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Zorba

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The lack of background checks and gun show loopholes allowed this child to purchase that gun. We need more commonsense laws.
The lack of responsibility around guns and treating guns like any other fashion accessory is more that likely what lead to this child obtaining the gun. People who fail to secure their guns should face severe consequences.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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Apparently yesterday on the bus my daughter was having some kind of spat with her friend and the friend said "Well, I am just going to get my dad's gun and kill you." Both of them are 6. Of course being from Oklahoma there is a very good chance there are guns just laying around in her house.
 
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The lack of responsibility around guns and treating guns like any other fashion accessory is more that likely what lead to this child obtaining the gun. People who fail to secure their guns should face severe consequences.

Yep. I think all of us sane people on here include the proper storage of weapons with real repercussions if you do not do so as part of our common sense gun reform.

Unfortunately for pieces of shit like brandonbull, they mock when we live in a society where six year olds are now shooting teachers. It's funny to them. They are subhuman creatures.
 
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As a non US citizen, I'm curious how can it not be clear to you what the statistics say. USA gun crimes vs.... any developed country.

The only one that has guns availible at the groceries store, versus all other

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Seems a bit futile going over this again. Nothing's ever going to change in the US.

What does intrigue me about that chart is how bad Greece and Cyprus are. I knew the Baltic states were pretty bad (they have a very high murder rate in general - I presume a combo of left-over Soviet weaponry plus a culture of drinking vodka). Didn't know Greece and Cyprus were so bad.

Also the two lowest rates are both island nations. All the smart folk put their country on an island - it has a lot of benefits.
 

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Seems a bit futile going over this again. Nothing's ever going to change in the US.

What does intrigue me about that chart is how bad Greece and Cyprus are. I knew the Baltic states were pretty bad (they have a very high murder rate in general - I presume a combo of left-over Soviet weaponry plus a culture of drinking vodka). Didn't know Greece and Cyprus were so bad.

Also the two lowest rates are both island nations. All the smart folk put their country on an island - it has a lot of benefits.

Cyprus is an island.

Probably most of the shootings in Cyprus are Russian related. Huge Russian money and business interests there, including the mafia. They tend to just shoot each other, not the locals.
 

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Cyprus is an island.

Good point - it's also a different alcohol culture to the Baltics (not grain-alcohol, wine, or retsina anway not vodka, which is another quite-half-baked theory of mine - that you get different types of crime in different alcohol zones), all the more reason why I find it surprising the gun violence is so bad (by European standards) there.

Probably most of the shootings in Cyprus are Russian related. Huge Russian money and business interests there, including the mafia. They tend to just shoot each other, not the locals.

Could be - though it seems Greece is also quite bad.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Quite bad is certainly relative. Being a USA citizen, gun death comparison is barely even a thing. We know we’re the best at gun deaths, hands up, no contest
 

Moonbeam

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When can I develop natural bullet immunity, lol

The first step is painful. It requires the realization that you actually are in need of it. Look at other people. Find someone who is a smug son of a bitch and suggest to them they are in need of humility, tell them so and then don’t do what they will do when they hear it from you.
 
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Apparently yesterday on the bus my daughter was having some kind of spat with her friend and the friend said "Well, I am just going to get my dad's gone and kill you." Both of them are 6. Of course being from Oklahoma there is a very good chance there are guns just laying around in her house.

I've been on the principal scowling end of that when one of my kids said something similar. We don't even own a gun. But yeah, the fact that it's even a solution for a 6 year old speaks a lot about our society.
 
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I've been on the principal scowling end of that when one of my kids said something similar. We don't even own a gun. But yeah, the fact that it's even a solution for a 6 year old speaks a lot about our society.
One of my high school classmates who is a teacher now - and she teaches kindergarten I think? - posted online that one of her kids threatened to hit her belly while she was pregnant.

America's got a lot of fucking problems 😢
 
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Moonbeam

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This is the world Republicans have created by refusing to do a damn thing about guns.

This is all on them. Fuck all those people.

I think most gun owners want sensible gun laws. Probably the majority of sensible gun owners are Republicans. So why do you blame Republicans for gun violence and availibility due to strong gun sales?

Why is it so hard to understand that we feed guns to people who fear being defensless against others by reason of Democrats seeking to take gun away from owners stripping them of the fantasy of self protection gun ownership allows. In a culture where the worship of hostility to others is part and parcel of a path to manhood and success, along many Democrats come threatening to take away their favorite symbols.

We create what we fear and the fear of being shot by guns is circular. Cut it any way you like but the surest way to stop being shot by a person with a gun at the moment of attack is to get off the first incapacitating shot. Even the simple minded can grasp this.

Democrats, in my opinion, need to define very clearly what reasonable gun laws look like to them and if those include the ban of guns generally gun violence reductions will not be achieved. Everyone is already suspicious that giving an inch will result in the taking of a mile. Fanaticism increased the intrenchment of opinions.
 
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One of my high school classmates who is a teacher now - and she teaches kindergarten I think? - posted online that one of her kids threatened to hit her belly while she was pregnant.

America's got a lot of fucking problems 😢
It has one problem above all others, fear of parents their children will fail to make it in our competative system. We create what we fear. We have a system in which to succeed as a member is to fail as a human being.
 

ch33zw1z

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The first step is painful. It requires the realization that you actually are in need of it. Look at other people. Find someone who is a smug son of a bitch and suggest to them they are in need of humility, tell them so and then don’t do what they will do when they hear it from you.

Ok, I’ll work on developing my all natural body armor
 

Moonbeam

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Ok, I’ll work on developing my all natural body armor

Examine your answer for potential arrogance of assumptions. Do you have any natural body armor? If so is it what you think it is? If it is even what you think it is can you actually develop it? Do you really know how?

If you had not developed a capacity to be an arrogant asshole as a child do you think you could have survived? If not perhaps rather than continuing in the same vein you might try to develop some self pity.

A humble person can't arrogantly assume they were not created with god like potential, right? Denying the truth is arrogance. The least you can do is to admit you don't really know.
 
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Examine your answer for potential arrogance of assumptions. Do you have any natural body armor? If so is it what you think it is? If it is even what you think it is can you actually develop it? Do you really know how?

If you had not developed a capacity to be an arrogant asshole as a child do you think you could have survived? If not perhaps rather than continuing in the same vein you might try to develop some self pity.

A humble person can't arrogantly assume they were not created with god like potential, right? Denying the truth is arrogance. The least you can do is to admit you don't really know.

yawn, you’re affinity for guns is your problem, not mine. Talk yourself in circles all you want, but you just need to tell me when my natural bullet immunity will start. You know, like how humans develop immunity to viruses.
 

Moonbeam

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yawn, you’re affinity for guns is your problem, not mine. Talk yourself in circles all you want, but you just need to tell me when my natural bullet immunity will start. You know, like how humans develop immunity to viruses.
I have told you over and over. The answer to all questions lies in the understanding of why they are asked. Truth does not answer questions, it causes questions to cease to exist. That realization is sometimes called enlightenment.
 

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I think most gun owners want sensible gun laws. Probably the majority of sensible gun owners are Republicans. So why do you blame Republicans for gun violence and availibility due to strong gun sales?

Why is it so hard to understand that we feed guns to people who fear being defensless against others by reason of Democrats seeking to take gun away from owners stripping them of the fantasy of self protection gun ownership allows. In a culture where the worship of hostility to others is part and parcel of a path to manhood and success, along many Democrats come threatening to take away their favorite symbols.

We create what we fear and the fear of being shot by guns is circular. Cut it any way you like but the surest way to stop being shot by a person with a gun at the moment of attack is to get off the first incapacitating shot. Even the simple minded can grasp this.

Democrats, in my opinion, need to define very clearly what reasonable gun laws look like to them and if those include the ban of guns generally gun violence reductions will not be achieved. Everyone is already suspicious that giving an inch will result in the taking of a mile. Fanaticism increased the intrenchment of opinions.

It looks like the rest of the civilized world where 99.99% of people don't own guns. I'm in Canada, the only reason I'd buy a gun is for hunting and those would be long rifles that shoot one bullet at a time. If you need a military weapon to kill a deer, you're too stupid to hunt.

Guns for self defense has more drawbacks than advantages, the US has been proving it for a long time. If the opposite were true, other countries would do the same.
 

Moonbeam

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It looks like the rest of the civilized world where 99.99% of people don't own guns.

What does this sentence mean?

I'm in Canada, the only reason I'd buy a gun is for hunting and those would be long rifles that shoot one bullet at a time. If you need a military weapon to kill a deer, you're too stupid to hunt.

So if you wound your target instead of killing it you will just leave it to suffer and die perhaps days later? Hunting weapons generally fire 5 rounds and an ethical hunter would want to get off a second shot as quickly as possible. In anti gun crazed California the maximum is ten rounds except for tubular magazine rim fire rifles and shot guns for birds.

Your opinion, in my opinion is uninformed. Here is info from what you would regard as a biased source and one I would regard as more honest:

  • AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today’s modern sporting rifle.
  • The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
  • AR-15 and other semi-automatic rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.
  • If someone calls an AR-15 or other semi-automatic rifle an “assault weapon,” he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. “Assault weapon” is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s.
  • AR-15 and other types of semi-automatic rifles may look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.
  • Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in most states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.
  • Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition.
  • These rifles’ accuracy, reliability, ruggedness and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms.
  • Chamberings include .22 LR, .223 Rem (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308 Win, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP are also available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.
  • These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. They’re used for target shooting and competitively in the national matches.
  • AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.
  • The AR-15 platform is modular. Owners like being able to customize the firearm to suit their lawful needs.
  • And, they are a lot of fun to shoot!
Guns for self defense has more drawbacks than advantages, the US has been proving it for a long time. If the opposite were true, other countries would do the same.
They also do not have a 2nd amendment. A sure bet a fascist state will do is to ban private gun ownership.
 

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What does this sentence mean?



So if you wound your target instead of killing it you will just leave it to suffer and die perhaps days later? Hunting weapons generally fire 5 rounds and an ethical hunter would want to get off a second shot as quickly as possible. In anti gun crazed California the maximum is ten rounds except for tubular magazine rim fire rifles and shot guns for birds.

Your opinion, in my opinion is uninformed. Here is info from what you would regard as a biased source and one I would regard as more honest:

  • AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today’s modern sporting rifle.
  • The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
  • AR-15 and other semi-automatic rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.
  • If someone calls an AR-15 or other semi-automatic rifle an “assault weapon,” he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. “Assault weapon” is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s.
  • AR-15 and other types of semi-automatic rifles may look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.
  • Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in most states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.
  • Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition.
  • These rifles’ accuracy, reliability, ruggedness and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms.
  • Chamberings include .22 LR, .223 Rem (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308 Win, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP are also available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.
  • These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. They’re used for target shooting and competitively in the national matches.
  • AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.
  • The AR-15 platform is modular. Owners like being able to customize the firearm to suit their lawful needs.
  • And, they are a lot of fun to shoot!

They also do not have a 2nd amendment. A sure bet a fascist state will do is to ban private gun ownership.


You asked what sane gun laws look like... The sentence means: just look outside your own country if you want examples.

Not gonna bother reading all that bs, it just shows you're a gun nut LOL.

And about the 2nd amendment: you think all countries without it are fascist? Maybe it's time you travel out of the US a little.
 
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Moonbeam

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You asked what sane gun laws look like... The sentence means: just look outside your own country if you want examples.

Not gonna bother reading all that bs, it just shows you're a gun nut LOL.

And about the 2nd amendment: you think all countries without it are fascist? Maybe it's time you travel out of the US a little.
Thank you for your clarification. As I said, the rest of the world does not have our second amendment. In the US banning guns is illegal. That means that whatever the rest of the world looks like means nothing here. Any change attempt to ban guns will require a 2nd amendment repeal. Despite your imagination your hand is not a girl. Like Republicans, also, I see you do not like being confronted with information that challenges your beliefs.
 
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I have told you over and over. The answer to all questions lies in the understanding of why they are asked. Truth does not answer questions, it causes questions to cease to exist. That realization is sometimes called enlightenment.

so basically never, thanks for confirming.
 
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