9/11 victims angered by bush ads

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

Desperate for attention again Red? Too bad you missed the point...

Ad Hom attacks will always take the legs of any argument you present!

And your default pre-programmed I-hate-Bush responses are boring and repetitive. Like I said, you missed the point and just wanted to make another comment about Bush. When you're as narrow minded as you and desperate as ever to get in another anti-Bush comment, then you'll miss the point of most things in your life.

OK, this feels wrong, but...
RedDawn is NOT narrow minded and is NOT just some liberal bush-hater (think DealMonkey and Pers) who twists everything to make it anti-bush.
He has strong opinions on Iraq and expresses his opinions clearly and with intelligent thought.

EDIT: I still disagree with him. I think Bush did what he thought was right and I still agree with the decision to go to Iraq. Just wanted to defend him against the false accusations of being a brain-washed, narrow minded Bush hater.

 

[AEB]

holy crap, its not liked Bush intentionally lied. He made a desicion based on the intelligence given to him. Same with everyone else who suppored the invasion, including gore, liberman, kerry and many other liberal democrats. But it is naturally easier to blame someone you dont like, even republicans weren't this bad when clintion had all of his scandals going. Keep in mind clintion coul dhave captured bin laden, so blame 9/11 on him

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shanti
OK, this feels wrong, but...
RedDawn is NOT narrow minded and is NOT just some liberal bush-hater (think DealMonkey and Pers) who twists everything to make it anti-bush.
He has strong opinions on Iraq and expresses his opinions clearly and with intelligent thought.

Stooping low again, eh Shanti?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

Its pretty much been proven that the reasons we went to Kosovo are by an large false and severly exaggerated. IIRC we went to Kosovo against UNs wishes awell.

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw. Then Clinton pretty much did the same with Kosovo.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: AEB
holy crap, its not liked Bush intentionally lied. He made a desicion based on the intelligence given to him. Same with everyone else who suppored the invasion, including gore, liberman, kerry and many other liberal democrats. But it is naturally easier to blame someone you dont like, even republicans weren't this bad when clintion had all of his scandals going. Keep in mind clintion coul dhave captured bin laden, so blame 9/11 on him

Hey they weren't in cahrge, the Dub was. Now the deal is we went in to help those Wags from the tyrany of Hussien. OK..during the latest Shiite religious cel;pebration the shiites asked that the American troops not show a presence. Well thie fellow Iraqis took that situation to blow the crap out of them. When American troops pulled in to help the wounded and resto9re order those Wags started throwing rocks and bottles at them and the Shiite Leaders blame American Troops..not their fellow Wags for the attack!!!???

I don't know about you but if I knew that Iraq didn't have those stockpiles of WMD's, alleged ties to Al Qaeda and an Advanced Nuclear Weapons Program I would never have supported invading Iraq and I bet the majority of Americans wouldn't have either. Sure you Bush apologists try and make the best out of his fsck up but deep down in your hearts you know he screwed the pooch too.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
bush should also features pictures of outkast and bombs over baghdad combined with images of over half a thousand of our troops dying in iraq a year after "all major combat has ceased"

Only if Kerry has ads with photos of all the torture victims of Saddam with narration that says "Hey, this guy would still be in power if I had my way."

Hmm....maybe I am not getting what you are talking about. Are you saying everyone who suffers in this world should blame an American politician for not helping? Or care to explain why Iraq is so special?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

Its pretty much been proven that the reasons we went to Kosovo are by an large false and severly exaggerated. IIRC we went to Kosovo against UNs wishes awell.

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw. Then Clinton pretty much did the same with Kosovo.

OK Clinton sucks and he's not president. Does that mean that we should forgive the Dub for sucking? I'm not a Democrat and Clinton is not my hero! Using him to defend the Dub is a ridiculous attempt to excuse the Dub for being incompetent!

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

Its pretty much been proven that the reasons we went to Kosovo are by an large false and severly exaggerated. IIRC we went to Kosovo against UNs wishes awell.

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw. Then Clinton pretty much did the same with Kosovo.

OK Clinton sucks and he's not president. Does that mean that we should forgive the Dub for sucking? I'm not a Democrat and Clinton is not my hero! Using him to defend the Dub is a ridiculous attempt to excuse the Dub for being incompetent!

All modern presidents have been severely incompetent, that goes back to pre WWII...

 

[Romans828]

I support Bush, but he should stop the 9/11 commercials its only gonna hurt him. Not smart politics IMO

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

Its pretty much been proven that the reasons we went to Kosovo are by an large false and severly exaggerated. IIRC we went to Kosovo against UNs wishes awell.

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw. Then Clinton pretty much did the same with Kosovo.

OK Clinton sucks and he's not president. Does that mean that we should forgive the Dub for sucking? I'm not a Democrat and Clinton is not my hero! Using him to defend the Dub is a ridiculous attempt to excuse the Dub for being incompetent!

All modern presidents have been severely incompetent, that goes back to pre WWII...

So that excuses the incompentent President we have nhow?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

Its pretty much been proven that the reasons we went to Kosovo are by an large false and severly exaggerated. IIRC we went to Kosovo against UNs wishes awell.

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw. Then Clinton pretty much did the same with Kosovo.

OK Clinton sucks and he's not president. Does that mean that we should forgive the Dub for sucking? I'm not a Democrat and Clinton is not my hero! Using him to defend the Dub is a ridiculous attempt to excuse the Dub for being incompetent!

All modern presidents have been severely incompetent, that goes back to pre WWII...

So that excuses the incompentent President we have nhow?

It doesnt, just puts things(or should) into perspective. If you expect a competent president(or higher level elected officals), you are naive.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well I believed Bushes BS about the WMD's and the rest of those lies enough to support his Excellent Adventure into Iraq! Don't you think I have a right to be pissed at the Dub for lying to me? Hey you can forgive him for that, it's your perogati8ve, but as far as I am concerned it was probably one of the most underhanded manipulations of the American Public that I can remember and I was around during the Nixon years!

I forgive and forget many mistakes people make.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I promise you, no matter what you do in life, there will always be someone who has a problem with it.

Yep I have a Major problem with him lying to us about vast stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, alleged direct ties with Al Qaeda and Iraq's advanced Nuclear Weapons program. If he would have just told the truth and let us decide on his pre-determined intentions of invading Iraq then at least I couldn't say he lied to us! If, like many of his apologists say, he only used the dodgy intel he had to promote his pre-determined invasion of Irag then he is guilty of gross incompetence!

So you feel the same way about Clinton?

If he had lied to the American people the way Bush and his minions did to convince us to invade Iraq you bet I would! Clinton has been proven to be a liar and it seems that Bush is no different!

Its pretty much been proven that the reasons we went to Kosovo are by an large false and severly exaggerated. IIRC we went to Kosovo against UNs wishes awell.

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw. Then Clinton pretty much did the same with Kosovo.

OK Clinton sucks and he's not president. Does that mean that we should forgive the Dub for sucking? I'm not a Democrat and Clinton is not my hero! Using him to defend the Dub is a ridiculous attempt to excuse the Dub for being incompetent!

All modern presidents have been severely incompetent, that goes back to pre WWII...

So that excuses the incompentent President we have nhow?

It doesnt, just puts things(or should) into perspective. If you expect a competent president(or higher level elected officals), you are naive.

If I was naive I would vote for Bush after his piss poor performance so far!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well I believed Bushes BS about the WMD's and the rest of those lies enough to support his Excellent Adventure into Iraq! Don't you think I have a right to be pissed at the Dub for lying to me? Hey you can forgive him for that, it's your perogati8ve, but as far as I am concerned it was probably one of the most underhanded manipulations of the American Public that I can remember and I was around during the Nixon years!

I forgive and forget many mistakes people make.

If you support Bush you must!

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Shanti

OK, this feels wrong, but...
RedDawn is NOT narrow minded and is NOT just some liberal bush-hater (think DealMonkey and Pers) who twists everything to make it anti-bush.
He has strong opinions on Iraq and expresses his opinions clearly and with intelligent thought.

EDIT: I still disagree with him. I think Bush did what he thought was right and I still agree with the decision to go to Iraq. Just wanted to defend him against the false accusations of being a brain-washed, narrow minded Bush hater.

If you go back to my original comment, you'll see he just used it as an excuse to slam Bush. There's no need for it. It was childish and immature. My comment didn't dictate such a response and in fact, didn't really require much of a response from anyone for that matter.

He could start his own thread about how much he hates Bush and that would be great. But to go around constantly repeating the same things over and over is lame, unless the thread dictated as such. But then again, when you go around blaming Bush for everything wrong in the world, it's hard not to be a narrow minded liberal Bush-hater, because that's exactly what you look like.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well I believed Bushes BS about the WMD's and the rest of those lies enough to support his Excellent Adventure into Iraq! Don't you think I have a right to be pissed at the Dub for lying to me? Hey you can forgive him for that, it's your perogati8ve, but as far as I am concerned it was probably one of the most underhanded manipulations of the American Public that I can remember and I was around during the Nixon years!

I forgive and forget many mistakes people make.

If you support Bush you must!

Did you support Clinton?

 

[AEB]

This is my first day back after serveral months of not posting and already i remember why i stopped

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well I believed Bushes BS about the WMD's and the rest of those lies enough to support his Excellent Adventure into Iraq! Don't you think I have a right to be pissed at the Dub for lying to me? Hey you can forgive him for that, it's your perogati8ve, but as far as I am concerned it was probably one of the most underhanded manipulations of the American Public that I can remember and I was around during the Nixon years!

I forgive and forget many mistakes people make.

If you support Bush you must!

Did you support Clinton?

No, I voted for Perot and then Dole.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Shanti
OK, this feels wrong, but...
RedDawn is NOT narrow minded and is NOT just some liberal bush-hater (think DealMonkey and Pers) who twists everything to make it anti-bush.
He has strong opinions on Iraq and expresses his opinions clearly and with intelligent thought.

Stooping low again, eh Shanti?

Just making sure people know what I mean.

By the way, I'm interested in your response in the Arnold thread. I need a good laugh.

 

[GoPackGo]

Of course 9/11 should be used in the campaign.

Those who are complaining should be asked if they are complaining about the big checks they are getting.

Plus

Where are all these dems and libs raising billions for the soldiers families that are being killed in the war?

Where is their telethon?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw.

I've seen people say this lots of times. Is it true?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: digitalsm

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw.

I've seen people say this lots of times. Is it true?

Absolutely its true...its part of the system of checks and balances in our government.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: digitalsm

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw.

I've seen people say this lots of times. Is it true?

Absolutely its true...its part of the system of checks and balances in our government.

Are you just assuming it to be true, or is there something that actually states it to be so? It just seems kind of strange to me...congress is pretty big, after all, and there's the issues surrounding methods and sources and such.

Out of curiosity, does every member of congress have Top Secret clearance?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: digitalsm

If Bush "lied to us" and to congress who saw exactly what Bush saw.

I've seen people say this lots of times. Is it true?

Absolutely its true...its part of the system of checks and balances in our government.

Are you just assuming it to be true, or is there something that actually states it to be so? It just seems kind of strange to me...congress is pretty big, after all, and there's the issues surrounding methods and sources and such.

Out of curiosity, does every member of congress have Top Secret clearance?

Certain members of congress mainly those on the intelligence and armed services committees get to see what the president sees.