48% Think Spending Cuts Could Trigger Violence

[sandmanwake]

Your concept of "fair" is way off.
...
Obviously, everyone paying the same dollar amount regardless of income level isn't fair. Stop being ridiculous.

Edit: Nevermind, just saw your sig, so I think you definitely picked up on the sarcasm. If a progressive income tax is not your definition of fair, what's your solution? A flat tax where everyone pays the same flat percentage regardless of income level? That would either not bring in enough revenue to run the country or increase the tax burden on the poor and middle class so much they wouldn't have much left to live off of.

 

[her209]

they pay sales tax at walmart

Remember, they also pay taxes that are passed onto them by the businesses.

:awe::awe::awe::awe::awe::awe:

 

[IGBT]

your obama looks forward to entitlement riots. Just listen to his teleprompter.

 

[Siddhartha]

Interesting. some 48% don't pay federal income tax either. Coincidence? I think not. Think for a moment what would happen if we cut food stamps and welfare just 5% across the board. Imagine if they really went after fraud in those programs as means to "cut".

Would the benefactors of those programs think "well, better eat my peas, this is my fair share" or not? Two sides to this coin, those receiving benefits know they'll riot/loot (hey! they did it everywhere else and imma gonna get mine!) and tax payers who are paying attention and also know they will and are preparing for it.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...48_think_spending_cuts_could_trigger_violence

Okay, yes the numbers are the same, according to this poll. But beside being the same number I do not see any correlation between the two. I can see where making the connection might support your agenda but it looks more like a coincidence than anything else

 

[shortylickens]

I think some of the more bloodthirsty are HOPING to trigger violence.

 

[Phokus]

Yes, but those are for specific purposes.

When you pay no federal income taxes then you pay no part of defense, EPA, FDA, DOT, federal police and security etc etc.

45% of the country pays into social security and medicare, which they are expected to get back, and pays for nothing else.

That is a huge problem.

Maybe the rich should have thought about that before destroying jobs.

"Job Creators" my ass.

 

[matt0611]

I'm sure it will, its part of the "entitlement" mentality that the welfare state creates. This is what government and welfare does to a population.

 

[spidey07]

I'm sure it will, its part of the "entitlement" mentality that the welfare state creates. This is what government and welfare does to a population.

Cloward-piven in full swing. This state is no accident.

 

[Pens1566]

Posting in a spidey race riots are coming thread

 

[Jaskalas]

Imagine if we did not extend unemployment.

/thread.

 

[Engineer]

Imagine if we did not extend unemployment.

/thread.

I'm at the point that I agree. I'll also add this...

Imagine if the job creators actually took some of that $2.5 trillion in their accounts and created jobs.

/thread ^ 2

 

[cr0ssfire]

Maybe the rich should have thought about that before destroying jobs.

"Job Creators" my ass.

"The rich" are job creators in this country. How many employees do the poor hire? How many American companies do they put to work by paying for luxuries like yachts and corporate jets? How much of their income do the poor contribute to paying the generous (to put it mildly) salaries of government workers?

You may not completely agree with how they manage their money - I know I don't - but to write them off as clean-cut job destroyers is a mistake.

Companies cut jobs for a lot of reasons. Is some of it greed? You bet. But it's also important to consider other factors such as the impact of government. Companies are fleeing states like California and flocking to states like Texas because they're sick of excessive taxation and regulation. Add the feds' shenanigans to our state-level problems and it's not difficult to see why some businesses move work out of this country.

Don't you get ticked off at the government sometimes? They want to tell us how much water our toilets can use, what lightbulbs we can buy, and on and on. We have to pay fees to "license" everything under the sun - even pets! The wealthy have to deal with these sorts of nuisances on a much larger scale, so even if I detest the outcome of some of their decisions, I at least understand where they're coming from. Bloated government is a problem that affects everyone!

Now I know what you're thinking: if we rolled back the gov't, there's no guarantee that companies would invest their savings in American jobs. And you know what? That's true. But where has staying the course (which started with Dubya) gotten us? Big debt, job losses, and unemployed workers so demoralized that they're giving up. That's not the future I want. I'd like to see us follow the policies that have worked in some states to help them weather this miserable economy.

 

[piasabird]

We dont have to cut everything at once. However, if we keep spending as much as we are soon China will just say we cant have anymore money. If that happens abruptly then there will be a sincere amount of pain.

On the other hand if that same 50% of people that are paying their taxes get an increase and the rest of America continues to get a free ride then maybe there will be blood in the streets. This is the time for everyone to pay their share.

People need jobs to make this work. If that means we have to pass tarriffs and quit importing certain foreign goods like Cars and clothes, then maybe that is what we should do. All free trade has gotten us is the enrichment of China and huge debt.

It is time for an austerity plan. Identify the freeloaders and wean them off of their free government money. We need to get rid of the Government Whores who have babies just to receive governent money. They are just government prostitutes.

 

[Balt]

Interesting. some 48% don't pay federal income tax either. Coincidence? I think not. Think for a moment what would happen if we cut food stamps and welfare just 5% across the board. Imagine if they really went after fraud in those programs as means to "cut".

Eh it's probably more likely to be the Fox News viewers who thinking violence is going to happen. I caught a bit of the O'Reilly Factor last week and he spent 5 minutes drumming up fear about how what was happening in London would happen over here.

It fits with Fox News' message that Obama and the poor want to take everything that you have.

 

[Acanthus]

That is irrelevant and quit making excuses.

Half of the country pays for 2.7% of the bills.
Meanwhile the top 1% pay 38% of the bills.

And yet it is the rich who are constantly accused of not paying their fair share...

The top quintile owns 85% of the stuff.

Nice try.

 

[Acanthus]

"The rich" are job creators in this country. How many employees do the poor hire? How many American companies do they put to work by paying for luxuries like yachts and corporate jets? How much of their income do the poor contribute to paying the generous (to put it mildly) salaries of government workers?

You may not completely agree with how they manage their money - I know I don't - but to write them off as clean-cut job destroyers is a mistake.

Companies cut jobs for a lot of reasons. Is some of it greed? You bet. But it's also important to consider other factors such as the impact of government. Companies are fleeing states like California and flocking to states like Texas because they're sick of excessive taxation and regulation. Add the feds' shenanigans to our state-level problems and it's not difficult to see why some businesses move work out of this country.

Don't you get ticked off at the government sometimes? They want to tell us how much water our toilets can use, what lightbulbs we can buy, and on and on. We have to pay fees to "license" everything under the sun - even pets! The wealthy have to deal with these sorts of nuisances on a much larger scale, so even if I detest the outcome of some of their decisions, I at least understand where they're coming from. Bloated government is a problem that affects everyone!

Now I know what you're thinking: if we rolled back the gov't, there's no guarantee that companies would invest their savings in American jobs. And you know what? That's true. But where has staying the course (which started with Dubya) gotten us? Big debt, job losses, and unemployed workers so demoralized that they're giving up. That's not the future I want. I'd like to see us follow the policies that have worked in some states to help them weather this miserable economy.

The rich are sitting on record amounts of cash. There are 17 corporations with public accounts that are larger than the US treasury. There is no problem with the corporations and rich needing more money to invest.

Furthermore, cutting taxes does not create jobs, nor do giving tax breaks. Any smart manager is going to hire exactly the number of employees he needs, no more, no less. Increasing taxes on a business by 2% is not going to put them in the poor house. If it was, the profit margins would be lower than the average rate of inflation. The whole idea is silly from the start.

 

[BarneyFife]

How come Spidey and Projo act like they are rich in threads? Its already been mentioned by Projo that he had to get USDA assistance to buy a home. That is simply LOLOL

 

[Nemesis 1]

I think that people would be less pissed about a crackdown on fraud then a simple reduction in benefits. For one a crackdown on fraud would only really piss off the people that are defrauding the government, the rest would not care. It would get a lot of public support, and in America public support can stop a riot because our police have the ability to use force, and won’t be constrained to do so when the public is behind them.



I lol . People defrauding the government . Yep it happens . But exactly how much are we defrauded by government .

Here is a example that is 100% fact.

2 years ago I built a new shop. When I did the drive way I wanted curb and gutter put in . The cost to me and any other citizen if they have the same contractor do it as the cities. Was $850 . Your cost varies on footage.
Last year The city fixed an old section of old highway 218. The houses on my villages side of the road all recieved curb and gutter. Which no other citizens in the village benefited. Most properties had about the same amount of curb gutter installed as I did.
The village is charging the people of my village $15,000 for each curb and gutter done . Yet the same contractor who did mine . Is now doing my neighbors At the same price I was Charged I asked him about this . He LOL and said he charged the city the exact same price I paid . To top it off I paid for my own now I have to help pay for the others inflated theiving charges. Ya the people defrauding government . Give me a break .

 

[cr0ssfire]

The rich are sitting on record amounts of cash. There are 17 corporations with public accounts that are larger than the US treasury. There is no problem with the corporations and rich needing more money to invest.

Furthermore, cutting taxes does not create jobs, nor do giving tax breaks. Any smart manager is going to hire exactly the number of employees he needs, no more, no less. Increasing taxes on a business by 2% is not going to put them in the poor house. If it was, the profit margins would be lower than the average rate of inflation. The whole idea is silly from the start.

We should look at economic policy from the perspective of encouraging investment since that's what will pull us out of the ditch we're in.

Businesses are hesitant to invest because they're drowning in a sea of regulation. Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and Sarbanes-Oxley are enormous burdens. Will adding more red tape convince businesses to invest? No, it does exactly the opposite.

Will raising taxes by 2% bankrupt businesses? Probably not. But will it encourage investment? No, it does exactly the opposite. Our corporate tax rate is already among the highest in the world and uncertainty about whether the Bush tax rates will stay in place is a further discouragement.

True, no company will hire more workers than it needs, but the location of those workers is important. California, a state espousing the political principles you seem to favor, is hemorrhaging jobs to states like Texas. Although there isn't a net job increase, it did create jobs for the people in Texas.

Now I see no reason why we shouldn't try to achieve Texas's success on a national level. Did you know that it alone has created more jobs than all other states combined according to the BLS? If we can follow in its footsteps, we might bring some jobs back from overseas.

And that's the key: in the end, it's all a game of getting the rich to invest their money. You may not like them them, but their support will help us recover. You've got to tolerate them for the same reason you put up with a bad boss.

 

[Engineer]

Now I see no reason why we shouldn't try to achieve Texas's success on a national level. Did you know that it alone has created more jobs than all other states combined according to the BLS? If we can follow in its footsteps, we might bring some jobs back from overseas.

I would dare say that the huge spike in oil / energy prices and the fact that Texas has quite a bit of oil / oil infrastructure is a huge reason that Texas has decent jobs but now the rest of the story...

Big gains in government jobs - big loss in manufacturing jobs helps drive Texas jobs under Perry

Texas has highest % of minimum wage (or lower) jobs in nation (not to mention wages are below national average)

Nearly forty percent of them are bottom rung, minimum wage retail and service industry jobs. This high figure makes Texas, along with Mississippi, one of the two hands down state leaders in the number of minimum wage workers.

Without oil, I suspect that the rest of the nation can lower itself below Texas level and lure those slave wage jobs back.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Texas success? LOL. Yeah, they showed how 500k or more live in shacks without running water or electricity. We don't even have that in Detroit.

Eventually our country will crumble. Its a big ponzi scheme from the government spending to Wall Street. Just money being printed and moved back and forth in between legal criminal organizations.

 

[bfdd]

Cutting spending puts Americans out of work, but that is ok! These Americans are mostly Government employees, they aren't creating wealth. Their existence is a drain at the moment. When they have no where to go and the people they were servicing no longer have their services, they'll wonder wtf happened. Hopefully those of us who know what happened, the overgrowth of government, will guide them and educate them towards the right direction.

 

[cr0ssfire]

I would dare say that the huge spike in oil / energy prices and the fact that Texas has quite a bit of oil / oil infrastructure is a huge reason that Texas has decent jobs but now the rest of the story...

Big gains in government jobs - big loss in manufacturing jobs helps drive Texas jobs under Perry

Texas has highest % of minimum wage (or lower) jobs in nation (not to mention wages are below national average)

Nearly forty percent of them are bottom rung, minimum wage retail and service industry jobs. This high figure makes Texas, along with Mississippi, one of the two hands down state leaders in the number of minimum wage workers.

Without oil, I suspect that the rest of the nation can lower itself below Texas level and lure those slave wage jobs back.

Well, if we're going to learn from states like Texas, it's important to take the bad with the good. If you want to present those as your criticisms, that's fine. I'll give you another example of something we can improve on: illegal immigrants in border states like Texas pull down wages for hard-working Americans who are in this country legally. We need to crack down on illegals and the companies that hire them.

Now let's put Texas in perspective with the rest of the states. Texas has become our example of a "conservative" state, so I'll pick California as our example for a "liberal" state. Fair enough?

-Since 2008, when the recession started, Texas has gained 228,000 jobs, while California lost 1,113,200. Me, I'd rather gain jobs than lose them, even if some of them don't meet my full expectations.
-Last year, California had a deficit 220% higher than Texas and a debt 380% higher.
-Since 1970, Texas has added 60% more jobs than California (see link above).
-As of last month, the Texas foreclosure rate was 1 in every 920 mortgages compared to California’s 1 in 239.
-A poll of CEOs ranked Texas as the most business-friendly state for the 7th year in a row. California was ranked dead last. Remember: whether we like them or not, cooperation from wealthy Americans will help us recover.
-The average cost of living in Texas is much lower than the rest of the country, so even if there are more minimum-wage jobs than you would like, this helps offset that.

Remember that minimum-wage jobs don't exist in a vacuum; there are always higher-paying positions above them. Just having a job gives the worker something to do and keeps him off the government dime, something that has become a problem lately.

One thing we should run with from Texas is American energy production! Drilling can put Americans to work and reduce our dependency on foreign oil from countries that don’t view us favorably. I don't think either of us would disagree that President Obama’s drilling moratorium has hurt our economy and destroyed jobs.

You, my liberal friend, should look beyond the pages of your favorite left-leaning publications and just look at our country. You had a dream come true in 2008: control of Congress and the White House. No good came of it and the Democrats suffered an historic defeat in 2010. Liberal policies continue to fail in places like California and our inner cities. We need to break from Dubya and Obama and make real change, not "hope and change".

 

[BarneyFife]

Cutting spending puts Americans out of work, but that is ok! These Americans are mostly Government employees, they aren't creating wealth. Their existence is a drain at the moment. When they have no where to go and the people they were servicing no longer have their services, they'll wonder wtf happened. Hopefully those of us who know what happened, the overgrowth of government, will guide them and educate them towards the right direction.

The only place you will be guiding them is when you're both in line at the unemployment office begging for scraps. You are too dense to realize that all those vendors, contractors etc... are going to get cut too. You think Boeing survives on airplane orders from peasants like yourself? You think General Dynamics is going to sell tanks to the state fair? Thats how stupid some of you are.

 

[BarneyFife]

Well, if we're going to learn from states like Texas, it's important to take the bad with the good. If you want to present those as your criticisms, that's fine. I'll give you another example of something we can improve on: illegal immigrants in border states like Texas pull down wages for hard-working Americans who are in this country legally. We need to crack down on illegals and the companies that hire them.

Now let's put Texas in perspective with the rest of the states. Texas has become our example of a "conservative" state, so I'll pick California as our example for a "liberal" state. Fair enough?

-Since 2008, when the recession started, Texas has gained 228,000 jobs, while California lost 1,113,200. Me, I'd rather gain jobs than lose them, even if some of them don't meet my full expectations.
-Last year, California had a deficit 220% higher than Texas and a debt 380% higher.
-Since 1970, Texas has added 60% more jobs than California (see link above).
-As of last month, the Texas foreclosure rate was 1 in every 920 mortgages compared to California’s 1 in 239.
-A poll of CEOs ranked Texas as the most business-friendly state for the 7th year in a row. California was ranked dead last. Remember: whether we like them or not, cooperation from wealthy Americans will help us recover.
-The average cost of living in Texas is much lower than the rest of the country, so even if there are more minimum-wage jobs than you would like, this helps offset that.

Remember that minimum-wage jobs don't exist in a vacuum; there are always higher-paying positions above them. Just having a job gives the worker something to do and keeps him off the government dime, something that has become a problem lately.

One thing we should run with from Texas is American energy production! Drilling can put Americans to work and reduce our dependency on foreign oil from countries that don’t view us favorably. I don't think either of us would disagree that President Obama’s drilling moratorium has hurt our economy and destroyed jobs.

You, my liberal friend, should look beyond the pages of your favorite left-leaning publications and just look at our country. You had a dream come true in 2008: control of Congress and the White House. No good came of it and the Democrats suffered an historic defeat in 2010. Liberal policies continue to fail in places like California and our inner cities. We need to break from Dubya and Obama and make real change, not "hope and change".

So how is that going to help when the leeches on wall street run up oil to $100 barrel? You know its going to happen. Whoever owns the field is going to export it to China.