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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Still haven't had anyone tell me in person that they liked Vista at all. Two more Vista to XP conversions this past week. I guess Vista hate = profit for me 🙂
Thats because everyone on Vista is too busy having fun 😉
 
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Still haven't had anyone tell me in person that they liked Vista at all. Two more Vista to XP conversions this past week. I guess Vista hate = profit for me 🙂
Thats because everyone on Vista is too busy having fun 😉

enjoying all those new features listed above in the thread. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: juktar
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Still haven't had anyone tell me in person that they liked Vista at all. Two more Vista to XP conversions this past week. I guess Vista hate = profit for me 🙂

Change is a scary thing. The same thing happened in Win98 to 2k, 2k to XP. People like to use stuff they are comfortable with.

True,plus most users that buy from Dell are not all that computer savy anyway,I'm really impressed with Vista x64,just can't wait for DX10 games and XP to be phased out(sooner the better).
 
Heck running Vista right now is kind of like running Linux. You need to hack and teak it just a little to suit your needs.

I was also wondering are you having to disable IPv6 in Vista? Is it causing any slow down problems?

Change is kind of scary.....But 6 months down the road you just have to smile about what all you have learned and how far you have advanced.
 
Originally posted by: doog519
Heck running Vista right now is kind of like running Linux. You need to hack and teak it just a little to suit your needs.
I disagree on that point in my experience.

I have a PC in my livingroom hooked up to the TV that has been running XP MCE 2005 for about a year and half. To get it to look and work like another piece of CE equipment with acceptable sound and video quality, I've had to try and tweak various vid card drivers, sound card drivers, tuner card drivers, tuner card reg hacks, and various mpeg2 decoders for countless hours. It worked well, never crashed and was easy to use once all set up though.

The other day, I decided to bite the bullet and set it up with Vista. After ghosting the MCE install just in case, 30-45 minutes later, I had a fully functioning Media Center box. All the builtin drivers and mpeg2 decoder gave me A/V quality better than my previous install. All my album art for music was downloaded and displayed. Everything "just works."

I've found things to be about this easy for just about every Vista box I've worked on/purchased/set up. Maybe it's because most of these machines are Dells or other OEMs and use fairly pedestrian/common hardware, but I've yet to run into some gross incompatibility with modern hardware/software that has ever led me to say "stupid Vista" or "how can I work around this?"
 
Originally posted by: doog519
Heck running Vista right now is kind of like running Linux. You need to hack and teak it just a little to suit your needs.

I was also wondering are you having to disable IPv6 in Vista? Is it causing any slow down problems?

Change is kind of scary.....But 6 months down the road you just have to smile about what all you have learned and how far you have advanced.

Only 2 things I have disabled,first one is System Restore since I have everything backed up anyway and second thing is Windows Defender real time scan is disabled,I have it set to scan once everyday since I also use other anti-spyware like Spybot/Spywareblaster etc...most of the time my HD is at idle(does the most work at bootup when its prefetching etc...) .My main browser is Firefox (2.0.0.3 ) 32 bit with Thunderbird 64 bit for email client,mainly because I can use flash/java etc.. with Firefox 32 bit version.

I have encountered no real problems with gaming,couple of games I had to set to run as admin so they could update patches,general software usage is fine ,no problem with drivers(I have them all) ,overall I'm very happy with Vista x64,probably the best Microsoft OS I've ever used,still waiting for my first BSOD.

🙂

Btw the help/support button in Vista is very helpful,especially for beginners to Vista,you can generally find the answer to your Vista questions.
 
Originally posted by: mechBgon
mainly because I can use flash/java etc.. with Firefox 32 bit version.
Are you having unresolved problems using Flash and Java with IE7 32-bit?

No problems with IE7 that I'm aware of,but I have always prefered Firefox to IE7 for my browsing.
 
Personally I do not think it is the functionality of Vista or lack there of is the biggest factor that makes people not want to use it. I think the fact they made such a big deal early on about all the anti-piracy stuff being built in to the OS makes people not want to use it. I think it scares the hell out of people to use it even though they would not pirate anything. The very thought that it could make a mistake and see something as pirated, cause lots unnecessary issues and possibly get them trouble is a BIG deterrent and a major reason for mass distrust of the product.
 
The very thought that it could make a mistake and see something as pirated, cause lots unnecessary issues and possibly get them trouble is a BIG deterrent and a major reason for mass distrust of the product.

Which load of FUD are you quoting from exactly? What feature in Vista makes a mistake and 'sees' something as pirated and get you trouble?

It's just amazing the lies people tell when they don't like something just to try prove to others they are right.


 
Bsobel
Seems everthing you disagree with is FUD.
I'm not really sure why you are trying so hard to sell Vista?
Could it be because Vista is such a hard sell?
It all boils down to freedom of chioce.
I see computers out there still running Win98 and the people are prefectly happy with it.
Like was mentioned some people hate change.
 
Originally posted by: doog519
Bsobel
Seems everthing you disagree with is FUD.
I'm not really sure why you are trying so hard to sell Vista?
Could it be because Vista is such a hard sell?
It all boils down to freedom of chioce.
I see computers out there still running Win98 and the people are prefectly happy with it.
Like was mentioned some people hate change.

It seems everytime he calls you on FUD that you claim you "read somewhere" or "heard somwhere" and asks for some proof you are completely unable to back it up.

As long as you keep spouting unsubstantiated claims that are clearly wrong I expect he'll keep calling it FUD. /shrug.
 
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: doog519
Bsobel
Seems everthing you disagree with is FUD.
I'm not really sure why you are trying so hard to sell Vista?
Could it be because Vista is such a hard sell?
It all boils down to freedom of chioce.
I see computers out there still running Win98 and the people are prefectly happy with it.
Like was mentioned some people hate change.

It seems everytime he calls you on FUD that you claim you "read somewhere" or "heard somwhere" and asks for some proof you are completely unable to back it up.

As long as you keep spouting unsubstantiated claims that are clearly wrong I expect he'll keep calling it FUD. /shrug.


Simple google search reveals the "FUD" is and has been a real concern.

FAQ: Vista's strong, new antipiracy protections

Microsoft Places Its Vista Anti-Piracy Concerns Above User Security

Microsoft to lock pirates out of Vista PCs

Vista Anti-piracy Effort Will Drive People to Linux?

 
Simple google search reveals the "FUD" is and has been a real concern.

The user in question posted a bunch of lies.

First he posted that SP1 was cancelled. No links, no proof, just a 'I heard it on the phone'. Sorry, it's a lie.

Then he posted that Vista 'it scans/analyses/logs stuff you move, copy, cut & paste or delete'. That also is a complete lie.

(If you disagree, please show where any of the links you quoted say otherwise)

Bill

 
Originally posted by: doog519
Bsobel
Seems everthing you disagree with is FUD.
I'm not really sure why you are trying so hard to sell Vista?
Could it be because Vista is such a hard sell?
It all boils down to freedom of chioce.
I see computers out there still running Win98 and the people are prefectly happy with it.
Like was mentioned some people hate change.

I really don't care of you run Vista, Linux, BSD, or one of the other choices. However, this is not P&N and we won't let you come in here, post lies, and not be called out on them.

Your *very* close to trolling at this point, we've asked for proof of your claims, you've provided none. So, you need to post some proof of the two claims you made (there is NOT SP1 and Vista logs what your copy/delete/etc).


 
Originally posted by: M00T
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: doog519
Bsobel
Seems everthing you disagree with is FUD.
I'm not really sure why you are trying so hard to sell Vista?
Could it be because Vista is such a hard sell?
It all boils down to freedom of chioce.
I see computers out there still running Win98 and the people are prefectly happy with it.
Like was mentioned some people hate change.

It seems everytime he calls you on FUD that you claim you "read somewhere" or "heard somwhere" and asks for some proof you are completely unable to back it up.

As long as you keep spouting unsubstantiated claims that are clearly wrong I expect he'll keep calling it FUD. /shrug.


Simple google search reveals the "FUD" is and has been a real concern.

FAQ: Vista's strong, new antipiracy protections

Microsoft Places Its Vista Anti-Piracy Concerns Above User Security

Microsoft to lock pirates out of Vista PCs

Vista Anti-piracy Effort Will Drive People to Linux?

FUD is a concern or something factual is a concern? FUD is always a "concern" it causes people to make irrational decisions based on dubious or misleading facts or outright lies. Is that what you meant?

I'm not getting what those links are for. The first is a high level consumer article. The second is some dude's ranting blog, the third won't load, and the fourth is a pretty good example of FUD. Were you just pointing out the amount of FUD out there? I'll certainly agree there is a lot.
 
lol you're quoting an opinion piece from The Inquirer as your basis of fact?

Well, I'm certainly convinced now.
 
Originally posted by: stash
lol you're quoting an opinion piece from The Inquirer as your basis of fact?

Well, I'm certainly convinced now.
I started to say the same thing, but it just is not worth the effort. OS religious fanatics are as bad as video card and cpu fanatics.

 
Originally posted by: Mem
Hehe I agree,I'll be glad when XP is phased out.

Me too, I'm tired of zombie machines constantly trying to attack my network :Q!

Originally posted by: mechBgon
In the consumer realm, WinXP is licensed the same way as Vista. OEM WinXP licenses are "married" to your system's motherboard. Retail WinXP isn't. For people who don't want their license associated with a particular computer, the retail licenses have been available since Win98 days.

Bah, I switch the PC I run my XP OEM on often without a single problem or "call us" notification. Although, it is good to note that I do completely switch and the other PC no longer has that copy of Windows on it.

Originally posted by: doog519
One thing I have noticed is Vista has turned a lot of once nice people on this forum into just plain nasty .
Which is sad 🙁

Vista made no one nasty... people who bash it for no reason made people annoyed.

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Still haven't had anyone tell me in person that they liked Vista at all. Two more Vista to XP conversions this past week. I guess Vista hate = profit for me 🙂

Come talk to me, I'll tell you how much I enjoy it 😛.

Although, I will probably rant about how the Vista installer is bugged and it caused me to have to reinstall Vista the other day. I was a bit overjoyed when I saw the installed, unlike XP's, will not pick random names for the HDDs and you end up making your OS drive E or something. Then I take my DVD out, restart and I get a system disk error... lo-and-behold, Vista will always install the MBR on Disk 0, regardless of where you install Vista. I guess I'll always have to disconnect all drives but the OS drive from now on like I did with XP (to guarantee the OS drive being drive C).

Although now I've got two Vista machines running, I do notice an odd thing... Vista accessing a Vista machine's network share is slow. There must be some weird overhead that "times out" because if I access it at first, it'll take a good 5-10 seconds, but once I access it once, it's fine until it sits for awhile. This is drive dependent as well. My main machine runs Vista Ultimate 32-bit and my server runs Vista Ultimate 64-bit if any of the people have heard of this in here.

Originally posted by: Mem
I have encountered no real problems with gaming,couple of games I had to set to run as admin so they could update patches,general software usage is fine ,no problem with drivers(I have them all) ,overall I'm very happy with Vista x64,probably the best Microsoft OS I've ever used,still waiting for my first BSOD.

I don't recall any BSODs on either of my Vista installations, but I was under the impression that driver issues wouldn't necessarily cause full system instability anymore, but my video card drivers used to cause quite the amount of problems (they seem to have tamed down quite a bit now).

I have crashed Windows Mail already though. I believe it was some issue with moving or elongating an appointment that caused the program to hang. Not a problem since I don't use it. If anyone here can make a suggestion to Microsoft, tell 'em to make an option for Windows Mail to minimize to the system tray 🙂.

Originally posted by: Socio
Personally I do not think it is the functionality of Vista or lack there of is the biggest factor that makes people not want to use it. I think the fact they made such a big deal early on about all the anti-piracy stuff being built in to the OS makes people not want to use it. I think it scares the hell out of people to use it even though they would not pirate anything. The very thought that it could make a mistake and see something as pirated, cause lots unnecessary issues and possibly get them trouble is a BIG deterrent and a major reason for mass distrust of the product.

Heh, funny... if that were true, Vista would've erased my 2x 750GB Seagate drives already 😉.
 
Bsobel
It's hard to back something that was said on a live Microsoft Partner program.
I shouldn't need to back anything up anyhow. Like I said Vista isn't a good OS right now. Maybe a year down the road it might. Maybe it will never be...who knows.

And is that what you think? My opinion about Vista needs poofed.
I am just stating my opinion it was you that accused me of being a troll. When I have belonged here since 2000.
I thought this forum was for expressing opinions and thoughts?
I don't really feel I have done nothing wrong to be poofed.
 
but I was under the impression that driver issues wouldn't necessarily cause full system instability anymore

Microsoft is trying to move as many drivers out of the kernel as possible for stability reasons, however they aren't 'there' yet. As an example, there is a move to put USB drivers (sans the low level IO) into user mode. There are still many drivers which are in the kernel, and who's failure will bring the system down.
 
I have no idea what "poofed" means, but you better be prepared to back up your statements with evidence. You stated that you read on a Microsoft Partner website that there would be no SP1. Where is the link to that site?

Posting completely unrelated FUD from the Inquirer isn't going to fly.
 
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