93 years old man got beat up by young robber, he didn't get mad

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Aharami
kudos to Hill but he should've just killed the deadbeat. now the taxpayers will have to pay for his hospital bills.

What happened to forgiveness? No matter how severe the sin, there is always room to forgive.

When you show compassion for the assailant, you show contempt for the victim.

Afrackingmen. Nothing happened to that ROBBER that he didn't volunteer for, while this poor old man was brutally attacked in the privacy of his own home.

Again, what happened to forgiveness? Its not always easy to forgive.

Forgiveness is not mine to offer - I wasn't directly involved. Forgiveness is between the robber and his victim.

Directly, indirectly, it doesn't matter. Calling for this man's death is absurd. Under no circumstance should anyone be subject to calls of death, even if he has commited many sins.

How would you like to be responsible for giving this criminal the opportunity to create more victims? That's what your version of "forgiveness" gets us.

By your logic, we should kill anyone who commits a crime, whether it be traffic violations or misdomeanors, since it will stop the creation of additional victims.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Aharami
kudos to Hill but he should've just killed the deadbeat. now the taxpayers will have to pay for his hospital bills.

What happened to forgiveness? No matter how severe the sin, there is always room to forgive.

When you show compassion for the assailant, you show contempt for the victim.

Afrackingmen. Nothing happened to that ROBBER that he didn't volunteer for, while this poor old man was brutally attacked in the privacy of his own home.

Again, what happened to forgiveness? Its not always easy to forgive.

Forgiveness is not mine to offer - I wasn't directly involved. Forgiveness is between the robber and his victim.

Directly, indirectly, it doesn't matter. Calling for this man's death is absurd. Under no circumstance should anyone be subject to calls of death, even if he has commited many sins.

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anyone calling for his death AFTER the fact is silly.

During the attack then yeah you shoot to kill. The man was trying ot kill the old man. a tthat point you need to defend yourself hoewever you can. if that means the death of teh attacker then to bad.


so nobody should be subject to calls of death? what about someone like dahmer? or a the people in Dafur killing everyone?

 

[Hacp]

so nobody should be subject to calls of death? what about someone like dahmer? or a the people in Dafur killing everyone?

Of course, they should be tried, and have their day in court, but sentencing someone to death is cruel.

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: Hacp

so nobody should be subject to calls of death? what about someone like dahmer? or a the people in Dafur killing everyone?

Of course, they should be tried, and have their day in court, but sentencing someone to death is cruel.

no, it isn't. Sentencing someone to death serves 2 points.

1. They cannot commit another crime. A person who commits a murder as a crime of passion should not be put to death, we don't have any idea if they will repeat offend or not. Someone who consistently shows contempt for the law, and is a repeat violent offender offers no benefit to society. They should be put to death. Remember, a perp loses their rights ONLY AFTER trampling the rights of a lawful citizen.

2. Deterrent. If you know you can get away with it, it makes you more likely to do something. if you think "I'm gonna get the chair for this" then maybe you will think twice. I think this is an innefective deterrent, but how many lifes does this have to save (by preventing someone from doing wrong) to make it worth it? You said above, all avoidable accidental deaths. What about all intentional deaths, do they get the same treatment?

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Aharami
kudos to Hill but he should've just killed the deadbeat. now the taxpayers will have to pay for his hospital bills.

What happened to forgiveness? No matter how severe the sin, there is always room to forgive.

When you show compassion for the assailant, you show contempt for the victim.

Afrackingmen. Nothing happened to that ROBBER that he didn't volunteer for, while this poor old man was brutally attacked in the privacy of his own home.

Again, what happened to forgiveness? Its not always easy to forgive.

Forgiveness is not mine to offer - I wasn't directly involved. Forgiveness is between the robber and his victim.

Directly, indirectly, it doesn't matter. Calling for this man's death is absurd. Under no circumstance should anyone be subject to calls of death, even if he has commited many sins.

How would you like to be responsible for giving this criminal the opportunity to create more victims? That's what your version of "forgiveness" gets us.

By your logic, we should kill anyone who commits a crime, whether it be traffic violations or misdomeanors, since it will stop the creation of additional victims.

While I haven't finished reading the rest of this. I will go on to say hacp that you are seriously confusing forgiveness with freedom from consequences. Can he be forgiven? Of course and he should be, however, that does not change the fact that he received what he deserved for his crime, and that was receiving justified self-defense. There is nothing wrong here. You're making an issue out of something that doesn't exist.

In case anyone wants to bring the Christian God into this, Jesus says the same thing. Forgiveness is not freedom from consequence. You can sin against God and always be forgiven, however, that does not exempt you from the consequences of your actions.

Say you murder someone and get the death penalty. You can go to God and get his forgiveness if you are sincere. However, he's not going to transport you from the prison cell to a warm beach in Mexico. You are still going to sit there in that holding cell, and you are still going to die as punishment for your actions.

Do we understand now hacp? Quit confusing forgiveness please. It's bugged me ever since I started reading this thread.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: waggy
anyone calling for his death AFTER the fact is silly.

During the attack then yeah you shoot to kill. The man was trying ot kill the old man. a tthat point you need to defend yourself hoewever you can. if that means the death of teh attacker then to bad.


so nobody should be subject to calls of death? what about someone like dahmer? or a the people in Dafur killing everyone?

I couldn't have said it better myself. :beer:

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Hacp

so nobody should be subject to calls of death? what about someone like dahmer? or a the people in Dafur killing everyone?

Of course, they should be tried, and have their day in court, but sentencing someone to death is cruel.

I disagree. If someone commits a crime that is punishable by death, then by all means he deserves the death penalty if he is convicted of said crime(1st degree murder, etc.).

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: nweaver

Originally posted by: Hacp

so nobody should be subject to calls of death? what about someone like dahmer? or a the people in Dafur killing everyone?

Of course, they should be tried, and have their day in court, but sentencing someone to death is cruel.

no, it isn't. Sentencing someone to death serves 2 points.

1. They cannot commit another crime. A person who commits a murder as a crime of passion should not be put to death, we don't have any idea if they will repeat offend or not. Someone who consistently shows contempt for the law, and is a repeat violent offender offers no benefit to society. They should be put to death. Remember, a perp loses their rights ONLY AFTER trampling the rights of a lawful citizen.

2. Deterrent. If you know you can get away with it, it makes you more likely to do something. if you think "I'm gonna get the chair for this" then maybe you will think twice. I think this is an innefective deterrent, but how many lifes does this have to save (by preventing someone from doing wrong) to make it worth it? You said above, all avoidable accidental deaths. What about all intentional deaths, do they get the same treatment?

3. Remove a drain to society. Whether committing heinous crimes or costing taxpayers ~$50k / year and up by being incarcerated, our worst felons are a huge burden on society. While I don't support capital punishment for the simple fact it's nearly impossible to determine guilt with 100% accuracy (and our justice system is archiac and badly in need of reform, harming accuracy yet further), someone like Dahmer or McVeigh really deserves it and society deserved that they be killed as well.

But whatever... while I'm sure hacp is trolling, some people share similar views and are for real. They think we should release all of our nation's inmates, who would then turn around, thank us and begin singing Kumbayah. They need to put down the LSD & bong and seek help.

I don't think the perpetrator in the link should be executed, certainly - but if he'd died from his injury that would be fine with me and we'd all be slightly better off.

 

[Journer]

and to think there are still people out there trying to ban/put more regulations on guns... -_-

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Hacp
Just wait until his grandson looks under the bed, finds the gun, and starts shooting people.

In any given year, there are more kids (13 years or younger) killed by the bath tub then by their parents/grandparents firearms.

This is why I keep my bathtub under lock and key.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: potato28
The thread has spiraled outta control!! OMg Gunzzz!!1 *leaves thread*

Wait for me!!

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: mattocs
If you enter my home and don't put your hands on your head, you're gone.

I would hope you'd wait until you felt your life was threatened before you pulled the trigger.

If you break into my home, I point my shotgun at you and tell you to put your hands on your head or I will put some hot lead in you .... any action besides putting your hands on your head will be received as a direct threat to my life and hot lead (or steel) will ensue.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: mattocs
If you enter my home and don't put your hands on your head, you're gone.

I would hope you'd wait until you felt your life was threatened before you pulled the trigger.

If you break into my home, I point my shotgun at you and tell you to put your hands on your head or I will put some hot lead in you .... any action besides putting your hands on your head will be received as a direct threat to my life and hot lead (or steel) will ensue.

Personally, I would come up with a better story to tell the cops/judge/jury than that.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: mattocs
If you enter my home and don't put your hands on your head, you're gone.

I would hope you'd wait until you felt your life was threatened before you pulled the trigger.

I would hope that he does not.

If I find someone who does not belong in my home in the middle of the night, there is only going to be one outcome - their death.

All you have to do is make sure you shoot them in their chest instead of their back, then it wont look like they were running away.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: mattocs
If you enter my home and don't put your hands on your head, you're gone.

I would hope you'd wait until you felt your life was threatened before you pulled the trigger.

If you break into my home, I point my shotgun at you and tell you to put your hands on your head or I will put some hot lead in you .... any action besides putting your hands on your head will be received as a direct threat to my life and hot lead (or steel) will ensue.

Personally, I would come up with a better story to tell the cops/judge/jury than that.

Bad guy in the house. I feared for my life. He made a sudden movement and I thought he was going for a weapon. I feared for my life.

 

[MrMajestyk]

Reminds me of a British case that had a very different outcome and outraged much of the population.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/717511.stm

On appeal his sentence was reduced to manslaugter and he served 2/3 of a 5 year jail term.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: mattocs
If you enter my home and don't put your hands on your head, you're gone.

I would hope you'd wait until you felt your life was threatened before you pulled the trigger.

I would hope that he does not.

If I find someone who does not belong in my home in the middle of the night, there is only going to be one outcome - their death.

All you have to do is make sure you shoot them in their chest instead of their back, then it wont look like they were running away.

If they are in your home, and you have previously thought about what to say to the cops if the worst does happen, then it doesn't really matter where you shoot them.

Just remember: I feared for my life. Bad guy made a move that could have been a grab for a weapon. I feared for my life. "Name, rank, serial number" and I would like to speak to my attorney. Be polite to the authorities but repeat the above until you receive council from your attorney.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: mattocs
If you enter my home and don't put your hands on your head, you're gone.

I would hope you'd wait until you felt your life was threatened before you pulled the trigger.

My life is threatened as soon as someone I don't know comes forcefully into my house, die sucka!!

 

[KoolDrew]

:thumbsup:

 

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Aharami
kudos to Hill but he should've just killed the deadbeat. now the taxpayers will have to pay for his hospital bills.

What happened to forgiveness? No matter how severe the sin, there is always room to forgive.

God forgives; we just arrange the meeting. - Gen Schwartzkopf

 

[Modular]

Awesome OP. Good to see some asshats getting what they deserve. Sadly...if the robber recovers, he'll rob again.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Hacp
Just wait until his grandson looks under the bed, finds the gun, and starts shooting people.

Congrats on winning the Stupid Post of the Day award.

Yep, it is stupid when innocent people die because of misconcealed guns.

You assume he has grand kids. Stop being an idiot please.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Directly, indirectly, it doesn't matter. Calling for this man's death is absurd. Under no circumstance should anyone be subject to calls of death, even if he has commited many sins.

How would you like to be responsible for giving this criminal the opportunity to create more victims? That's what your version of "forgiveness" gets us.

By your logic, we should kill anyone who commits a crime, whether it be traffic violations or misdomeanors, since it will stop the creation of additional victims.

You're black and white version of the world is sad. "Under no circumstances"? My ass. There are PLENTY of circumstances where it's called for, and protecting your life/family/home are basically the top 3.

In your world, the only people with rights are the criminals.

Forgiveness != no consequences. Maybe the old mad has forgiven the intruder, that doesn't mean he shouldn't have defended himself in the heat of the conflict.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: caivoma
The thief beat him to unconscious with a soda can ?
Hmm...

If it was full it was a 12oz brick. You can do a lot of damage with something like that.

Indeed.. I blame the movie Bad Boys ( Sean Penn version, not the buddy cop bulls***)

 

[GDaddy]

Originally posted by: Yreka

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: caivoma
The thief beat him to unconscious with a soda can ?
Hmm...

If it was full it was a 12oz brick. You can do a lot of damage with something like that.

Indeed.. I blame the movie Bad Boys ( Sean Penn version, not the buddy cop bulls***)

Excellent flick, but he had 3 or 4 bricks in the pillow case