57 Think Democrat Agenda "Extreme"

[soundforbjt]

GWB never was like that and put the rich & business first

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[nick1985]

Approving or disapproving of his performance does not mean they are leaving in droves.
Is there a poll showing how those who voted Dem are going to vote Rep this time?

Independents got Obama elected. Most independants dissaprove of Obama now.

70+% support

now only 40% support.


Is there a poll to show people are leaving in droves and will not vote for him again? You be the judge

 

[SammyJr]

Except the healthcare bill was a production of a Democrat Congress... you're just neglecting that the Democrats are owned by the corporations, just as the Republicans. Corporation ownership of politicians is not a right-wing trait, it is a politician's trait.

Not at all. I fully recognize the fact that the Republicans and Democrats are equally owned by Big Business. The only difference is in the industries that they serve.

In any case, I stand by my belief that Obama is basically a center-right politician and a corporatist. Further, aside from Kucinch, Sanders, and a few others, I don't think we have any politicians who are left of center.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Independents got Obama elected. Most independants dissaprove of Obama now.

70+% support

now only 40% support.


Is there a poll to show people are leaving in droves and will not vote for him again? You be the judge

The real issue is WHO the Republicans are running, and HOW they are running their campaigns.

In several of the races the Republicans have put up candidates who have nothing going for them other than the (R) by their name, or have taken stupidly conservative stances on social and financial issues.

Being the "I'm not a (D/R), vote for me!" works only so well. As Sens. Kerry and McCain found out all so well.

 

[SammyJr]

Independents got Obama elected. Most independants dissaprove of Obama now.

70+% support

now only 40% support.


Is there a poll to show people are leaving in droves and will not vote for him again? You be the judge

Ultimately meaningless. When the Republicans have their candidate for 2012, then poll independents. If the Republicans nominate some Tea Party nutter, then Obama wins. If they nominate a moderate, then Obama might have a fight. Of course, there really aren't any moderate Republicans left.

 

[PeshakJang]

Being the "I'm not a (D/R), vote for me!" works only so well. As Sens. Kerry and McCain found out all so well.

It works well enough to get you elected president

 

[nick1985]

Ultimately meaningless.

Keep telling yourself that. And when you lose the House in November ask yourself why

 

[CrackRabbit]

It works well enough to get you elected president

You might want to read that sentence again.

 

[SammyJr]

What I meant to say is that he's passed stuff that polarizes people. When he got elected he wanted to drive bipartisan policy, and we haven't seen any of that.

Of course we haven't. The Republicans have voted NO as a unified block on everything except war funding. Its hard to be bipartisan when the other party knows two words - WAR and NO.

 

[SammyJr]

Keep telling yourself that. And when you lose the House in November ask yourself why

Meh. Everyone likes their Rep but hates Congress. I predict a marginal shift at best. You take too much stock in Rasmussen polls. Also, the Tea Party will bring out liberals, progressives, and likely Democrats to the polls. I wasn't planning to vote, but now I will and it will be all Dems or Greens.

 

[Fern]

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1. Apparently the economy was in worse shape than they thought after 8 years of republican sponsored looting... you would have done differently than the Dems, how, exactly?

I keep seeing this error.

The Democrats took over both houses of Congress in the 2006 elections. (They also had control of the Senate for a while early in Bush's first term.)

There were NO 8 yrs etc.

BTW: That mean the economy only went downhill after the Dems took control.

Fern

 

[Acanthus]

I keep seeing this error.

The Democrats took over both houses of Congress in the 2006 elections. (They also had control of the Senate for a while early in Bush's first term.)

There were NO 8 yrs etc.

BTW: That mean the economy only went downhill after the Dems took control.

Fern

8 years might be off, but there was not a democrat house during the deregulation spree.

 

[nick1985]

I predict a marginal shift at best.

Marked for november.

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe the defect in Petranus's anus is in the thread title, of "57% Think Democrat Agenda "Extreme"

Because it just meaningless drivel because there is no direct apples to apples comparison between the dimocratic and republirat agenda.

There might be some validity to this thread, if and only if, those that dislike the democratic agenda therefore prefer the GOP agenda better instead. Which is so not
what is really happening, when the American people are not happy with either major party. Nor are the American people happy with Libertarian, tbag, or independnts answers either

We have a giant clusterfuck of grid lock, and everyone can find all kinds of reasons to dislike what we have.

 

[Lemon law]

Marked for november.

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Marked for the fall part of the rise and fall of the American people.

 

[woolfe9999]

Uh, having his support nearly halved is pretty fucking significant. Wouldn't you agree?

Tell me in your own words, senseamp, why you believe Obama's support has dropped from over 70% at his inauguration, to just barely over 40% now. What happened to his supporters? Why are they leaving in droves?

It isn't for the reasons you want to think it is. It's almost entirely down to the unemployment rate. You can see it in the trend line, where it starts to dip in the summer of '09 after his initial "free pass" is over. It levels off in the first 4 months of '10 when we were adding some jobs. The jobs picture goes negative in May, and it's been on a downward trend ever since. This has nothing to do with ideology. His ideology hasn't changed from when he had 70% approval. The healthcare bill for example - not very popular - is nonetheless irrelevant. It's just the economy. Which doesn't mean he is OR isn't responsible for the poor economy. It just means that the POTUS and his party in power always get blamed for a bad economy. It happened to Bush and the GOP, and it's happening to Obama and the dems now. This has been consistently true in American political history.

- wolf

 

[Jhhnn]

They are blocking unpopular legislation. Obama's approval ratings are in the dumps. Most Americans disagree with his positions on many issues. Gridlock against his agenda is considered a good thing by most. Thats why they will gain seats in the senate and take back the house.
You approve of Obama, you are in the minority right now.

Still nice and vague, aren't we? Chanting the usual slogans, as well, claiming to be the majority, yada, yada, yada.

Repubs are doing their best to create failure, not to prevent it, and to put it off on the Dems at the same time. Their use of the filibuster is unprecedented in the entire history of the US, despite attempts to reach compromise.

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001777.htm

The saddest part of it all is that it just may work in their favor.

As I've offered before, and have been pointedly ignored, what do Repubs offer as constructive alternative to the Dems' agenda? More of the Bush/Cheney agenda? Speak up, 'cause all Ive heard so far are crickets...

 

[Jhhnn]

I keep seeing this error.

The Democrats took over both houses of Congress in the 2006 elections. (They also had control of the Senate for a while early in Bush's first term.)

There were NO 8 yrs etc.

BTW: That mean the economy only went downhill after the Dems took control.

Fern

I really expected better of you, Fern. The stage was set for the housing bust and the market crash by the policies leading up to those events, by the deliberate actions of the Bush Admin, the Repub Congress, and the decidedly Repub FRB in the 2001-2007 timeframe. Like this-

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/08/26/weekinreview/27leon_graph2.html

http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia2000.html

Neither belonged anywhere near as high as they were allowed and encouraged to go, and anybody with a lick of sense should realize that. The whole point of financial regulation by the govt and the FRB is to prevent the kind of *obviously* unsustainable peak and subsequent precipitous decline we've experienced. And the only reason it's come back from the fall is the massive bank bailout and stimulus, initiated by the same repubs who created the speculative peak in the first place.

Don't be blinded by your loyalties, because the recipients of it offer only deception and scorn in return.

Call it 6 years, OK? Does that make it feel better, or worse, realizing that they accomplished their ends in less time?

 

[spidey07]

Still nice and vague, aren't we? Chanting the usual slogans, as well, claiming to be the majority, yada, yada, yada.

Repubs are doing their best to create failure, not to prevent it, and to put it off on the Dems at the same time. Their use of the filibuster is unprecedented in the entire history of the US, despite attempts to reach compromise.

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001777.htm

The saddest part of it all is that it just may work in their favor.

As I've offered before, and have been pointedly ignored, what do Repubs offer as constructive alternative to the Dems' agenda? More of the Bush/Cheney agenda? Speak up, 'cause all Ive heard so far are crickets...

Listen to Rep. Boehner's call for Obama today to fire his economic team because of their failures. The offer is simple - leave the tax cuts in place and stop scaring the shit out of American businesses with punishment and anti-capitalist communist rhetoric and proven failed policy of Obama. Promote growth, not punish it.

THAT is leadership and what The People want. Are you just ignoring poll after poll after poll that says the American People reject what Obama is doing?

 

[Acanthus]

Listen to Rep. Boehner's call for Obama today to fire his economic team because of their failures. The offer is simple - leave the tax cuts in place and stop scaring the shit out of American businesses with punishment and anti-capitalist communist rhetoric and proven failed policy of Obama. Promote growth, not punish it.

THAT is leadership and what The People want.

Tax cuts do not promote growth unless they are coming down from staggeringly high rates (over 90%).

Show me otherwise.

 

[Jhhnn]

Listen to Rep. Boehner's call for Obama today to fire his economic team because of their failures. The offer is simple - leave the tax cuts in place and stop scaring the shit out of American businesses with punishment and anti-capitalist communist rhetoric and proven failed policy of Obama. Promote growth, not punish it.

THAT is leadership and what The People want. Are you just ignoring poll after poll after poll that says the American People reject what Obama is doing?

Yeh, that'll solve everything, right? just keep on doing what was done to put us into this mess, and everything will be OK, right? Oh, and be sure to add some raving about communists and skeered business, too. America's wealthiest aren't skeered at all- they apparently relish the idea of a deflationary spiral, where their liquidity gains value stuffed into their mattresses, and the only investments they make are ones with govt guarantees...

 

[nick1985]

As I've offered before, and have been pointedly ignored, what do Repubs offer as constructive alternative to the Dems' agenda? More of the Bush/Cheney agenda? Speak up, 'cause all Ive heard so far are crickets...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1aHU-pms

 

[Jhhnn]

Kee-rist on a crutch, nick1985-

Ryan offered absolutely no concrete proposals whatsoever. Zero. zip. nada. nothing.

He just mouthed the usual platitudes that stroke righties' erroneous zones.

If you think that's a plan of action, you're hopelessly delusional.

He didn't offer to actually *do* anything, or maybe you were too busy drooling to notice.

 

[nick1985]

Kee-rist on a crutch, nick1985-

Ryan offered absolutely no concrete proposals whatsoever. Zero. zip. nada. nothing.

He just mouthed the usual platitudes that stroke righties' erroneous zones.

If you think that's a plan of action, you're hopelessly delusional.

He didn't offer to actually *do* anything, or maybe you were too busy drooling to notice.

Whats Obama's plan to fix this economy

 

[Jhhnn]

Whats Obama's plan to fix this economy

It's not that easy for you, buckaroo. I asked what you're *for*, and you offer platitudinous bunk, then try to turn the question around. No such luck.

If Righties are raving and foaming at the mouth wrt Obama's policies, they must know what they are, right? Otherwise they'd just be talking out their asses... Hmmm... maybe I've hit on something significant, like a wall of ignorance and total denial from Righties...