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9/11 Conspiracy

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Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
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To name a few:

"former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm

Many others at st911.org
 
Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
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Oddly enough I work in the city and I have yet to meet a new yorker who does not think it was a "inside job" I doubted it outright until I came here the area actually, so yes I can think of many intellegent people, some who were there when it happened who think there is more to it then the official story. If not come right out and say the kind of stuff others are here, -actually this stuff they say is pretty tame(I am still not convinced though myself, nor do I want to know)
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
Click to expand...

Oddly enough I work in the city and I have yet to meet a new yorker who does not think it was a "inside job" I doubted it outright until I came here the area actually, so yes I can think of many intellegent people, some who were there when it happened who think there is more to it then the official story. If not come right out and say the kind of stuff others are here, (I am still not convinced though myself, nor do I want to know)
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I don't know what people you talk to, but I have yet to meet 1 new yorker who does agree with any of these tinfoil-hat hypotheses.
 
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
Click to expand...

Oddly enough I work in the city and I have yet to meet a new yorker who does not think it was a "inside job" I doubted it outright until I came here the area actually, so yes I can think of many intellegent people, some who were there when it happened who think there is more to it then the official story. If not come right out and say the kind of stuff others are here, (I am still not convinced though myself, nor do I want to know)
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I don't know what people you talk to, but I have yet to meet 1 new yorker who does agree with any of these tinfoil-hat hypotheses.
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Everyone I have spoken to at work, everyone who I am friends with, I can probably think of about a 100 or so people over the past year who have spoke of it, you must hang around a pretty odd crowd, you don't fit the mindset from your writing of most people I know in the city anyway. You from long island or something? You seem too uptight to live in the city.

( not trying to stereotype but I just don't see anyone in real life like you speaking the way you do in here)
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
Click to expand...

Oddly enough I work in the city and I have yet to meet a new yorker who does not think it was a "inside job" I doubted it outright until I came here the area actually, so yes I can think of many intellegent people, some who were there when it happened who think there is more to it then the official story. If not come right out and say the kind of stuff others are here, (I am still not convinced though myself, nor do I want to know)
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I don't know what people you talk to, but I have yet to meet 1 new yorker who does agree with any of these tinfoil-hat hypotheses.
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Everyone I have spoken to at work, everyone who I am friends with, I can probaly think of about a 100 or so people over the past year who have spoke of it, you must hang around a pretty odd crowd, you don't fit the mindset from your writing of most people I know in the city anyway. You from long island or something? You seem too uptight to live in the city.

( not trying to stereotype but I just don't see anyone in reality like you speaking the way you do)
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Zogby poll in 2004 says 50% of New Yorkers believe there is a 9/11 Coverup 🙂
 
Originally posted by: MIDIman
Show it to me
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Come on, cough it up.
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Hunt for the Boeing... - on Urban Legends.
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Uhh...the link on there to the photographs showing the plane hit the ground before hitting the Pentagon show no such thing. Video of the area after the impact don't even show marks on the ground other than the area immediately next to the building.

Also, how could an aircraft make it all the way to the inner ring of a greatly reinforced building when two aircraft couldn't make it through the glass/steel of the WTC?

Why have the videos from the DoT, hotel, and gas station video cameras never been released?

Hell, THIS PIC further down on that Snopes pages shows NO DAMAGE on the grass before the building!!
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
Click to expand...

Oddly enough I work in the city and I have yet to meet a new yorker who does not think it was a "inside job" I doubted it outright until I came here the area actually, so yes I can think of many intellegent people, some who were there when it happened who think there is more to it then the official story. If not come right out and say the kind of stuff others are here, (I am still not convinced though myself, nor do I want to know)
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I don't know what people you talk to, but I have yet to meet 1 new yorker who does agree with any of these tinfoil-hat hypotheses.
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Everyone I have spoken to at work, everyone who I am friends with, I can probably think of about a 100 or so people over the past year who have spoke of it, you must hang around a pretty odd crowd, you don't fit the mindset from your writing of most people I know in the city anyway. You from long island or something? You seem too uptight to live in the city.

( not trying to stereotype but I just don't see anyone in reality like you speaking the way you do)
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Zogby poll in 2004 says 50% of New Yorkers believe there is a 9/11 Coverup 🙂
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You cant walk a few blocks in NYC without seeing a freaking sticker up on a lampost or stop sign about some 9/11 conspiracy,

I have no clue where he is from.
I have to try to stay out of political talk around here because it usually leads to me having to listen to a angry rant about some 9/11 conspiracy, not being from here and not being in the area when it happened I feel uncomfortable about the situation, and I avoid the WTC site like the plague -it creeps me out, This guy must be hiding in a hole or something.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: railer
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!
Click to expand...

Oddly enough I work in the city and I have yet to meet a new yorker who does not think it was a "inside job" I doubted it outright until I came here the area actually, so yes I can think of many intellegent people, some who were there when it happened who think there is more to it then the official story. If not come right out and say the kind of stuff others are here, (I am still not convinced though myself, nor do I want to know)
Click to expand...
I don't know what people you talk to, but I have yet to meet 1 new yorker who does agree with any of these tinfoil-hat hypotheses.
Click to expand...

Everyone I have spoken to at work, everyone who I am friends with, I can probaly think of about a 100 or so people over the past year who have spoke of it, you must hang around a pretty odd crowd, you don't fit the mindset from your writing of most people I know in the city anyway. You from long island or something? You seem too uptight to live in the city.

( not trying to stereotype but I just don't see anyone in reality like you speaking the way you do)
Click to expand...


Zogby poll in 2004 says 50% of New Yorkers believe there is a 9/11 Coverup 🙂
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You cant walk a few blocks in NYC without seeing a freaking sticker up on a lampost or stop sign about some 9/11 conspiracy,

I have no clue where he is from.
I have to try to stay out of political talk around here because it usually leads to a angry rant about 9/11, not being from here and not being in the area when it happened I feel uncomfortable about the situation, and I avoid the WTC site like the plague -it creeps me out, This guy must be hiding in a hole or something.
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No problem.. it just seems like he's in denial.
 
The zogby poll doesn't ask wheter "bombs were planted by "the government" to blow up the trade center, after "the government" flew planes into said buidlings", you dolts.

A "coverup" can mean differet gov't agencies pointing fingers and shifting blame, which of course is human nature, and happens after every terrorist attack, hurricane, car accident, etc, etc, etc.


Out of curiousity, I did look up Paul Craig Roberts, and his stand on 9/11, and he says things like "There are no excuses for the invasion of Iraq. Intelligence failures notwithstanding, terrorist attacks are surprises by definition, but we knew beforehand that Iraq had nothing to do with 911." He's against the war in Iraq, he thinks that there were intelligence failures that led up to 9/11, and he doesn't think that "bombs were planted by "the government" to blow up the trade center, after "the government" flew planes into said buidlings", or anything of the sort. Sorry to ruin your conspiracy parade. I gotta go, I think I just saw a UFO fly by my window....gotta go catch it before "the government" shoots it down and then "covers it up" 😀


 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: noto12ious
No problem.. it just seems like he's in denial.
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The irony is priceless.
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the zogby poll says otherwise 🙂
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Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and ?Consciously Failed? To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York?s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855
On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.

The charge found very high support among adults under 30 (62.8%), African-Americans (62.5%), Hispanics (60.1%), Asians (59.4%), and "Born Again" Evangelical Christians (47.9%).

Less than two in five (36%) believe that the 9/11 Commission had "answered all the important questions about what actually happened on September 11th," and two in three (66%) New Yorkers (and 56.2% overall) called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions" by Congress or Elliot Spitzer, New York's Attorney General. Self-identified "very liberal" New Yorkers supported a new inquiry by a margin of three to one, but so did half (53%) of "very conservative" citizens across the state. The call for a deeper probe was especially strong from Hispanics (75.6%), African-Americans (75.3%) citizens with income from $15-25K (74.3%), women (62%) and Evangelicals (59.9%).

W. David Kubiak, executive director of 911truth.org, the group that commissioned the poll, expressed genuine surprise that New Yorkers' belief in the administration's complicity is as high or higher than that seen overseas. "We're familiar with high levels of 9/11 skepticism abroad where there has been open debate of the evidence for US government complicity. On May 26th the Toronto Star reported a national poll showing that 63% of Canadians are also convinced US leaders had 'prior knowledge' of the attacks yet declined to act. There was no US coverage of this startling poll or the facts supporting the Canadians' conclusions, and there has been virtually no debate on the victim families' scores of still unanswered questions. I think these numbers show that most New Yorkers are now fed up with the silence, and that politicians trying to exploit 9/11 do so at their peril. The 9/11 case is not closed and New York's questions are not going away."
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That's more than just thinking it was a cover-up.
 
Even of this were true the psychology of it is nothing that hasn't been done in the past by other regimes. It would take quite a while for enough people to actually admit they think it happened, and prove it in a public forum large enough and valid enough as to have impact of any real meaning aside from posting videos on google. And that impact if it were true would be a complete tear down of what we have (and the possible attempted repair of said) through force. Which would be be the real reason for the Patriot Act (theoretically speaking). To monitor any dissent.
 
Originally posted by: railer
Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it?
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Because in doing so, you prolong the situation. And by prolonging it, you add more fear to the audience. After the first plane hit, all eyes were on the situation at hand, and those eyes sat and watched, and watched, and watched, until hours later when both buildings had collapsed. The planes aren't enough, but they are the attention grabber. They are the shock, the bombs/collapsing are the awe.
 
way too entertaining...
I understand that anand is considering giving you all a forum...
rofl.....
I have never heard of *any* intelligent people who seriously believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Who are they? What are their names?

Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it? Put your tinfoil hats back on and try again.....

...wait....if this thread is supposed to be funny? Oh I get it now! ROFL! Good one! It's all a big conspiracy! You got me!

All I`m going to say is if there was even a shred of credibility to these 9/11 theories all the major news organisations would be all over this with 24/7 coverage....

Also if there was a credibe witness to any of this the major news organisations would be having this guy on......

Also you can post polls that look like they support your argument but remember polls are one of the most unreliable forms of proof there is...

Also remember eye witness testimony is very easy to disporve in a court of law why?
Because not everybody sees things the same way...

OMG---all these 9/11 threads are making me laugh so gard I need to go wee wee...lolol....rofl
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: railer
Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it?
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Because in doing so, you prolong the situation. And by prolonging it, you add more fear to the audience. After the first plane hit, all eyes were on the situation at hand, and those eyes sat and watched, and watched, and watched, until hours later when both buildings had collapsed. The planes aren't enough, but they are the attention grabber. They are the shock, the bombs/collapsing are the awe.
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There's no way in hell Al-Qaeda could pull off both. If it were so easy why wouldn't they do it more often?
 
ntdz....that's what makes it a CONSPIRACY.

THE GOVERNMENT planted the bombs. They were in cahoots with Al-Quada, and the space aliens. The Loch Ness Monster was on standby swimming just off of Long Island, in case he was needed. Man, you sure are close minded.......
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: railer
Again.....why would you go to the trouble of planting bombs in a buidling, AND, flying planes into it?
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Because in doing so, you prolong the situation. And by prolonging it, you add more fear to the audience. After the first plane hit, all eyes were on the situation at hand, and those eyes sat and watched, and watched, and watched, until hours later when both buildings had collapsed. The planes aren't enough, but they are the attention grabber. They are the shock, the bombs/collapsing are the awe.
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There's no way in hell Al-Qaeda could pull off both. If it were so easy why wouldn't they do it more often?
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I agree.
 
OK. So I am not a member of the right or the left. Socially, I am conservative: Fiscally I am liberal. I consider myself a fairly smart guy. I have a BS in math, my teaching certification and 20 cr towards my masters degree. I don't own a tinfoil hat. In fact, I usually don't journey into P&N, but this caught my eye. And I have to admit that I watched this video and it raises some good questions.

How did the pilot of the plane make that crazy sharp turn?
Why no marks on the pentagon lawn?
What was up with that white mark on the lawn earlier?
How did the fire get so hot in the WTC that it melted the steel?
How do you explain the secondary 'blasts"?
Where did the gold go?
How is it possible that the buildings collapsed straight down?

etc.

I don't know what to think anymore, but shame on our President that I have grown to mistrust him so much(WMD, Wire Taps, War), that I actually have to think about whether or not he or his croonies(sp) had anything to do with that. I just pray that the next President does what is need to clear up this mess, bring as many of our soldiers home as safe as possible, and brings the nation back together.

I have to go to the store tonight. I think I am going to pick up some extra strength tinfoil.

😕
 
Ok, for all those that say that there were explosions in the basement of the WTC that brought the building down, how in the world do you explain the fact that the collapse started from the location where the planes hit the buildings? Did firefighters get through to the floors that were filled with burning jet fuel and plant explosives then get back out (keep in mind that even if you don't think the jet fuel was enough to melt the steel it was still burning hot enough to make placing explosives a problem), or were the explosives pre-positioned? And if they were pre positioned then were there explosives all through the wtc and they just detonated a specific group of them, or did they know which exact floors the planes would hit at? Also, how in the world did pre-positioned explosives survive the impact of the plane and the fires for 1 hour without premature detonation?
 
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