900 Catholic Students suspended for not having vaccination records

[zinfamous]

Never said I refuse to be vaccinated except for the flu.

I just believe in individual rights.

People should not be treated differently because of what they do with their bodies.

Their body their choice

If only you actually believed that.

 

[Texashiker]

If only you actually believed that.

I support individual rights.

Liberals only support individual rights if the cause pushes an agenda.

If you support mandatory vaccines:

What about mandatory hand washing? Maybe have a bathroom police. If you do not wash your hands you get a ticket?

Mandatory stay home if you are sick? Feeling bad and go out in the public you get arrested?

Mandatory that companies make healthy food? Remove all fatty dishes from restaurants? No more cheese burgers or processed meats.

How many people are killed from fatty and sugary foods as opposed to vaccine preventable diseases?

Force tobacco companies out of business. I am pretty sure smoking related diseases kill more people yearly than vaccine preventable childhood disease.

How many children face health issues from diabetes as compared to vaccine preventable childhood disease?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I support individual rights.

Liberals only support individual rights if the cause pushes an agenda.

If you support mandatory vaccines:

What about mandatory hand washing? Maybe have a bathroom police. If you do not wash your hands you get a ticket?

Mandatory stay home if you are sick? Feeling bad and go out in the public you get arrested?

Mandatory that companies make healthy food? Remove all fatty dishes from restaurants? No more cheese burgers or processed meats.

How many people are killed from fatty and sugary foods as opposed to vaccine preventable diseases?

Force tobacco companies out of business. I am pretty sure smoking related diseases kill more people yearly than vaccine preventable childhood disease.

buffoon
noun buf·foon \(&#716bə-ˈfün\

Full Definition of buffoon
1: a ludicrous figure : clown
2: a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person
3: texashiker

 

[Texashiker]

buffoon
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Full Definition of buffoon
1: a ludicrous figure : clown
2: a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person
3: texashiker

Rather than address the issue of individual rights resort to attacks.

Sounds about right.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Rather than address the issue of individual rights resort to attacks.

Sounds about right.

there's nothing to address here. an unvaccinated child puts others at risk through the willful ignorance of the parents.
Comparing that to the health issues from eating fatty foods is superfluous at best. If I down 20 big macs and 10 bags of fries, you are not going to catch my 'fat'
however, if you choose not to vaccinate your child against measles, mumps, smallpox, etc, and my child who may not be able to have vaccinations catches a life threatening illness from your child, you better expect some serious repercussions.

does that spell it out for you succinctly enough, you FUCKING BUFFOON?!?!?!?!!

 

[Texashiker]

there's nothing to address here. an unvaccinated child puts others at risk through the willful ignorance of the parents.

Your health is not my problem.

Whats next? Want me to come over to your house and take out all the unhealthy food? Maybe check the brakes on your car?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Your health is not my problem.

ok, I'll stick to small words

if you make my child sick, you are at fault. so your choices made them your problem. got it?

you're not worth it, you know that. a typical mouth-breather. I'm done with you toothless. time to let others try to instruct you where you're failing at life.

 

[Texashiker]

ok, I'll stick to small words

if you make my child sick, you are at fault. so your choices made them your problem. got it?

My kids did not make your kids sick. The bacteria or virus did.

Just to be clear all of my kids were fully vaccinated. I am not against vaccines. I just believe in individual rights. When I cut my leg with a chain saw a few years ago I got my tetanus shot.

I do not get a flu vaccine, that is my right and my choice. You want to be protected from the flu go get your vaccine.

 

[IronWing]

No one is forcing the brats to be vaccinated. The parents simply can't return the kids to school until they show proof that they have been vaccinated. They can keep their germ bag kids at home if they so desire. Since parents are generally willing to go to great lengths to dump their kids anywhere but home, I suspect the 900 will dwindle to near zero in short order.

 

[OverVolt]

No one is forcing the brats to be vaccinated. The parents simply can't return the kids to school until they show proof that they have been vaccinated. They can keep their germ bag kids at home if they so desire. Since parents are generally willing to go to great lengths to dump their kids anywhere but home, I suspect the 900 will dwindle to near zero in short order.

lmao

 

[MongGrel]

There's a vaccine that gives people yachts and jets? Where do I get that? I'll take two.

+2

My kids did not make your kids sick. The bacteria or virus did.

Just to be clear all of my kids were fully vaccinated. I am not against vaccines. I just believe in individual rights. When I cut my leg with a chain saw a few years ago I got my tetanus shot.

I do not get a flu vaccine, that is my right and my choice. You want to be protected from the flu go get your vaccine.

buffoon
noun buf·foon \(&#716bə-ˈfün\

Full Definition of buffoon
1: a ludicrous figure : clown
2: a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person
3: texashiker

I'm going to vote with Sheik Yerbouti on this one.

I wonder how you feel about a few other individual rights.

That was rhetorical, I guess in reality.

 

[Joepublic2]

Nice to know where yall stand on individual rights.

It is a persons right to say what happens to their body. Your health is not someone elses responsibility.

Example: You wash your hands before eating, right? Why? Shouldn't you require mandatory hand washing?

No, your measles kids don't have a right to infect other peoples'. Try again. Homeschooling isn't illegal in Canada.

 

[cbrunny]

My kids did not make your kids sick. The bacteria or virus did.

Just to be clear all of my kids were fully vaccinated. I am not against vaccines. I just believe in individual rights. When I cut my leg with a chain saw a few years ago I got my tetanus shot.

I do not get a flu vaccine, that is my right and my choice. You want to be protected from the flu go get your vaccine.

You don't really get science. Do you?

 

[mikeymikec]

I just believe in individual rights.

People should not be treated differently because of what they do with their bodies.

Their body their choice

I support individual rights.

With regard to vaccination, but not with abortion, right? How about if a person infected with HIV wants to have sex with another person but doesn't want to inform them wrt the infection first?

You're anti-abortion, which according to many is one person putting another person's life in danger, yet it's A-OK not to get vaccinated and you think it should be consequence-free.

I think maybe you should spend more time answering specific questions and points put to you rather than firing off platitudes that you think sound good but a) aren't compatible with your opinions on other topics relating to individual rights and b) they don't shed any further light on the basis of your argument.

 

[sandorski]

In TH's defence(ick), back in the 80's and before then Canadian Government Ministries didn't share information with each other due to principles of Privacy and Freedom of Citizens. Various exposures of Fraud being committed taking advantage of that fact caused a change in policy though.

 

[desy]

His hyperbole extends to hand washing police which is unenforcable. This is enforcable because of record keeping. Its also ludicrus because its proven science around public health that works for a SOCIETY ,which if you want to be part of, comply. No? again backwoods cabin that way

 

[Rakehellion]

dingus, your unvaccinated child can spread their potentially lethal infections to other children who cannot be inoculated. When was the last time you remember a child being stricken with polio? or a widespread smallpox epidemic in a first world nation?

you are just a fucking buffoon.

If you can't be inoculated, that's your problem. You can and will get sick.

There are thousands of illnesses for which there are no vaccines. Usually people just stay home when they're sick.

 

[Rakehellion]

How about if a person infected with HIV wants to have sex with another person but doesn't want to inform them wrt the infection first?

That's a communicable illness that a person has.

An unvaccinated person does not have any illness and likely never will. They are not infected, they are unvaccinated.

 

[Oyeve]

NM

 

[MomentsofSanity]

But, if your kid is vaccinated why would you worry about him getting sick from a kid who is not?

Because not all kids are innoculated for every disease at birth? Some can not be for medical reasons. Some are too young etc... for certain vaccines. That's the entire purpose of "herd immunity". Vaccinate as many as you can to reduce the risk of carriers.

 

[Brainonska511]

If you can't be inoculated, that's your problem. You can and will get sick.

There are thousands of illnesses for which there are no vaccines. Usually people just stay home when they're sick.

And there are some illnesses that are communicable when someone is not showing symptoms. How can someone opt to stay home when they don't even know they're spreading a disease? Are you just going to tell those that can't be vaccinated to not go to school, ever? Or what about the children where they were vaccinated but it didn't take for whatever reason?

As for the "thousands of illnesses for which there are no vaccines" - that's irrelevant, as we're talking about illnesses in which there are vaccines available.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If you can't be inoculated, that's your problem. You can and will get sick.

There are thousands of illnesses for which there are no vaccines. Usually people just stay home when they're sick.

"I got mine, so fuck you" mentality, awesome

 

[Rakehellion]

As for the "thousands of illnesses for which there are no vaccines" - that's irrelevant, as we're talking about illnesses in which there are vaccines available.

That's cherry picking.

You're implying a disease is only cause for concern if a vaccine is available for it. Not only that, but the law should mandate preventative care against this particular short list while ignoring all others. Preventative care that involves spending money.

What next, make it illegal to sneeze in someone's face? Outlaw all touching like in Demolition Man? This isn't pro-safety, it's pro-corporation.

And there are some illnesses that are communicable when someone is not showing symptoms. How can someone opt to stay home when they don't even know they're spreading a disease? Are you just going to tell those that can't be vaccinated to not go to school, ever? Or what about the children where they were vaccinated but it didn't take for whatever reason?

People who aren't vaccinated are still protected through herd immunity.

Barring that, there's still basic preventative care like washing your hands and covering your mouth when you cough.

That's the entire purpose of "herd immunity". Vaccinate as many as you can to reduce the risk of carriers.

I'm against forcing anyone to be in a herd.

 

[mikeymikec]

That's a communicable illness that a person has.

An unvaccinated person does not have any illness and likely never will. They are not infected, they are unvaccinated.

I was responding to TH's point regarding "their choice".

If we're talking about a spread-out minority of unvaccinated people amongst a population that has a high enough percentage of vaccinated people, then perhaps. However, stupidity is commonplace, stupid ideas propagate rather quickly, and sometimes people get panicky and do stupid things. It was only in the last few weeks that I heard of a school where something like 25% of the students were off sick due to contracting an illness that vaccines are available for.

There are quite a few people in society who are at much higher risk of serious consequences if they contracted say german measles. There really is no excuse for not vaccinating. I have been on immunosuppressants for a number of years, what should I do, stop going outside because there are some people who are inconsiderate little shits? Are they going to pay my bills?

If you can't be inoculated, that's your problem. You can and will get sick.

These two (quoted) posts aren't compatible with each other.

 

[desy]

Again when the herd walks one direction towards vaccination leave the f-ing herd then if you want and don't come back