8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[VirtualLarry]

I have an expectation of dating Natalie Portman, but somehow I don't think that's happening either. Ultimately, you can only get what's available.

Perhaps you should show him some mining boom prices to show him how good he's got it.

Having the expectation of dating Natalie Portman, is probably more likely, than ever getting a "good deal" or "good value" from an NVidia product. Especially among times of "Greedflation".

Look at JaysTwoCents NVidia 4060ti 8/16GB shill video he just released. He's referring to the fact that the MSRP is not much if any changed from prior x60ti cards, WHILE TOTALLY GLOSSING OVER THE SHINKFLATION IN MODEL NUMBERS (that being that the 4060 is really a 4050, etc., bus widths, GPU chip numbers, etc.).

As far as I'm concerned, that level of omission, and trying to justify their pricing as a "good value" for 40-series, makes him a total shill. I may never watch another of his videos.

HWUB had quite a different take, BTW, and was more honest.

 

[aigomorla]

I have an expectation of dating Natalie Portman, but somehow I don't think that's happening either. Ultimately, you can only get what's available.

Perhaps you should show him some mining boom prices to show him how good he's got it.

maybe sometimes when you wish upon the right star...
well in this case i guess its litteral.

Double Date with Natalie Portman and Benjamin Millepied in LA

YOU AND A FRIEND WILL: Sit VIP with Natalie Portman and Benjamin Millepied at an L.A. Dance Project ballet performance Hang out, snap selfies and get to know Natalie and Benjamin over drinks Head backstage for a behind-the-scenes look at the show directed by Benjamin himself Be flown out to Los...

www.omaze.com

 

[Aapje]

From what I've seen, Jay is not so much a shill, but both extremely privileged and lazy. He also seems to have become bored with a lot of the things that get him clicks and would prefer to just play video games, play music, tinker with cars and with computers. He's really utterly lost touch and sees everything that is not God-tier as 'for the little people' that he doesn't care about.

HWUB actually cares about value and Jay simply doesn't.

 

[aigomorla]

From what I've seen, Jay is not so much a shill, but both extremely privileged and lazy. He also seems to have become bored with a lot of the things that get him clicks and would prefer to just play video games, play music, tinker with cars and with computers. He's really utterly lost touch and sees everything that is not God-tier as 'for the little people' that he doesn't care about.

HWUB actually cares about value and Jay simply doesn't.

He wasn't even very active at the start of this.
I NEVER saw him at any XS party at CES.
I NEVER saw him at any hosted Gigabyte event.
I NEVER saw him at any hosted ASUS event.

BTW i saw linus all the time as a Rep for NCIX at those events.

He didn't help inovate anything from watercooling.
Which btw, I personally am responsible that you see Standoff's on ALL GPU blocks, after i roasted eK about PCB warping.
*cant find the article with eK on XS.. it was too long ago.*

I also invented the first water cooled full board block in colaboration with a guy named Bei Fei on the ASUS Deluxe board. Along with Water bridges to jump from one cold plate to another.

XtremeSystems Forums

I also brought out silver kill coils to watercooling thanks to a friend named Ianh

Xs Unite! We Want Silver!

Okey im tired of waiting for a vendor to come out with silver again. Seeing how this thread worked on a D5 top, heres crossing my fingers at silver. We want silver! Theres a growing market on silver demand because we dont want any foamy coolant, or mystery gell stuff. So let me start...

www.xtremesystems.org

I was also a heavy sponsor of Martin's Liquid Lab.

But no one remembers me like Jay. :\'
Then again, my other name is Naekuh which probably is more well known.

*goes off playing my very tiny violin*

 

[Aapje]

@aigomorla

People who are good at talking always get more recognition than those who are good at doing.

 

[In2Photos]

From what I've seen, Jay is not so much a shill, but both extremely privileged and lazy. He also seems to have become bored with a lot of the things that get him clicks and would prefer to just play video games, play music, tinker with cars and with computers. He's really utterly lost touch and sees everything that is not God-tier as 'for the little people' that he doesn't care about.

HWUB actually cares about value and Jay simply doesn't.

This was the first video of Jays that I voted down (the 4060 announcement). He does seem to have lost touch with some of the viewership. But I do seem to recall he has been dealing with some kind of health issues so perhaps his mind is a little elsewhere.

 

[In2Photos]

@aigomorla

People who are good at talking always get more recognition than those who are good at doing.

Depends on the genre!

 

[Thunder 57]

$399 & $499. LMAO.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti rumored to cost $399 (8GB) and $499 (16GB) - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti has rumored prices MEGAsizeGPU, an NVIDIA hardware leaker who is rarely wrong has just shared the first pricing rumors for NVIDIA’s upcoming RTX 4060 Ti series. According to the leaker, there should be a $100 price gap between the 8GB and 16GB version. The cheaper SKU is said...

videocardz.com

If true this is utter garbage. Same price as a two year old 3060Ti with 35% less bandwidth, a bit less power, and (probably) not much faster.

And they're trying to tell us 8GB VRAM costs $100. Pffff.

As I said above, this is NV's 14+++++ nm because they're a monopoly. Like Intel's 4 cores with +5% performance and a forced motherboard upgrade every 18 months.

You're measuring the bandwidth wrong. Look at the effective bandwidth! /s

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So are these cards expected to struggle like hell at 1440p with that 128 bit bus?

 

[Aapje]

So are these cards expected to struggle like hell at 1440p with that 128 bit bus?

The 6650 XT is 84% of the 3070 at 1080p and 78% at 1440p. However, the all so important 1% lows see a bit bigger gap, at 90% vs 82%.

So there is a noticable drop, but it will probably still cope.

 

[In2Photos]

So are these cards expected to struggle like hell at 1440p with that 128 bit bus?

Nvidia says the L2 cache will compensate for the lower bus. And they always tell the truth!

 

[Thunder 57]

So are these cards expected to struggle like hell at 1440p with that 128 bit bus?

"Just use DLSS 3 you idiot!" - Nvidia, or a fanboy would say. Perhaps in nicer sounding words though.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

So are these cards expected to struggle like hell at 1440p with that 128 bit bus?

You can already do a pretty good guess by looking at the Ada laptop reviews, just add another ~15% performance to It.
At 1440p they are doing fine. If you want RT then that leaves you with only Full HD resolution unless you enable DLSS.

 

[NTMBK]

The best option is just not to buy this crap. Be creative and play older games that you missed the first time around or just accept that you have to lower settings more for a while.

The more this generation fails to sell, the better they are going to make the next generation, if they actually still are about large sales. We've already seen that they can't even wait that long and have to discount the current generation, although I doubt that it will ever become a good deal.

100% this. I'm hanging onto my 1060 6GB until I can't make it last any longer.

 

[BFG10K]

NV PR running damage control:

A Deeper Look At VRAM On GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards

What is VRAM? How much do I need? Does bus width matter? These questions and more are answered in our new explainer article.

www.nvidia.com

The obfuscation is strong with that one, like the implication that lower memory hits due to the cache somehow removes the need to have the data in VRAM in the first place. As if the textures can live in lalala-land or something.

And guys, guys, nVidia has released 3 new tools to degrade image quality ever further. You know, because 8GB is totally not their fault, yo.

 

[maddie]

NV PR running damage control:

A Deeper Look At VRAM On GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards

What is VRAM? How much do I need? Does bus width matter? These questions and more are answered in our new explainer article.

www.nvidia.com

The obfuscation is strong with that one, like the implication that lower memory hits due to the cache somehow removes the need to have the data in VRAM in the first place. As if the textures can live in lalala-land or something.

And guys, guys, nVidia has released 3 new tools to degrade image quality ever further. You know, because 8GB is totally not their fault, yo.

One thing I really hate is attempts to deceive. Some try to wrap it in noble sounding reasons, which only compound the stink of it all.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

NV PR running damage control:

A Deeper Look At VRAM On GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards

What is VRAM? How much do I need? Does bus width matter? These questions and more are answered in our new explainer article.

www.nvidia.com

The obfuscation is strong with that one, like the implication that lower memory hits due to the cache somehow removes the need to have the data in VRAM in the first place. As if the textures can live in lalala-land or something.

And guys, guys, nVidia has released 3 new tools to degrade image quality ever further. You know, because 8GB is totally not their fault, yo.

- I'm a little shocked frankly. Nvidia tends to float above this stuff, but this gen we've already had an "unlaunching" and then NV actually justifying their memory layout instead of going the "shut up and buy" route... it honestly feels more indicative of panic in NV's marketing team than anything we've seen before.

Its almost like they know they're launching deeply uninspiring products into a very very soft market and suddenly have to justify their paychecks.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Could be they are getting a lot of flak from angry 4070 Ti owners who are pissed that the 4060 Ti gets 16GB while they have to make do with only 12GB, despite paying more.

 

[Hitman928]

- I'm a little shocked frankly. Nvidia tends to float above this stuff, but this gen we've already had an "unlaunching" and then NV actually justifying their memory layout instead of going the "shut up and buy" route... it honestly feels more indicative of panic in NV's marketing team than anything we've seen before.

Its almost like they know they're launching deeply uninspiring products into a very very soft market and suddenly have to justify their paychecks.

Nvidia releases their next earnings report on Wed. That might shed some light into their changing tactics.

 

[Saylick]

NV PR running damage control:

A Deeper Look At VRAM On GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards

What is VRAM? How much do I need? Does bus width matter? These questions and more are answered in our new explainer article.

www.nvidia.com

The obfuscation is strong with that one, like the implication that lower memory hits due to the cache somehow removes the need to have the data in VRAM in the first place. As if the textures can live in lalala-land or something.

And guys, guys, nVidia has released 3 new tools to degrade image quality ever further. You know, because 8GB is totally not their fault, yo.

Classic Nvidia. Just deflect, deflect, deflect. Bumpgate? Nope, not our problem. It was Apple's fault. Last 0.5GB on GTX 970 slow as molasses? Nope, not our problem. At least we gave you 4 GB.

And now this...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

- I'm a little shocked frankly. Nvidia tends to float above this stuff, but this gen we've already had an "unlaunching" and then NV actually justifying their memory layout instead of going the "shut up and buy" route... it honestly feels more indicative of panic in NV's marketing team than anything we've seen before.

Its almost like they know they're launching deeply uninspiring products into a very very soft market and suddenly have to justify their paychecks.

Leather Jacket man just took a 2.5 million pay cut. Don't know how he will be able to get by on 21 million plus all the other compensations. Looks like that spatula collection is going to gather dust for awhile. ☠️/s

 

[Saylick]

Nvidia releases their next earnings report on Wed. That might shed some light into their changing tactics.

They'll just report flat-ish revenue on the consumer gaming segment, then immediately change topic and hammer home how much their server GPU sales are growing due to AI, AI, AI. JHH apparently said those two magical letters 91 times in their last earnings report, and I expect him to breach triple digits this time.

 

[Aapje]

Nvidia releases their next earnings report on Wed. That might shed some light into their changing tactics.

It's going to be fun to see the damage control.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

About blaming the devs.

According to a 3D modeling dev, it is faster to add the high polygon count models to the game engine and have them rendered in real time. The retopology process for reduced poly count models adds on to it. Time is money, so faster wins out. Which results in higher requirements.

It seems as though games like the Last of Us are doing the retopology process given how much better the textures look at 1080 medium than at launch. Just a guess.

 

[moonbogg]

I think Nvidia's earned themselves a boycott.