8800GTX to be 30% faster than ATI's X1950XTX. GTS to be about equal to it.

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Would be strange if suddenly nVIDIA had the IQ crown and ATi had the speed crown next gen. Aww The irony..

Yeah, that would be sweet. Then I'd have an excuse to use EVGA again. I do miss certain things about Nvidia and hope that the G80 doesn't dissapoint. If the IQ is in their favor and is unanswered by the competition, I'll glady buy when the demand is high.

Finally i could update my FX5700. since G80 could potentially bring both substantial performance and IQ, something that nVIDIA and ATi lacked last gen. (in a sense that they failed to bring that "whole" package. If you bought nVIDIA you had to sacrifice this and that, while ATi had to sacrifice this and etc).

8800GTS looks to be my next card.

I don't know, the same people who were trying to ride the whole "It takes too many watts!!" parade with the X1900's are going to have to rethink those words if they're thinking about this G80. Sacrifices will still be there, and I'm wondering what those will be besides power for the G80. I remember hearing how it might perform like a monster in some things but fall flat on its face in others.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Finally i could update my FX5700.
8800GTS looks to be my next card.

You'll notice a bit more than 30%

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Finally i could update my FX5700.
8800GTS looks to be my next card.

You'll notice a bit more than 30%

I did play doom3 with the FX5700 at 800x600, med quality, all settings turned on, vysnc and 2xAA. Got a whopping 21 fps average. Yet people in these forums think 40fps at some much higher settings (1600x1200, 4xAA etc) arent smooth enough to play.

 

[BFG10K]

where is rollo?

Banned. Twice.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: josh6079
700 Million is pretty steep for such a nanometer. Why again does the memory not match with the rumor of a dual-core?

I wouldn't be as impressed if it were only 2x192Bit or 256Bit + 128Bit rather then the full 384 Bit Wide Memory Interface. This isn't a CPU like Intel where the memory controller is somewhere else, it's still suppoed to be on die.

If the Dual Resistors on the back of the snapshots are supposed to imply Dual Die, since they are symmetrical, working on the assumption that it is Dual Core for now, that would imply a symmetrical 2 Dies.

The key issue is the memory controller on the die itself. How would it work? It would be something completely new and different from before on desktop graphics cards, as we have seen 2 dies on 2 packages on 1 PCB ala Voodoo 5, Rage Fury Max, 6800 GT Dual. We have seen the use of 2 PCB's for 2 Packages and 2 Dies with an SLI bridge with the GX2 Series.

2 Dies on a Single Package, well... we will have to see won't we.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: josh6079
700 Million is pretty steep for such a nanometer. Why again does the memory not match with the rumor of a dual-core?

Cores might not be identical. Might not be an SLI implementation at all but shaders off on another core? I don't know but it looks like two cores on resistor pack and logically 1 inch of silicone makes no economic sense.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2610&p=8

I am just interested how would the 2 cores communicate if they were indeed 2 Cores into Multi Die configuration who knows.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: munky
In case this hasn't been mentioned yet... those numbers seem too low
Later NV will release more mature drivers, and maybe make a few IQ "optomizations" along the way to boost those scores, but even so, it seems too low. This is either a fake report (remember Sander Sassen's underwhelming r520 benches?), or Nv is really gonna take advantage of the delayed competition, and pull another 7800gtx launch, charging a premium price for hardware with conservative specs. I just hope they don't pull another 7800gtx512 when the r600 finally does launch... :laugh:

actually considering this GPU is like nothing before it, 30% doesnt seem that bad. it will take time for the driver team to really get cooking with some good drivers for this card

they've just moved from seperate PS and VS to unified shaders... its not gonna be all rosy is it?

 

[Griswold]

It appears that they pulled this "article". Interesting.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Griswold
It appears that they pulled this "article". Interesting.

Wonder why they did that? Methinks Nvidia just rammed it's foot up PCWelts buttocks.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Griswold
It appears that they pulled this "article". Interesting.

Wonder why they did that? Methinks Nvidia just rammed it's foot up PCWelts buttocks.

Or they found out that their sources are humbug. Actually, much more likely than nvidia trying to stop them from spreading (more) rumors.

 

[apoppin]

Breaking News



theInq

Nvidia's G80 has problems - SLI and HDCP broken for now

it seems G80 has a lot broken, some that will be fixed before launch, and some may be harder to fix.

Drivers on the 25th October will fix SLI, as we understand it is pretty badly borked in the current release. How badly? Enough to crash almost every time, said one source, and so basically unusable.

We have a lot of confidence this will be fixed before launch, possibly in the driver set we told you about earlier. I would only rate this as a corporate embarrassment that will hopefully never leak due to "strong and respected NDAs". The "editors" are wearing chastity belts designed to preserve the new Dawn's virginity.

The more troubling news is that we hear HDCP is badly borked in the first rev. Since we are not sure if this problem is hardware or software, if you care about jumping on the DRM infection train, you might want to look long and hard before you buy a G80.

Nvidia has something of a history of shipping broken functionality and not so much as correcting it on the box. Wait for independent reviews from people not wearing chastity belts that test this before you buy.

Last up, we hear that in the forthcoming 95 series drivers the classic display panels are gone for good.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Breaking News



theInq

Nvidia's G80 has problems - SLI and HDCP broken for now

it seems G80 has a lot broken, some that will be fixed before launch, and some may be harder to fix.

Drivers on the 25th October will fix SLI, as we understand it is pretty badly borked in the current release. How badly? Enough to crash almost every time, said one source, and so basically unusable.

We have a lot of confidence this will be fixed before launch, possibly in the driver set we told you about earlier. I would only rate this as a corporate embarrassment that will hopefully never leak due to "strong and respected NDAs". The "editors" are wearing chastity belts designed to preserve the new Dawn's virginity.

The more troubling news is that we hear HDCP is badly borked in the first rev. Since we are not sure if this problem is hardware or software, if you care about jumping on the DRM infection train, you might want to look long and hard before you buy a G80.

Nvidia has something of a history of shipping broken functionality and not so much as correcting it on the box. Wait for independent reviews from people not wearing chastity belts that test this before you buy.

Last up, we hear that in the forthcoming 95 series drivers the classic display panels are gone for good.

Not belittling HDCP, but will I ever need this? I don't believe I need it now, unless I'm really missing out on something good. And I don't forsee myself getting an SLI setup, although that will be fixed.

I fully expect there to be some problems with a brand new architecture, with fixer upper revisions to follow. This pretty much goes without saying. This may be a repeat of PureVideo, although I have no clue what HDCP would be used for. Pure Video seems to be ok now. Thoughts?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
Breaking News



theInq

Nvidia's G80 has problems - SLI and HDCP broken for now

it seems G80 has a lot broken, some that will be fixed before launch, and some may be harder to fix.

Drivers on the 25th October will fix SLI, as we understand it is pretty badly borked in the current release. How badly? Enough to crash almost every time, said one source, and so basically unusable.

We have a lot of confidence this will be fixed before launch, possibly in the driver set we told you about earlier. I would only rate this as a corporate embarrassment that will hopefully never leak due to "strong and respected NDAs". The "editors" are wearing chastity belts designed to preserve the new Dawn's virginity.

The more troubling news is that we hear HDCP is badly borked in the first rev. Since we are not sure if this problem is hardware or software, if you care about jumping on the DRM infection train, you might want to look long and hard before you buy a G80.

Nvidia has something of a history of shipping broken functionality and not so much as correcting it on the box. Wait for independent reviews from people not wearing chastity belts that test this before you buy.

Last up, we hear that in the forthcoming 95 series drivers the classic display panels are gone for good.

Not belittling HDCP, but will I ever need this? I don't believe I need it now, unless I'm really missing out on something good. And I don't forsee myself getting an SLI setup, although that will be fixed.

I fully expect there to be some problems with a brand new architecture, with fixer upper revisions to follow. This pretty much goes without saying. This may be a repeat of PureVideo, although I have no clue what HDCP would be used for. Pure Video seems to be ok now. Thoughts?

ever ?. . . of course . . . HD DVD and blueray . . . with Vista
[they are saying 'consider it' IF you are considering g80]

You don't need DX 10 . . . now . . . either . . .
. . . or probably not in the useful lifetime of g80

i didn't make up this news . . . i just posted it . . . for 'thoughts'

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
Breaking News



theInq

Nvidia's G80 has problems - SLI and HDCP broken for now

it seems G80 has a lot broken, some that will be fixed before launch, and some may be harder to fix.

Drivers on the 25th October will fix SLI, as we understand it is pretty badly borked in the current release. How badly? Enough to crash almost every time, said one source, and so basically unusable.

We have a lot of confidence this will be fixed before launch, possibly in the driver set we told you about earlier. I would only rate this as a corporate embarrassment that will hopefully never leak due to "strong and respected NDAs". The "editors" are wearing chastity belts designed to preserve the new Dawn's virginity.

The more troubling news is that we hear HDCP is badly borked in the first rev. Since we are not sure if this problem is hardware or software, if you care about jumping on the DRM infection train, you might want to look long and hard before you buy a G80.

Nvidia has something of a history of shipping broken functionality and not so much as correcting it on the box. Wait for independent reviews from people not wearing chastity belts that test this before you buy.

Last up, we hear that in the forthcoming 95 series drivers the classic display panels are gone for good.

Not belittling HDCP, but will I ever need this? I don't believe I need it now, unless I'm really missing out on something good. And I don't forsee myself getting an SLI setup, although that will be fixed.

I fully expect there to be some problems with a brand new architecture, with fixer upper revisions to follow. This pretty much goes without saying. This may be a repeat of PureVideo, although I have no clue what HDCP would be used for. Pure Video seems to be ok now. Thoughts?

ever ?. . . of course . . . HD DVD and blueray . . . with Vista
[they are saying 'consider it' IF you are considering g80]

You don't need DX 10 . . . now . . . either . . .
. . . or probably not in the useful lifetime of g80

i didn't make up this news . . . i just posted it . . . for 'thoughts'

Text

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i didn't make up this news . . . i just posted it . . . for 'thoughts'

No, you didn't make it up.

 

[apoppin]

exactly what nvidia says

"what problems"
:Q



there are NO problems with G80
<<any perceived G80 shortcomings can be directly tied to ATi's PR sewer system . . . fanatics . . . and uneducated reviewers>>

uh huh

 

[Sable]

I suppose this is what they get for rushing a product to market because they know it's inferior to the oppositions card.:shocked:

(lets see how many people bite :evil: )

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Sable
I suppose this is what they get for rushing a product to market because they know it's inferior to the oppositions card.:shocked:

(lets see how many people bite :evil: )

i certainly hope the rumours of leaked "+30% over xtx" is hugely underestimated . . . or it IS another NV30 launch

imo this is crucial for nvidia

IF nvidia fails with g80 .... i don't think the company will be even recognizable 5 years from now.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: apoppin
IF nvidia fails with g80 .... i don't think the company will be even recognizable 5 years from now.

Surely you underestimate NV's marketing department... just look how far it got them already!

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Text

That response only meant that an Editor of B3D cannot discuss any alleged problems because of existing NDA's. It doesn't mean that problems don't exist.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

In approximately 2 weeks we'll find out whether G80 is a monster or a steaming pile, because we've seen rumors suggesting that either extreme is possible.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin
exactly what nvidia says

"what problems"
:Q



there are NO problems with G80
<<any perceived G80 shortcomings can be directly tied to ATi's PR sewer system . . . fanatics . . . and uneducated reviewers>>

uh huh

Well, anythings possible I guess.

 

[Creig]

Asus EN8800GTX box, card, software, features and specs



EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M , is: USD $540 (FOB).
EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M , is: USD $410 (FOB).

ASUS Exclusive Innovations

HDCP Compliant: Allow playback of HD DVD, Blu-Ray Disc and other protected content at full HDresolutions
Built for Microsoft? Windows Vista?
ASUS Splendid: Watching movies on PC is as good as on Top-of-the-line consumer television
ASUS Video Security Online: Keep an eye on your home at all times no matter where you are
ASUS Game LiveShow: Stream live gaming action onto the internet and share with other gaming enthusiast
ASUS Game Replay: Recording gaming action and strategy into MPEG4 files to share with other gaming enthusiast
ASUS Game FaceMessenger: Easy IM and live game conference in any PC games
ASUS OnScreenDisplay: Adjust the fame settings and enhance gaming experience without leaving the game


Graphics GPU Feature

?? NVIDIA? GeForce 8800GTX
?? Built for Microsoft? Windows Vista??? NVIDIA SLI? Technology ready
?? NVIDIA? unified architecture with GigaThread? technology
?? Full support for Microsoft DirectX10.0 and ShaderModel 4.0 enables stunning and complex specialeffects
?? OpenGL?2.0 support
?? NVIDIA? Quantum Effects? Technology
?? True 128-bit floating point high dynamic-range (HDR) lighting
?? Two dual-link DVI outputs support two 2560x1600 resolution displays


Hardware Specification

Model EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M
Graphics Engine GeForce 8800GTX
Video Memory 768MB DDR3
Engine Clock 575MHz
Memory Clock 1.8GHz (900MHz DDR3)
Memory Interface 384-bit
Max. Resolution Up to 2560 x 1600
Bus Standard PCI Express X16
VGA Output YES, via DVI to VGA Adapter
HDTV Output YES, via HDTV Out cable
TV Output YES, via S-Video to Composite
DVI Output DVI-I
Dual DVI Output YES
HDCP Compliant YES

Adaptor/Cable Bundled DVI to VGA adapter
Power Cable*2
HDTV-out cable

Software Bundled 3D Game: Ghost Recon, GTI Racing
3Dmark06
ASUS Utilities & Driver

[??]
Specifications are subject to change without notice.
?PCB color and bundled software versions are change without notice.
?Brand and product names mentioned are trademarks of their respective company.
?? Note: Two 6-pins supplementary power connectors inside the box


Link posted by INKster at Beyond3D.

 

[nitromullet]

Nice find!

I'm guessing the top picture is the GTX and bottom pic is the GTS.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I'm guessing the top picture is the GTX and bottom pic is the GTS.

I'd say you're correct. The card in the top picture has five vents in the shroud compared to four in the bottom card. Plus the top card appears to be longer than the bottom one.