5 steps to fix black society

[BlahBlahYouToo]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/07/27/nr-lemon-no-talking-points.cnn.html

5. pull up your pants
4. stop using the N-word
3. respect your communities; stop littering in your communities
2. finish school/stop shaming other blacks for acting white
1. stop having kids out of wedlock

really don't care about 3-5 as it's irrelevant and I don't see them making a big difference, IMO.
the first two however, would break the cycle within a generation.

 

[gevorg]

#1 should be destroy BET and start from scratch

 

[Vaux]

Bill Cosby had some great things to say about this:

‘They’re standing on the corner talking and they can’t speak English.’ I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain’t?
Where you is?
What he drive?
Where he stay?
Who you be…?
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting.They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward? Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack… isn’t that a sign of something?
Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of piercings going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa.
I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands? The same applies to 99% of all the black Americans regarding Africa. So stop, already!
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap … and all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
‘We cannot blame the white people any longer.’ It’s NOT about color… it’s about behavior!!!

 

[sandorski]

5) Sing
4) Walk backwards in a strange way
3) Wear a single glove
2) Bleach your skin white
1) Die before the Man figures everything out
:hmm:

This is better:

1) End the War on Drugs
2) Increase funding for Inner City Schools
No need for any more.

 

[baydude]

Full video of O'Reilly's talking point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa7DGhxeYRA

 

[mizzou]

2) Increase funding for Inner City Schools

make inner city schools more attractive then other private/public schools. that's all that is needed, money may not be the only fix.

 

[Svnla]

5) Sing
4) Walk backwards in a strange way
3) Wear a single glove
2) Bleach your skin white
1) Die before the Man figures everything out
:hmm:

This is better:

1) End the War on Drugs
2) Increase funding for Inner City Schools
No need for any more.

Yup, throwing even more money at sucky schools =
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/09/AR2007060901415.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-mcshane/dc-public-schools-grossly_b_1638663.html

:hmm:

How are schools in DC doing?

When former mayor Fenty and former school chancellor Rhee tried their best to fix DC school system, they got kicked/voted out. Status quo FTL.

 

[mizzou]

Anyway, I do feel like we are having some "come to jesus" moments about the status of race in this country.

It's been a long time since desegregation, it's time for a refresher.


EDIT: White people are NOT super clean of the same allegations. This is a POVERTY problem. But I think White people may have a bit of a ability to stand up on the podium and look down, because this is clearly not a prolific problem affecting the White population. And by white, that's the government definition that includes everything that's brown to pale.

 

[mizzou]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYi8kt9Zk0

a good counterpoint to Bill's video.

Again, it concentrates on POVERTY which is the main issue here.

Sure, if everyone just woke up and just quit drugs, bagging scores of women, started working jobs, etc. etc., these problems will go away.

But that's not going to happen like that. Poverty is a strong strong thing.

 

[Annisman*]

Poverty creates babies with no daddys, how ? It's a culture problem, and unfortunately poverty usually goes with it.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Poverty creates babies with no daddys, how ? It's a culture problem, and unfortunately poverty usually goes with it.

If you are so poor to support yourself then how about don't fvcking have children to stop perpetuating the cycle. This isn't a race or a poverty problem, this is a self-responsibility problem.

 

[HendrixFan]

If you are so poor to support yourself then how about don't fvcking have children to stop perpetuating the cycle. This isn't a race or a poverty problem, this is a self-responsibility problem.

Except every statistic says you are dead wrong.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYi8kt9Zk0

a good counterpoint to Bill's video.

Again, it concentrates on POVERTY which is the main issue here.

Sure, if everyone just woke up and just quit drugs, bagging scores of women, started working jobs, etc. etc., these problems will go away.

But that's not going to happen like that. Poverty is a strong strong thing.

Poverty is a symptom tied to the moral and ethical decay and learned helpless of a community that leaves a lasting dependency on government not the other way around. Additionally all the trillions of dollars spent in government aid for the poor and in particularly African Americans has only served to reinforce these factors, especially helplessness in that this aid has effectively stripped away at any overall desire, ambition or motivation amongst people in their community to do better without being reliant on others or government aid and most importantly value the uplifting and empowering ability of a education.

Another good example of a group who has fallen for the same trap of being too heavily reliant on the federal government are Native Americans, admittedly not by choice. However while living on reservations many of them have been for all intense purposes often been placed under the custody, care of the federal government. Partly due to the limitations placed onto them by our Federal government in terms of how they can develop reservation lands which in many cases has incurred a heavy toll on their communities leading to rates of poverty, joblessness, drug and alcohol abuse, dropout rates, crime rates, etc that in some cases are significantly higher than that seen in the African American people in this country.

In the end nothing government can due will solve the issues facing African Americans in society because many of their issues are exacerbated by government action. So the situation will only change when they as a community look internally and start addressing these blatantly harmful issues themselves. Hence believing that we can wave the fabled magic government wand and paper over their problems with government aid is not going to solve anything at all internally within their community or in the long term.

That being said if other people in the US really want to help this community then the best thing to do is to encourage and allow economic opportunities for them (along with any other groups people in the US at the lower end of wealth spectrum). In other words we should be promoting and encouraging a economic environment that makes entrepreneurship easier to achieve and thus encouraging non-reliance on government aid. The best way to accomplish this is to reduce the hurdles and barriers for small business creation and success in the marketplace for communities. This can be achieve by a reduction of regulations, taxes, and mandates, etc which serve no purpose but to stifle small business creation and growth by those at the bottom.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Except every statistic says you are dead wrong.

What statistics are those exactly? And how do those statistics compare to other groups who arrived and moved on but however faced similar hurdles? You do also realize that at one time in this nation there were periods where blacks had a significantly lower rate of single mother headed house holds, lower rate of black on black violence, greater rates of business creation etc? What changed between the past (where racism was more prevalent and accepted) and today?

 

[justoh]

For all intense purposes?

 

[nehalem256]

Poverty creates babies with no daddys, how ? It's a culture problem, and unfortunately poverty usually goes with it.

It obviously doesn't. As society hasn't gotten rich there are more babies with no daddies.

 

[Doppel]

1) End the War on Drugs
2) Increase funding for Inner City Schools
No need for any more.

The drug war needs to be changed, but funding for inner city schools is not the problem. I live in the suburbs and kids here get exactly the same amount of money at the public school as inner city, but they graduate high school at a 95%+ rate instead of half that because their parents are around and somebody gives a shit. You cannot fund train wreck kids from train wreck households into graduating or caring.

Again, it concentrates on POVERTY which is the main issue here.

I know you keep stressing this emphatically, lest any criticism is made of race, but there are definitely characteristics of ultra poor blacks that are different than ultra poor whites.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYi8kt9Zk0

a good counterpoint to Bill's video.

Again, it concentrates on POVERTY which is the main issue here.

Sure, if everyone just woke up and just quit drugs, bagging scores of women, started working jobs, etc. etc., these problems will go away.

But that's not going to happen like that. Poverty is a strong strong thing.

I didn't watch the video yet but I've said this many times here.
Asians, Indians, Vietnam else come here dirt poor without even knowing the language, live in slums and lower class communities and aren't afflicted.
It is cultural.

 

[nehalem256]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYi8kt9Zk0

a good counterpoint to Bill's video.

Again, it concentrates on POVERTY which is the main issue here.

Sure, if everyone just woke up and just quit drugs, bagging scores of women, started working jobs, etc. etc., these problems will go away.

But that's not going to happen like that. Poverty is a strong strong thing.

I am sure I can point out numerous 3rd World countries with lower rates of unwed births than black America.

Are you seriously going to suggest that black Americans have it worse than people from 3rd world countries?

But disregard that. The number of unwed births amongst blacks has skyrocketed since the 1950s. Are you seriously going to suggest that blacks now have it worse than blacks in the 50s?

 

[boomerang]

This is a problem that cannot be solved by the white community. It needs those within the black community that earn their living from stoking the racial divide to understand the advantage of putting themselves out of business. Should that miracle occur, it will still take a minimum of three generations to see any meaningful results.

Our culture has redefined the family. A mother, a father and their children all living under the same roof is passé. Single mothers, two mothers, two daddies, children who a parent decides at the age of three is living inside the body of the wrong gender, etc. The breakdown of the family is colorblind. The breakdown of the family is the root of the problem.

We'll reap what we've sown. Don't expect things to get better anytime soon.

 

[waggy]

1) End the War on Drugs
2) Increase funding for Inner City Schools
No need for any more.

1) diffently needs to be changed. when a guy buying pot gets more jail time then a rapist? something is wrong.

2) money won't solve the problem. It's a culture thing not how much we are spending. How do you make black kids WANT to go to school?

 

[Exterous]

but funding for inner city schools is not the problem. I live in the suburbs and kids here get exactly the same amount of money at the public school as inner city

Come on - at least do some research before you reach a conclusion. Just because you have anecdotal evidence that schools in your area get the same amount of money and that relative funding isn't a problem doesn't mean thats the case for everywhere. A large number of states rely on property taxes to fund education which has caused significant differences in funding between low income and high income area schools:

By 2005, the Illinois gap was still the second-largest, and had gotten worse. Illinois is joined by Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin at the top of the list of states in which the funding gap between high- and low-poverty districts grew between 1999 and 2005.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wherewestand/reports/finance/how-do-we-fund-our-schools/197/

Is throwing more money at the schools going to help? Not on its own but the relative funding differences are certainly a contributing factor as poor inner city schools can't pay teachers\staff as much as richer suburban schools. This has resulted in a talent drain from the poor areas as the best and brightest move on to better paying jobs outside of the area.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I didn't watch the video yet but I've said this many times here.
Asians, Indians, Vietnam else come here dirt poor without even knowing the language, live in slums and lower class communities and aren't afflicted.
It is cultural.

Don't you see only blacks have it rough in life. Asians don't have to endure things like that killed a fvckton of people like the Japanese occupation, Korean War or the Cultural Revolution. The only reason that got nice stuff like Samsung, LG, Acer, Lenovo etc is obviously because they just sat there and keep whining about how the bloody Japs ruined their lives for the past 70 years yo.

 

[boomerang]

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A five year old article based on data from three years prior to that is not research. I doubt that it's even relevant now.

 

[waggy]

actually in IL More is spent on students in Chicago (even the poor districts) then in nearly every country school.

http://sbronars.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/throwing-money-at-the-chicago-public-schools/

the Chicago public schools spent $12,193 per student in 2011'



We received a spreadsheet on how much is spent on each kid at the school they go to. It was under 10k. i do not remember the exact number.

Yet that school has a far higher graduation rate.


but those numbers really don't matter. very little of that is actually spent on the child. what is killing education is bureaucracy. How much of the money going to education is getting eaten up by administration cost? This is the killer in many school districts.