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bsobel

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So maybe look for beta at the end of 2007???

The open beta, I believe, will be a bit further out (but I'm pesimestic on the 09 target date). Stash probably has better info, but not sure he can share.
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: gsellis
Originally posted by: doog519
Smilin
I'll work on it for you.
Let me give you a huge hint since you seemed to miss it. Smilin told you there will be a SP1. He then told you how he knows without really saying it. "His" fix is in it. Get it yet? He has an inside track. He has a track that OEM's don't even have. He has a track Partners can only dream about. He has a track that Premier and MSDN folks don't have (I am both). He has the inside track. He probably knows David Cutler's cell phone number ;)

I will trust Smilin saying it over my own TAM.
Meh, don't overestimate my inside knowledge. I'm not on that team (nor is your TAM). Thinking there would be no service pack over the entire life of the product is pretty silly. I'm kinda surprised there's an argument about it. I've no idea what the plans or release dates are though. I can't give you Dave's number either so don't ask. :p

edit:Quotemaul.
 

JesseKnows

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My son is in NYU Law School. His computer went bad. School IT says he may not use a Vista machine. Must use XP for school tests, they use some app for tests that doesn't work with Vista. If cannot find, please buy in our book store...
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: JesseKnows
My son is in NYU Law School. His computer went bad. School IT says he may not use a Vista machine. Must use XP for school tests, they use some app for tests that doesn't work with Vista. If cannot find, please buy in our book store...

More likely there are some apps not 'certified' for Vista. Its very common for larger IT organizations to disallow a new OS until they finish testing it.
 

ProviaFan

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Surprisingly, the WebCT software that my school uses doesn't suck any more on Vista/IE7 than it does on Windows XP/IE6. Any specialized academic software that we need to use for assignments is generally expensive enough that instead of trying to get discounts for everyone, they make us run it in the campus labs on the Windows XP systems (which is fine by me). I'm just glad that they don't kick us off the residential network for running Vista, Mac OS X, or Linux like some schools would.
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: JesseKnows
My son is in NYU Law School. His computer went bad. School IT says he may not use a Vista machine. Must use XP for school tests, they use some app for tests that doesn't work with Vista. If cannot find, please buy in our book store...

Yeah he must not use file sharing software either but it's not because it won't work. It's just not IT approved. :) If it's BlackBoard he's talking about then I believe someone in the thread already said it works. If not, no idea. If he wants to run Vista but absolutely positively has to have something XP compat and doesn't want to dual boot or remove Vista.. just use a VM.

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Can I just say how slimy it is that dcowen has posted a quote from me back in the original op like 5 pages ago but left off any retort?

Very slimy in general to edit posts beyond typos or quote fixes imho


(speaking of which... edit: fixed closing underline tag to stop the whole post from being underlined :p )
 

bsobel

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Can I just say how slimy it is that dcowen has posted a quote from me back in the original op like 5 pages ago but left off any retort?

Thats his MO. He is basically wrong about everything, and as that is pointed out, completely changes the topic of the thread or point of view (the classic example was his saing gas should go to $5 so people would start looking into alternative fuels, then complaning when gas hit $3). The mods seem to put up with it in P&N (for reasons I yet to understand). Dave is the ultimate victim, nothing is ever his fault, the 'man' is out to get him, and he's never wrong, and folks like me owe him for some reason he can't articulate.

Oh, btw, he's running for president.

On the plus side, the P&N threads are fighting over lots of opinions. At least in OS there is generally truths you can show (sans the usualy is Linux or Windows better). He posts 'facts' we can show them to be wrong. If he keeps trolling here, just asks the mods to review his behaviour.

Bill

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Can I just say how slimy it is that dcowen has posted a quote from me back in the original op like 5 pages ago but left off any retort?

Thats his MO. He is basically wrong about everything, and as that is pointed out, completely changes the topic of the thread or point of view (the classic example was his saing gas should go to $5 so people would start looking into alternative fuels, then complaning when gas hit $3). The mods seem to put up with it in P&N (for reasons I yet to understand). Dave is the ultimate victim, nothing is ever his fault, the 'man' is out to get him, and he's never wrong, and folks like me owe him for some reason he can't articulate.

Oh, btw, he's running for president.

On the plus side, the P&N threads are fighting over lots of opinions. At least in OS there is generally truths you can show (sans the usualy is Linux or Windows better). He posts 'facts' we can show them to be wrong. If he keeps trolling here, just asks the mods to review his behaviour.

Nope, not running, didn't have $5,000 to file.
It's all my fault we are still on oil after 1973.
Fact is there is nothing wrong with XP to kill it off.
Not enough gain (IMHO) in Vista for it to be the only OS product.
 

bsobel

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Fact is there is nothing wrong with XP to kill it off.
Not enough gain (IMHO) in Vista for it to be the only OS product.

Dave, Vista is the evolutionary growth of XP. Why you may not see it directly, there are many fundemental base changes that will help grow the platform into the future. Should MS spend resources adding features to both OS's, no, it doesn't make sense for them to do so. Are they, yes, they will have to continue to support XP for some time. However it is clearly no longer the primary dev path.

Should Vista be the *only* OS product? No, but thats why we have compeition and other viable OS's exist.

It's funny, your already asking when you can beta the NEXT desktop OS which will be the evolutionary growth of Vista while at the same time saying how you hate Vista. I fully expect you to be complaining about the NEXT release when it comes out and how MS must keep Vista available.
 

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Fact is there is nothing wrong with XP to kill it off.
Not enough gain (IMHO) in Vista for it to be the only OS product.

Dave, Vista is the evolutionary growth of XP. Why you may not see it directly, there are many fundemental base changes that will help grow the platform into the future. Should MS spend resources adding features to both OS's, no, it doesn't make sense for them to do so. Are they, yes, they will have to continue to support XP for some time. However it is clearly no longer the primary dev path.

Should Vista be the *only* OS product? No, but thats why we have compeition and other viable OS's exist.

It's funny, your already asking when you can beta the NEXT desktop OS which will be the evolutionary growth of Vista while at the same time saying how you hate Vista. I fully expect you to be complaining about the NEXT release when it comes out and how MS must keep Vista available.

Anybody remember the old days in AT when Win2K users were moaning and saying the same things about XP,we have come full circle again.
 

bsobel

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Anybody remember the old days in AT when Win2K users were moaning and saying the same things about XP,we have come full circle again.

Yep, this happens every release. The only time MS *really* deserved it was ME, the NT line upgrades have always been clear steps forward (even in the simpletons who only gauge their OS by the eye candy don't see the underlying changes).

Bill
 

doog519

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Well I don't have any proof to post except that it was Vista Ultimate. "April,18th" That they was talking about that day.
They should at some point and time, come out with a power point presentation that will be down loadable.
When I come across it I will post it.


Sorry I didn't get back sooner but got stuck working a double shift which is 48 hours.

 

Smilin

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I wouldn't sweat it dude.

It's literally one of those, "prove it and I still won't believe it" things. If someone said no sp1 during a webast then it was in some really wierd context or it was flat out wrong.

I can't say when sp1 will release but there will definately be one or more service packs over the life of the product.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: harobikes333
i think I'm going to use a friends xp Professional that he's not using for a year or two until vista becomes less buggy

:roll: And which bugs, exactly, are you refering to?
 

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6-4-2007 DRAM Makers Suffer Due to Lackluster Vista Adoption

"We've heard conflicting estimates of how widely adopted Vista has been. Now comes some hard data. DRAM makers ramped up to meet the huge expected demand for more memory needed by Vista. Except the demand hasn't materialized. Now they're suffering.

6-4-2007 DRAM chipmakers suffer worst quarter since 2001

Industry headed for loss; DRAM suppliers overshot Vista demand: analyst

Amid plunging prices and expanded factory output -- which is forcing some manufacturers to sell their chips below the costs to produce them -- all DRAM makers are expected to lose money this quarter for the first time since 2001, according to one semiconductor researcher.
Suppliers of DRAM chips "overforecasted Vista demand," said iSuppli analyst Nam Hyung Kim, referring to Microsoft Corp.'s new PC software operating system released to corporations last November and to consumers in January.
 

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Anybody remember the old days in AT when Win2K users were moaning and saying the same things about XP,we have come full circle again.

Yep, this happens every release. The only time MS *really* deserved it was ME, the NT line upgrades have always been clear steps forward (even in the simpletons who only gauge their OS by the eye candy don't see the underlying changes).

Bill

Well, to be fair, there is some balance to make here. When a new Microsoft OS arrives, it generally requires extremely aggressive hardware in order to perform decently. When XP launched, a common PC had 128 or 256mb of ram, 40-80gb hard drives, 1ghz-2ghz cpus, and 2k ran better on the lower side of that hardware scale. That just meant that XP had a larger memory and resource footprint. Of course, that turned out well over the long run, as once systems came with 512mb to 1gb standard, XP ran just as fast as 2k would on the same hardware.

Vista is having the same kind of launch, only without an extremely weak OS to replace on the consumer side (ME). I know we've heard people say it runs 'fine', which is a relative term obviously, but to me, Vista on 512mb vs XP on 512mb is night-and-day. Same with 1gb, really. Vista systems should ideally be fitted with 2gb (and at these memory prices, why not!), or 3gb+ for gaming.

I think in another year, this will be a non-issue. Compatibility of apps will greatly increase, DX10 games will start to dominate new releases, and even entry-level PCs will ship with strong enough hardware to run same/better on Vista vs XP.
 

Smilin

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Microsoft sells 40 million copies of Vista in 100 days.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/1...postversion=2007051513


That's one copy every 0.216 seconds....in other words if you are reading this via a satellite internet connection Microsoft will have sold just over two copies before you can even ping Anandtech.

dmcowen go crawl back under your bridge, troll.
 

Robor

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We installed Vista Ultimate on my brother's system over the weekend. We had no problems. The install was very fast and boot speed is impressive (yeah, I know it's a bare install ;) ). I didn't mess with it too much but one feature I really liked was the picture import. We plugged in his camera and downloaded all of the pictures with the wizard easily. Yeah, I know XP does that but the thumbnail view is so much improved and the hover over preview is awesome.

If I was buying a new PC or Windows version today I'd get Vista. Of course I prefer using Ubuntu for most things but IMO Vista will be a nice OS once it matures a bit. Oh and my wife - a Mac fan - saw the default Vista desktop and said it looked 'pretty'. ;) :p