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OdiN

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
The problem with Bonds is that not only is he a cheater, but he is a pompous prick that has made no attempt to show any sense of humility. He has treated the media like garbage for decades, and has a really nasty chip on his shoulder.
While I'd agree that he's a prick....the media doesn't deserve to be treated much better than garbage.
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
Using steroids was not against the rules of MLB and he has never been caught or suspended for using performance enhancing drugs.


wrong. He was caught using amphetamines in baseball this or early last year. He has also admittied he used roids.



 

Squisher

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Aug 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
Using steroids was not against the rules of MLB and he has never been caught or suspended for using performance enhancing drugs.
Wikipedia:
A memo circulated in 1991 by baseball commissioner Fay Vincent said, "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited ... [and those players involved] are subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game.... This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids?"
 

wyvrn

Lifer
Feb 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
The problem I have with this is you cannot prove what steroids did for his home run totals (making the assumption that he did use them).

First, you still have to hit a baseball, and no amount of steroids is going to help you do that. Barry had talent that is undeniable, and is one of the few human beings on earth that could hit both a 95mph fastball and a major league curve in the stands. The only thing steroids could have done is make him more powerful and hit balls longer distances. He was already a power hitter though, so how do you prove how many of his home runs needed the benefit of whatever steroids gave him? And ask other people have mentioned, he was probably facing a lot of pitchers who were also juiced. Just look at how many people can throw in the high 90s versus how many there were 15 years ago, and you have to think steroids is all over baseball and not just the hitters.
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
The problem I have with this is you cannot prove what steroids did for his home run totals (making the assumption that he did use them).

First, you still have to hit a baseball, and no amount of steroids is going to help you do that. Barry had talent that is undeniable, and is one of the few human beings on earth that could hit both a 95mph fastball and a major league curve in the stands. The only thing steroids could have done is make him more powerful and hit balls longer distances. He was already a power hitter though, so how do you prove how many of his home runs needed the benefit of whatever steroids gave him? And ask other people have mentioned, he was probably facing a lot of pitchers who were also juiced. Just look at how many people can throw in the high 90s versus how many there were 15 years ago, and you have to think steroids is all over baseball and not just the hitters.
Wrong. Steroids make you stronger. Being stronger makes your swing faster. Having a faster swing allows you wait a longer time to judge a pitch. If you can have the patience to wait and discern fastball/curve/slider/changeup and then the muscle to act on your judgment you will be a very rich man.



 

tm37

Lifer
Jan 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
Using steroids was not against the rules of MLB and he has never been caught or suspended for using performance enhancing drugs.


wrong. He was caught using amphetamines in baseball this or early last year. He has also admittied he used roids.

When did he admit it? BEcause that would be the news story for a week.

One of the issues is that he has repeatly stated that he did not use it. His Trainor is in Jail because HE will not answer questions on what he gasve to Bonds. Bonds is being indited for purgery because he told the grand jury he never did it.
 

wyvrn

Lifer
Feb 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Squisher
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
The problem I have with this is you cannot prove what steroids did for his home run totals (making the assumption that he did use them).

First, you still have to hit a baseball, and no amount of steroids is going to help you do that. Barry had talent that is undeniable, and is one of the few human beings on earth that could hit both a 95mph fastball and a major league curve in the stands. The only thing steroids could have done is make him more powerful and hit balls longer distances. He was already a power hitter though, so how do you prove how many of his home runs needed the benefit of whatever steroids gave him? And ask other people have mentioned, he was probably facing a lot of pitchers who were also juiced. Just look at how many people can throw in the high 90s versus how many there were 15 years ago, and you have to think steroids is all over baseball and not just the hitters.
Wrong. Steroids make you stronger. Being stronger makes your swing faster. Having a faster swing allows you wait a longer time to judge a pitch. If you can have the patience to wait and discern fastball/curve/slider/changeup and then the muscle to act on your judgment you will be a very rich man.
Show me scientific proof of where brute strength equates to a 'faster' swing. You aren't going to find it.

 

jman19

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Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
And yet no one cares that Neifi Perez was just suspended for 80 games for testing positive for stimulants a 3rd time. Barry Bonds is the Sony and Walmart of baseball. Everyone loves to hate him.
If you don't understand why people care more about Bonds than Neifi Perez, then you're pretty dense.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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www.ShawCAD.com
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070805/D8QQR4K01.html

This sort of thing pisses me off. It was only a couple years ago I got back into baseball after their strike ruined the game for alot of us.

High above the field in a private box, baseball commissioner Bud Selig was a reluctant witness to history. Choosing to overlook the steroid allegations that have dogged the San Francisco slugger, Selig watched Bonds tie Hank Aaron's home run record - his mouth agape, hands stuffed in pockets and nary a cheer on his lips.
...
No matter what anybody thinks of the controversy surrounding this event, Mr. Bonds' achievement is noteworthy and remarkable," Selig said in a statement.

Selig said either he or a representative would attend the Giants' next few games "out of respect for the tradition of the game, the magnitude of the record and the fact that all citizens in this country are innocent until proven guilty."
Bud Selig should be happy about this event, yet he's acting like a little grumpy troll. Sure, he's beating the crap out of your freind's record - so? That doesn't mean you can act like an ass and not promote your sport and it's great athletic achievements like this. This record has stood for decades and all Selig gives is a meh. What a loser.:thumbsdown:

Bud Selig - quit trying to ruin baseball. Start supporting your sport and make sure your personal crap doesn't get in the way again.

<- pissed off baseball fan



(oh and I don't care what you think of Bond's alledged steroid use. Ever try hitting a 90+mph pitch? Didn't think so - it takes skill, not muscle to put the bat on the ball)
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: Squisher
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: LoKe
How is it impressive if he used steroids? Especially when it's a record based directly on hitting power?
How many of the pitchers that he faced were up to the same thing that he was?

There's no way to know.
That means nothing. As a direct result of his cheating he holds this record.
The problem I have with this is you cannot prove what steroids did for his home run totals (making the assumption that he did use them).

First, you still have to hit a baseball, and no amount of steroids is going to help you do that. Barry had talent that is undeniable, and is one of the few human beings on earth that could hit both a 95mph fastball and a major league curve in the stands. The only thing steroids could have done is make him more powerful and hit balls longer distances. He was already a power hitter though, so how do you prove how many of his home runs needed the benefit of whatever steroids gave him? And ask other people have mentioned, he was probably facing a lot of pitchers who were also juiced. Just look at how many people can throw in the high 90s versus how many there were 15 years ago, and you have to think steroids is all over baseball and not just the hitters.
Wrong. Steroids make you stronger. Being stronger makes your swing faster. Having a faster swing allows you wait a longer time to judge a pitch. If you can have the patience to wait and discern fastball/curve/slider/changeup and then the muscle to act on your judgment you will be a very rich man.
Show me scientific proof of where brute strength equates to a 'faster' swing. You aren't going to find it.
It doesn't take Einstein to figure out that your average 18 year old swings a bat faster than your average 8 year old. Why? Maybe because the the 18 year old is stronger?

Is anyone denying that a trained athlete is better then an untrained athlete? What do steroids do? They make your muscle recovery time shorter. You can train more and yet muscles can recover. Take your average Joe and have him swing a bat for the first time in his life. He will swing it at a slower rate than that same Joe who spends his life playing baseball and learning to swing a faster bat. Give that Joe steroids and he can train more.


 

LikeLinus

Lifer
Jul 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Squisher
It doesn't take Einstein to figure out that your average 18 year old swings a bat faster than your average 8 year old. Why? Maybe because the the 18 year old is stronger?
But it does apparently take an idiot to think an fully developed 18 year old is a good comparison to a pre-pubescent 8 year old boy as far as strength.
 

DLeRium

Lifer
Feb 19, 2001
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Why the hell is the Giants game not in 720p? This looks like 480 to me... =(
 

Looney

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Barry Bonds Career home leader
* Steroids
* Prick
* Cheater
* Hated by the media
* Hated by teamates

Did anyone notice how the team just hung out in the dugout?
When did he cheat?

BTW, lots of his teammates came out and congratulated him.
Using an illegal substance is not considered cheating to you?
 

Looney

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Show me scientific proof of where brute strength equates to a 'faster' swing. You aren't going to find it.
Where's the study that finds that brute strength equates to faster sprinter? Yet Ben Johnson got his medal taken away for that.

Do you really think these players are taking steroids so they look better in the mirror?
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Squisher
It doesn't take Einstein to figure out that your average 18 year old swings a bat faster than your average 8 year old. Why? Maybe because the the 18 year old is stronger?
But it does apparently take an idiot to think an fully developed 18 year old is a good comparison to a pre-pubescent 8 year old boy as far as strength.
So I would be more intelligent if my comparisons had more subtle differences? I guess I am an idiot because the correlation evades me.
 

91TTZ

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Jan 31, 2005
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Those pictures don't show anything. He got bigger as he got older. So do a lot of people, and they don't use steroids.
 

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