900 Catholic Students suspended for not having vaccination records

[Rakehellion]

Who's paying for everyone who gets infected? You? Such absurd statements.

News flash: Everyone is NOT getting infected. Such absurd statements.

What is the risk associated with that vaccine?

High financial cost.
Removal of freedom of choice.

 

[Rakehellion]

^ Exactly. There are many costs that cannot be calculated.

If anyone is interested, here's the prices that UNICEF purchases the Measles vaccine at:

http://www.unicef.org/supply/files/Measles.pdf

We're talking about 10-50 cents A DOSE.

Plus facilities and labor. Or are those nurses working for free?

 

[cbrunny]

Pages of raging stupidity and bullshit

Ok, enough already. You're the king of the trolls. now put your stupid away and return to being a real person.

 

[Brainonska511]

-There are ways to prevent disease other than vaccines. -An unvaccinated person is still protected through herd immunity.

Herd immunity only works if there are enough people that can't get sick (i.e. vaccinated) to prevent a disease from taking a hold in the population. If we allow enough idiots to not vaccinate their children, you can have small pockets where diseases can spread rapidly due to a lack of herd immunity. This has been a problem in some California communities: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/02/06/us/california-measles-vaccines-map.html?_r=0

Also, some diseases are also highly contagious - hand washing or staying away from sick people just doesn't cut it. Just look at measles:

http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/parents-top4.html

Measles is very contagious.
Measles spreads through the air when an infected person coughs or sneezes. It is so contagious that if one person has it, 9 out of 10 people around him or her will also become infected if they are not protected. Your child can get measles just by being in a room where a person with measles has been, even up to two hours after that person has left. An infected person can spread measles to others even before knowing he/she has the disease—from four days before developing the measles rash through four days afterward.

 

[Rakehellion]

If we allow enough idiots to not vaccinate their children, you can have small pockets where diseases can spread rapidly due to a lack of herd immunity.

People are idiots, but you want to pull their kids from school to make them even bigger idiots?

Why not educate people on the importance of vaccines so this trend doesn't spread?

 

[abj13]

How in the hell is this a response to what I said about diseases that can't be vaccinated against?

Smallpox used to kill just under 1 in 3 people who got it. We don't see that infection anymore.

And I didn't bother to callout your BS statistic of 99.99%. Let's see that made-up data you have on that.

Only in undeveloped countries. Try that strawman some more.

It is entirely relevant. You first said "The diseases for which vaccines are available are not the most deadly. It's a fallacy of convenience."

Um no. Measles is deadly. It is fraught with complications. But keep on trying to dismiss it, it highlights how very little of infectious diseases you understand.

How many *billions* or dollars was that? How many vaccines did they make again? How many people were randomly tested for Ebola at airports?

Once again, you quote something but don't even address it. Every major hospital implemented plans, equipment, training, etc. The movement to prevent Ebola outbreaks was an expensive program. But once again you don't understand it.

False dichotomy.

Face it. You got caught with dumb statements. You said it: "Because a vaccine is not the most important tool in fighting an infection."

I suggest you go back and edit that post.

-There are ways to prevent disease other than vaccines.
-An unvaccinated person is still protected through herd immunity.

Vaccines are by far the most impactful, cost effective at reducing death and morbidity from infections.

It is simple as that. Or show me the study that billboards prevented more disease than vaccination. I will await that data.

News flash: Everyone is NOT getting infected. Such absurd statements.

Nobody said everyone gets infected. Learn how to read. Everyone is in reference to "who gets infected."

High financial cost.
Removal of freedom of choice.

Cost is minimal. Already posted. There is no 100% freedom of choice in the US. Another strawman argument.

Plus facilities and labor. Or are those nurses working for free?

Great, the costs when you even add that up doesn't come close from the money lost from treated the infected, and the lost money in worker time. But good try.

When will you correct the following absurd statements?

The diseases for which vaccines are available are not the most deadly. It's a fallacy of convenience.

Cherry picking. How many vaccinable illnesses are not generally deadly? How many deadly diseases are not vaccinable.

Because a vaccine is not the most important tool in fighting an infection.

So we don't want to put up a billboard for a few dollars to educate people when we can spend millions on vaccines?

 

[cbrunny]

People are idiots, but you want to pull their kids from school to make them even bigger idiots?

Why not educate people on the importance of vaccines so this trend doesn't spread?

Somewhat ironic from someone touting that vaccines are not necessary.

 

[abj13]

People are idiots, but you want to pull their kids from school to make them even bigger idiots?

Why not educate people on the importance of vaccines so this trend doesn't spread?

LMAO. Clearly "educating" had no effect on you given the number of absurd statements from you. Way to contradict your very own argument.

 

[Brainonska511]

People are idiots, but you want to pull their kids from school to make them even bigger idiots?

Why not educate people on the importance of vaccines so this trend doesn't spread?

Educating people seems to have the opposite effect:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/02/25/peds.2013-2365

CONCLUSIONS: Current public health communications about vaccines may not be effective. For some parents, they may actually increase misperceptions or reduce vaccination intention. Attempts to increase concerns about communicable diseases or correct false claims about vaccines may be especially likely to be counterproductive. More study of pro-vaccine messaging is needed.

 

[desy]

Yep there is a certain segment that hates science
Cause you know medicine, computers, airplanes we conjured up magically. . .
They won't stop taking advantage of it though so they can spew their ignorance through their unicorn created smartphone

You can whine about civil liberties all you want however vaccinations, speed limits, education, rule of law all exist in society because over time they have proven to benefit the greater good. Sometimes there can be overreach, granted, this is one you'll have to suck up buttercup cause its proven over decades to be a cost/benefit risk/reward winner

 

[Rakehellion]

Somewhat ironic from someone touting that vaccines are not necessary.

Holy fuck, for the eighth time, I never said that.

This thread:

 

[cbrunny]

Holy fuck, for the eighth time, I never said that.

This thread:

So if you agree vaccines are necessary, your argument becomes completely invalid. I mean it was completely invalid to start with but this makes it invalid by your own argument.