billion, to be exact.

You show me your god and ill show you my tooth fairy. Ready? Go!

My tooth fairy is real. It has been talked about for hundreds of years. They even have books about it.

 

[Retro Rob]

You show me your god and ill show you my tooth fairy. Ready? Go!

My tooth fairy is real. It has been talked about for hundreds of years. They even have books about it.

You show me your tooth fairy and I'll show you my God.

Ready? Go!

 

[sandorski]

That's a true equation whereas "no evidence has EVER been present", isn't unless you are billions of years old, 13.5 billion, to be exact.

So what are you saying, I simply missed it?

 

[JEDIYoda]

:thumbsup:

Here is how I see atheist thinking:

1.There is no God.
2.Miracles are the supernatural work of God.
3.Therefore, miracles are impossible.
4.The Bible contains reports of miracles.
5.Therefore, the Bible contains legendary material or historical misrepresentations.
6.Therefore, the Bible cannot be trusted.
7.Therefore, there is no evidence for God.
8.Therefore, there is no God.

Damn spot on with this.:thumbsup:

 

[JEDIYoda]

I understand that Genocide is evil. You seem unable to grasp that simple concept.

again call it what you will.....the Bible calls it something else......I am good with what the Bible calls it and the reasons therefore...

 

[sandorski]

again call it what you will.....the Bible calls it something else......I am good with what the Bible calls it and the reasons therefore...

Ya, that's why it is a disgusting Immoral book. Might as well be reading Mein Kampf.

 

[soulcougher73]

You show me your tooth fairy and I'll show you my God.

Ready? Go!

You still dont get it lol

I cant show you a myth dumbass cause it doesnt exist.

Way to be original by the way. :thumbsup:

 

[Retro Rob]

So what are you saying, I simply missed it?

2+2 is 4. This is a fact. We can verify this.

No evidence of God's existence has EVER ("ever" being the operative word here) been presented cannot be verified.

In other words, if you aren't personally familiar with every piece of evidence said to support the existence of God, then its a faith-based assumption that no evidence has ever been presented.

 

[sandorski]

2+2 is 4. This is a fact. We can verify this.

No evidence of God's existence has EVER ("ever" being the operative word here) been presented cannot be verified.

In other words, if you aren't personally familiar with every piece of evidence said to support the existence of God, then its a faith-based assumption that no evidence has ever been presented.

Fair enough, but why isn't there Evidence?

 

[Retro Rob]

You still dont get it lol

I cant show you a myth dumbass cause it doesnt exist.

Way to be original by the way. :thumbsup:

You can't show me a myth "cause" it doesn't exist?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cause

Yeah, and I'm the "dumbass". lol

 

[SlowSpyder]

What I gathered from that link is that it really shows that atheists responses are really rehearsed, as they all are exactly the same.

The things stated therein are almost what you and others say verbatim. They are actually resembling slogans than sincere objections.

We say similar things because we follow the path of logic and use evidence and critical thinking which causes us to come to the same answers. On the other hand, what do you get when believers read the bible? A bunch of different christian cults that can't even agree on that much.

Ya, that's why it is a disgusting Immoral book. Might as well be reading Mein Kampf.

Yup, agreed. The bible has quite a few passages that try and push the superiority of a race of people and the inferiority of others. Really it is nothing more than candy coated evil. There aren't a lot of differences between a North Korean dictator and the christian god (well one big difference, we know North Korean dictators exist).

 

[Retro Rob]

We say similar things because we follow the path of logic and use evidence and critical thinking which causes us to come to the same answers. On the other hand, what do you get when believers read the bible? A bunch of different christian cults that can't even agree on that much.

What evidence do you use to conclude that there is no evidence for God?

 

[Retro Rob]

Fair enough, but why isn't there Evidence?

You tell me...as I am not claiming there isn't -- you are.

 

[SlowSpyder]

What evidence do you use to conclude that there is no evidence for God?

What evidence do you use to conclude that zeus is not god? What evidence do you use to conclude we're not just a computer simulation? What evidence do you use to conclude I don't have delicious pasta in place of internal organs?

 

[sandorski]

You tell me...as I am not claiming there isn't -- you are.

Multiple times and in multiple threads I and others have asked for Evidence. Why can't you or other Theists just get done with the run around and lay it on the table for us?