5 steps to fix black society

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JTsyo

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Bill Cosby is makes very good points with his "tough love" parents aren't taking enough interest in raising their children properly but it's not limited to any particular section of society

However it is aggravated by the devastating effect that the war on drugs has had on society (non-violent drug offenders who have gotten longer sentences than people who have committed violent crimes for example)

As for schools no just throwing money at them isn't a solution, however it's probably the case that inner city schools are indeed underfunded.

So the solution isn't easy but getting the parents of the school age children more involved with well considered increases in funding for certain school programs should be considered imo.

A big factor that hasn't been mentioned and probably will be ridiculed or outright ignored because of some readers' wordviews is this

TED - Richard Wilkinson: How economic inequality harms societies

^Data points presented show that unequal countries (those with greater income inequality within their borders) are more likely to have more issues with a number of societal ills including teenage pregnancy, violence, instances of mental illness, school drop out rates, and people in prison per capita...
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Rather than extra funding of the whole school, it might be better to use the funding to establish new schools, so that those with potential can be given a chance. I'm sure there are enough within a school district, that could succeed but are being held back by the environment, to populate a school. Sure many will not graduate but at least you give some the chance to leave poverty behind.
 

cubby1223

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I'm firmly convinced that there isn't much that "white people" or the government can do. Ending the war on drugs is an exception. Without drug dealing as an alternative form of "employment," it might encourage black youth to stick with education and legitimate employment pursuits. Particularly young black males.

Ending the war on drugs will be racist too, because now it will be the white business man raping the black communities with drug sales, oppressing them into a life of addiction for their profit.
 

HendrixFan

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Ending the war on drugs will be racist too, because now it will be the white business man raping the black communities with drug sales, oppressing them into a life of addiction for their profit.

Do you have anything other than strawman arguments?
 

HomerJS

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5. Don't get educated
4. Overeat
3. Raise a fat family
2. Relish in your stupidity
1. Get a hit TV show because so many dummies are fascinated with your life.
 

Spungo

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Ending the war on drugs will be racist too, because now it will be the white business man raping the black communities with drug sales, oppressing them into a life of addiction for their profit.
I've said this many times before. I was half-joking but the logic is there. I said people who want to legalize drugs are racist because drugs fund the black community. Legalizing drugs would shift production and distribution out of black communities and into the hands of ultra rich white people who would build million dollar facilities to handle the production and packaging of drugs. It would be exactly the same as how rich white people currently control alcohol and cigarette production and distribution. If cocaine is legal, those same white people will take over cocaine production and distribution.
Then I conclude the rant by saying I support drug legalizing because I hate black people :D


Rather than extra funding of the whole school, it might be better to use the funding to establish new schools, so that those with potential can be given a chance. I'm sure there are enough within a school district, that could succeed but are being held back by the environment, to populate a school. Sure many will not graduate but at least you give some the chance to leave poverty behind.
Ha, good luck with that. Republicans suggest things like that all the time and democrats shoot it down every time. Allowing funding to follow the child instead of going directly to the school is called a "voucher" or "choice" school system. Republicans are generally in favor of vouchers to allow a combination of public and private schools, which would both be free to attend. Countries like Canada, Finland, and Sweden all make use of vouchers, and each of those countries are doing much better than the US. Democrats are strongly against vouchers because teachers employed by the government are unionized. Private schools which follow state standards and accept vouchers would likely not be unionized, so allowing vouchers would significantly hurt the teacher's union. As more voucher-accepting schools are built, the percentage of non-union teachers increases. If those voucher schools take away the student population from public schools, that means public schools shut down as the system slowly moves to privatization.

It's sad, but this is one case where the tinfoil republicans are completely right. Democrats and the unions that donate to democrats really do benefit by holding on to a broken school system that drags down the brightest black students. Those students are stuck with the overcrowded public school where they will be called uncle toms until they give up and go with the flow just to make the bullying stop.
 
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Svnla

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Time magazine 7/29/13, page 20.

M. Nutter (a black guy), current mayor of Philly wrote in Philly, 75% of murder victims were black men, 80% of murder perps were black men. From 1980 to 2008, 47% of murder vitims in the US were blacks while blacks only has a 12% of overall population.

Stop killing each other will be a good start from what I read of Mr. Nutter's article.

In the same magazine, another article stated blacks has a 12% general population but 37% prison population.
 
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highland145

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5. Don't get educated
4. Overeat
3. Raise a fat family
2. Relish in your stupidity
1. Get a hit TV show because so many dummies are fascinated with your life.
Thumb Mom is not amused.
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:D
 

justoh

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Time magazine 7/29/13, page 20.

M. Nutter (a black guy), current mayor of Philly wrote in Philly, 75% of murder victims were black men, 80% of murder perps were black men. From 1980 to 2008, 47% of murder vitims in the US were blacks while blacks only has a 12% of overall population.

Stop killing each other will be a good start from what I read of the article of Mr. Nutter.

In the same magazine, another article stated blacks has a 12% general population but 37% prison population.

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poofyhairguy

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Democrats are strongly against vouchers because teachers employed by the government are unionized. Private schools which follow state standards and accept vouchers would likely not be unionized, so allowing vouchers would significantly hurt the teacher's union.

Actually recently it seems that Democrats have backed off their 100% support of teacher unions. California's rules about parents taking over schools fly right in the face of these unions. I think leaders see that they have to either chose teacher unions or everyone else.

Going forward I think the biggest Democratic gripe about vouchers is/will be related to how many private schools in line to receive these vouchers are religious and teach a religious curriculum.
 

Exterous

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I'm firmly convinced that there isn't much that "white people" or the government can do. Ending the war on drugs is an exception. Without drug dealing as an alternative form of "employment," it might encourage black youth to stick with education and legitimate employment pursuits. Particularly young black males.

I do think that expanding the schools disciplinary abilities and combining that with mandatory attendance to receive aid would help. A free education doesn't seem to be well valued but I think we'd see fewer attendance issues (generally huge issues in poor areas) if they didn't get money when they didn't show up for school
 

Doppel

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I do think that expanding the schools disciplinary abilities and combining that with mandatory attendance to receive aid would help. A free education doesn't seem to be well valued but I think we'd see fewer attendance issues (generally huge issues in poor areas) if they didn't get money when they didn't show up for school
WHO doesn't get this money? The 16 year old kid? He gets none anyway. His mom? She has no control over him anyway and now she's just even worse off. You take it from the school, it will end up with less resources. Apparently some areas have found paying kids to attend school has some efficacy, but it's hard to make kids who don't care at all about school and who have nobody to kick their ass when they are not there actually end up going of their own volition.
 

Exterous

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WHO doesn't get this money? The 16 year old kid? He gets none anyway.

So why mention him?

His mom? She has no control over him anyway and now she's just even worse off.

Who ever the legal guardian is. By law they are required to be responsible for the child. We legally require attendance under threat of imprisonment\fines but the truant officers are often so overworked that truancy goes largely unpunished.

If they are unable to be responsible for the child why should they get money for having had the child?

There are no solutions that covers every possible situation
 

Doppel

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So why mention him?



Who ever the legal guardian is. By law they are required to be responsible for the child. We legally require attendance under threat of imprisonment\fines but the truant officers are often so overworked that truancy goes largely unpunished.

If they are unable to be responsible for the child why should they get money for having had the child?

There are no solutions that covers every possible situation
A lot of these kids' parents are not what we'd call hands-on, or even capable of being hands on. I agree with your theory but I think in practice if it came to pass you'd find inept parents now with even less money, which means greater chance of being kicked out of wherever they live and then an even worse outcome for their kid.
 

poofyhairguy

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WHO doesn't get this money? The 16 year old kid? He gets none anyway. His mom? She has no control over him anyway and now she's just even worse off. You take it from the school, it will end up with less resources. Apparently some areas have found paying kids to attend school has some efficacy, but it's hard to make kids who don't care at all about school and who have nobody to kick their ass when they are not there actually end up going of their own volition.

What if it wasn't money then? What if it went under the CPS tent, aka if you child doesn't go to school you are no longer the legal guardian?
 

Doppel

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What if it wasn't money then? What if it went under the CPS tent, aka if you child doesn't go to school you are no longer the legal guardian?
Nobody would take these kids so they'd have to go to some dorm somewhere. I think a boot camp would be good for a lot of truant teens who need attitude adjustments.

Think Major Payne (great movie).
 

Gintaras

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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/07/27/nr-lemon-no-talking-points.cnn.html

5. pull up your pants
4. stop using the N-word
3. respect your communities; stop littering in your communities
2. finish school/stop shaming other blacks for acting white
1. stop having kids out of wedlock

really don't care about 3-5 as it's irrelevant and I don't see them making a big difference, IMO.
the first two however, would break the cycle within a generation.

What do you offer?
A Dictatorship over thoser, you do like or not?
Are you Supreme Human being?
I would say NO.,..Arrogant and Ignorant - YES

This Planet is SHARED PLACE not only for arrogant and ignorant human species, but for others too - animals, birds, fish....etc...

What is a Democracy? When others can live the way they want? Isn't so?
What is a Dictatorship?
When someone tells others to live the way HE?SHE likes...

So, where are you at?
Where are you - so is The Country....preaching democracy under dictatorship?

You don't like what black people wear...N-word whites use as much as black people do....
Where did Native Americans - Indians disappear? Oh...OK you already have taken care of this problem....

Don't you think, that you can be a Problem Yourself? The World is overcrowded and some "must go", maybe you're one of those, than "must go"...

Just like you think of others, that are "not fit" in your point of view"?
 

nehalem256

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Teach white people not to be racist would be a good start.

White people are the least racist people in the world.

Take a look at Zimbabwe or Haiti for what black people do to white people when they are in charge.

Also take a look at how screwed up both countries are.
 

Gintaras

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White people are the least racist people in the world.

Take a look at Zimbabwe or Haiti for what black people do to white people when they are in charge.

Also take a look at how screwed up both countries are.

To kill your own much easier....

50 MIL in WWII...

Where else were killed 50 Mil in 5 years....Afrika? Australia? etc...

White people are GOOD at killing people...and creating Technologies that will kill themselves...

Still Don't believe Michael Moore: "Stupid White Men"????

History PROVES it....