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doog519

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I Like I said....It's hard to back something that was said on a live Microsoft Partner program.
I guess we just wait and if SP1 comes out.

The other thing I said was.....Have a motherboard go bad on you and the manufacturer doesn't make your model board anymore.
Along with having to buy a new board you need to buy a new Vista license also.
No using your old Vista because MS considers it another system now.

Most all the other forum members said that wasn't nothing new. It dated all the way back to XP.
You want to label it FUD that's your choice.

Usually a Moderator poofs or removes a post.
 

stash

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I Like I said....It's hard to back something that was said on a live Microsoft Partner program.
Are you talking about a webcast? Those usually have transcripts...

Most all the other forum members said that wasn't nothing new. It dated all the way back to XP.
You want to label it FUD that's your choice.
The other forum members were right, it isn't new. You bringing it up as if it were new to Vista is FUD.

SP1 will be coming out.
 

juktar

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Originally posted by: doog519
Most all the other forum members said that wasn't nothing new. It dated all the way back to XP.
You want to label it FUD that's your choice.
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The reason it is FUD, is because you are posting like this is something new. This is not new, and it is for OEM licenses only. This has been around since longer than XP. The reason that more people see it now is that there is alot more people selling the OEM versions of XP and Vista, than there had been in the past with other version of the OS. I think Win98 had the same thing, there was just no actication.

The FUD part is that this is some Vista only thing that nobody seemed to know about.

If you want a license that goes from 1 computer to the other, buy a retail license. Also, I bet you that you could activate the OEM license on a new motherboard just by calling the activation line, or if it has been long enough, through the internet. (Unless you using a pirated code).
 

doog519

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Juktar

I have pretty much bought only OEM with my builds. You have to if you want to compete with the $299.00 Dells

I agree, before with XP you could replace the MB and get away with it.
But with WGA and Vista crackdowns I don't think you will be able to get away with it. I feel Vista is to new yet. And will have to see what you have to do when a board goes bad.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: doog519
Stash I Like I said....It's hard to back something that was said on a live Microsoft Partner program. I guess we just wait and if SP1 comes out.

Nope, as stated they are transcripted. The burden of proof is on you and your not skating with a 'let's wait until November and see' response.

Have a motherboard go bad on you and the maufacturer doesn't make your model board anymore. Along with having to buy a new board you need to buy a new Vista license also. No using your old Vista because MS considers it another system now.

More misinformation. MS has and continues to allow upgrades in this case. Of course, you completely ignore the OEM/retail issue and suggest it's all versions of 'Vista'. To be clear the concern your raising, which is again wrong, is about the OEM version not the retail version.

Still waiting for proof to your claims that Vista 'watches' what your copy/delete and 'reports you'.
 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: bsobel
More misinformation. MS has and continues to allow upgrades in this case. Of course, you completely ignore the OEM/retail issue and suggest it's all versions of 'Vista'. To be clear the concern your raising, which is again wrong, is about the OEM version not the retail version.

Still waiting for proof to your claims that Vista 'watches' what your copy/delete and 'reports you'.
I can vouch for this as I have done it. Twice. On Dell computers. One was a replacement part. One was an Abit board that Dell recommended (3rd level - I worked my way to it reporting a PSU issue).
 

Hurricane Andrew

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Originally posted by: ProviaFan
The article may be over the edge, but there is a very real problem in Vista in that copying or otherwise manipulating files through the Explorer interface is much slower than it should be. Yes, I've checked DMA settings, drivers, et. al., and there is an unexplained and very annoying problem remaining somewhere else in Vista.

Have you tried this little tip:

1) Go to Programs and Features.
2) Select "Turn Windows features on or off.
3) Remove the check next to Remote Differential Compression.

It made a significant difference in file move/copy times on my Vista systems.
 

juktar

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Originally posted by: doog519
Juktar

I have pretty much bought only OEM with my builds. You have to if you want to compete with the $299.00 Dells

I agree, before with XP you could replace the MB and get away with it.
But with WGA and Vista crackdowns I don't think you will be able to get away with it. I feel Vista is to new yet. And will have to see what you have to do when a board goes bad.


I do not have any proof of this, but my feeling is that this is to catch pirated copies. You find a code on the internet, put it in and it gets activated. Your Asus MB goes bad 6 months later and you buy an Abit MB, activate again with the same number and bang, it won't let you.

Now if it is not a pirated code, it let's you activate it as it is not in their database of trying to be activated 5,000 times in 6 months or whatever the magic number is.

I do not think it is in the best interest of MS to not allow that. But I suppose you never know, and of course, there will be problems with the process and some people will have a hard time with a legitimate copy.

 

doog519

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Nope, as stated they are transcripted. The burden of proof is on you and your not skating with a 'let's wait until November and see' response.

Then Bsobel if it is transripted go google it yourself. ;) April, 18th around 1300hours

gsellis
Was this with Vista or XP.
If it was with Vista did you tell them the PS took the board out?
If so that is good to know.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: doog519
Originally posted by: bsobel
Nope, as stated they are transcripted. The burden of proof is on you and your not skating with a 'let's wait until November and see' response.

Then Bsobel if it is transripted go google it yourself. ;) April, 18th around 1300hours

gsellis
Was this with Vista or XP.
If it was with Vista did you tell them the PS took the board out?
If so that is good to know.
Which webcast, because there was only one that was directly Vista-related and it had to do with rolling out ipsec VPNs:

Wed, 18 Apr 2007 High Performance Computing


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 MSDN Webcast: Guided Hands-on Lab: An Introduction to ASP.NET for Visual Basic Developers (Level 200)


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 TechNet Webcast: Advanced SQL Server 2005 Reporting Services (Level 300)
Customer Rating:


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 teamStream: Visual Studio Team System Deep Dive: Project Server Connector


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 TechNet Webcast: Deploying IPsec with Windows Vista (Level 200)
Customer Rating:


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 Microsoft Webcast: Infrastructure Optimization (Part 10 of 11): Connect with Customers Through Automated Processes, Integrated Applications, and Service-Oriented Architecture
Customer Rating:


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 TechNet Webcast: Exchange Server 2007 Overview (Level 200)
Customer Rating:


Wed, 18 Apr 2007 MSDN Webcast: MSDN geekSpeak: BizTalk Server with Mark Berry and Mark Dunn (Level 300)
 

bsobel

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Then Bsobel if it is transripted go google it yourself. ;) April, 18th around 1300hours

You're the one making things up, so it's your job to back it up. Not the other way around. There are a zillion links on Vista Sp1 and ZERO of them say it's now been cancelled. One would think if MS made such a major announcment on the phone to YOU, someone (eWeek, Network World, etc) would have written about it.

Of course, that would only happen if it where true, which it is not.



 

doog519

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Originally posted by: stash
What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?


What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?
I heard it,I need no proof. You want the proof google is your friend. If it is that important to you.

loup garou
Tomorrow I will maybe get to computer shop. And will let you know.
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Then Bsobel if it is transripted go google it yourself. ;) April, 18th around 1300hours

You're the one making things up, so it's your job to back it up. Not the other way around. There are a zillion links on Vista Sp1 and ZERO of them say it's now been cancelled. One would think if MS made such a major announcment on the phone to YOU, someone (eWeek, Network World, etc) would have written about it.

Of course, that would only happen if it where true, which it is not.

Heh, holy crap is that what we're arguing about? Will there be a Vista sp1 or not?

I'm sure there will be because one of my fixes will be going into it and I've already tested the build where the fix is included. I don't think the fix I'm thinking of is significant enough to get an out of band hotfix. To think there would be no sp over the entire life of the product is pretty silly. No idea when it will be released though.

/argument
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: doog519
Originally posted by: stash
What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?


What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?
I heard it,I need no proof. You want the proof google is your friend. If it is that important to you.

loup garou
Tomorrow I will maybe get to computer shop. And will let you know.

I won't argue if someone told you something or not. I wasn't there. I'll argue that if they told you there will be no sp1 for Vista then they are wrong.

Burden of proof is on the one asserting something by the way. ;)

 

doog519

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I'll work on it for you.

"teh only game yuo can palay on Lunix is 'catch teh monkey bannar ad.'" - JeffK
Why play a game on a 19" LCD when you can be playing games on a 60" Plasma
 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: doog519
Originally posted by: stash
What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?

What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?
I heard it,I need no proof.

I heard you killed someone. Therefore you should go to jail for murder unless you can conclusively prove that you didn't kill someone?

Try a little sanity: the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If you're going to claim that Vista SP1 has been cancelled, you'd better have something to back it up with.

You want the proof google is your friend. If it is that important to you.

Google shows nothing of the sort.

first hit of "windows vista sp1" on google: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2060137,00.asp

Paging through the first hundred or so results, all of them seem to be related to Vista SP1 and what will be in it/when it will come out, not that SP1 has been cancelled.

Have a motherboard go bad on you and the manufacturer doesn't make your model board anymore.
Along with having to buy a new board you need to buy a new Vista license also.

This is just blatantly not true. In fact, the only reason you can change out your motherboard and keep an OEM license is if the motherboard fails and you can no longer get an exact replacement for it. It's specifically in the OEM license agreement!
 

bsobel

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What part of the burden of proof concept do you not understand?

Your the one asserting a fact, we've asked for proof. The truth is, you if not lied you exagerated in your zeal to knock Vista, your in over your head, and your desperately trying to save face. It's ok to just admit your biased and got a bit carried away.

Please consider you're generally not arguing with some guys working at Geeksquad or your mom and pops computer store. In this thread you've been corrected (already) by an MS employee working on Vista SP1 as well as a chief software architect at a Microsoft partner (Symantec).

Few if any of us care what OS you run, but if you attack another with invalid facts or downright misrepresentations, expect to be called on them. If you want to make up facts and argue opinions, maybe you should head over to P&N :)

So far your record is misinformation 3, truth 0.

 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: doog519
Originally posted by: bsobel
Nope, as stated they are transcripted. The burden of proof is on you and your not skating with a 'let's wait until November and see' response.

Then Bsobel if it is transripted go google it yourself. ;) April, 18th around 1300hours

gsellis
Was this with Vista or XP.
If it was with Vista did you tell them the PS took the board out?
If so that is good to know.
XP. Have not yet blown something up under Vista (well, in progress, but that is not OEM)

 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: doog519
Smilin
I'll work on it for you.
Let me give you a huge hint since you seemed to miss it. Smilin told you there will be a SP1. He then told you how he knows without really saying it. "His" fix is in it. Get it yet? He has an inside track. He has a track that OEM's don't even have. He has a track Partners can only dream about. He has a track that Premier and MSDN folks don't have (I am both). He has the inside track. He probably knows David Cutler's cell phone number ;)

I will trust Smilin saying it over my own TAM.



 

doog519

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Originally posted by: bsobel
The truth is, you if not lied you exaggerated in your zeal to knock Vista, you?re in over your head, and you?re desperately trying to save face. It's ok to just admit you?re biased and got a bit carried away.

Bsoble
No I didn't lie nor do I appreciate being called a lier.
And I am not desperately trying to save face.
True I don't think Vista is a good operating system right now.

And I'm not arguing... I was just stating what I heard.

I can see why you might be stressed,paying all that money for something that is causing you so many problems. And posts that is making you angry.

But you really should take a couple of deep breaths and calm down. It's only an operating system. Not really worth losing sleep over.


gsellis

I told smilen I would find out about it. And let him know.
If I can't prove it, then I will admitt I was wrong. But for now I am sticking with what I said.

And I do respect the fact there is some highly respected Microsoft people on here.
 

stash

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And I do respect the fact there is some highly respected Microsoft people on here.
I'm not sure if we're respected as much as tolerated :p

(it's a joke!)
 

dmcowen674

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So tell me about this "Vienna".

Is it something I'll be able to Beta on the new laptop without screwing up the existing Vista DRM?

I did not beta Vista.

First time I have not tried a beta from a MS product since Windows 3.0
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
So tell me about this "Vienna".

Vienna aka Windows 7, is the next major planned client release. Dates thrown around include 2009, but the windows is probably 2009-2011.

Bill