$43,318

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

He'd be a lot happier if his life wasn't screwed up. That was a dumb call on your part. There's no way to be happy about being broke and hurt.

You be happy for the good things in your life. He has a wife and children who are alive and living with him (and I assume love him). A positive attitude goes a long way.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Pablo
Funboy, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. Charity is a temporary solution to people's problems. Somebody that looks for charity long term just to survive is oftentimes just a leech, and has grown to depend on it. When you are GIVEN money, it helps get you through a hard time, but it doesn't TEACH you anything. Too many people have been shown so much charity that they depend on it. And rarely do they return the favor.

it's so sad that people think it is that simple. our welfare system is effed up. you aren't encouraged to get a job. you are encouraged to stay on welfare and not work. as soon as you do get a job, you are cut-off.
it should be that they will supplement your income until you start to make a decent amount. but no it's all or nothing, and for some families nothing is not a choice. not when healthcare, transportation, daycare cost so much.

the poverty level that determines welfare eligibility hasn't been adjust properly for over 50 years. they don't take into account the cost of health insurance, car insurance, or housing. it's based mostly on the cost of food, which has hardly inflated at all compared with most other living expenses.

i know people love to talk sh!t on those on welfare, but they need to face the fact that welfare doesn't work like it should. And they don't know what the hell they are talking about until they have to wait in line for gov't cheesefood product they should shut their pieholes.

I'd like to see you find somebody that truly believes that welfare works like it should. are you saying that giving more money to welfare recipients would encourage them to get off welfare and work? If not, what would you recommend?

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does The rich have loop holes so they dont have to pay much in taxes and why not. Most of the law makers and people in congress are rich and they need to make sure they stay rich and not give to much.

And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.

That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.

Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?

Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.

Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.

So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.

Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.

So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.

I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.

For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.

Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.

OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

Wouldnt you be bitter that in one day your whole life changed and everything you were able to do your couldnt? Wouldnt you be bitter that the people that are set up to help you will not because your not the right color of skin but white and supposed to NEVER go on welfair. Or how about once you get it your life wast taken from you forcing your wife to have to pull in an income that doesnt make enough to better yourself. Or how about if you did welfair takes some stuff away from you making you pay for it keeping you in the same situation being poor.

So yes I am bitter because I had my life and my familys life taken from us in the blink of an eye and I couldnt do anything about it or to get us out and the people who gave us money was enough just to keep us where we were and not get out. People like us need that extra help and not send billions to Africa when that help can make us productive again.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

He'd be a lot happier if his life wasn't screwed up. That was a dumb call on your part. There's no way to be happy about being broke and hurt.

Not defending his comment, but there are plenty of people that are in worse situations than funboy42 and are probably not nearly as bitter. Attitude has a lot to do with your quality of life.

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: zendari
necessity- Something necessary: The necessities of life include food, clothing, and shelter

Internet access doesn't qualify. I wonder what other luxuries you blow money on.

Perhaps you should try not having/keeping kids you can't afford. And if you are truly so disabled that you can't get a job i doubt you are fit enough to go on a murderous rampage.

WTF is wrong with you. Someone should have to give up his/her kids because they get disabled? That's sick. I think $20/month for internet is a necessity if you want your child to have a decent shot in school. In that case its well worth the 3 hours of work for $7/hour every month.

 

[SouthPaW1227]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

He'd be a lot happier if his life wasn't screwed up. That was a dumb call on your part. There's no way to be happy about being broke and hurt.

You be happy for the good things in your life. He has a wife and children who are alive and living with him (and I assume love him). A positive attitude goes a long way.

That's easy to say from outside. What if his wife and kids are piss poor and wearing rags...makes the man of the house feel so great, now doesn't it?

Of course it's good to be THANKFUL but c'mon...good thoughts only go so far.

 

[BigJ]

funboy42, didn't you just get a pretty hefty settlement in your disability case?

Doesn't that change a lot about your situation?

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Pablo
Funboy, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. Charity is a temporary solution to people's problems. Somebody that looks for charity long term just to survive is oftentimes just a leech, and has grown to depend on it. When you are GIVEN money, it helps get you through a hard time, but it doesn't TEACH you anything. Too many people have been shown so much charity that they depend on it. And rarely do they return the favor.

it's so sad that people think it is that simple. our welfare system is effed up. you aren't encouraged to get a job. you are encouraged to stay on welfare and not work. as soon as you do get a job, you are cut-off.
it should be that they will supplement your income until you start to make a decent amount. but no it's all or nothing, and for some families nothing is not a choice. not when healthcare, transportation, daycare cost so much.

the poverty level that determines welfare eligibility hasn't been adjust properly for over 50 years. they don't take into account the cost of health insurance, car insurance, or housing. it's based mostly on the cost of food, which has hardly inflated at all compared with most other living expenses.

i know people love to talk sh!t on those on welfare, but they need to face the fact that welfare doesn't work like it should. And they don't know what the hell they are talking about until they have to wait in line for gov't cheesefood product they should shut their pieholes.

I'd like to see you find somebody that truly believes that welfare works like it should. are you saying that giving more money to welfare recipients would encourage them to get off welfare and work? If not, what would you recommend?

I think limited welfare is okay. A few months to find a new job, or permanently, for the disabled. We shouldn't be paying for men and women to sit at home and watch TV when they're perfectly capable, but not willing.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

He'd be a lot happier if his life wasn't screwed up. That was a dumb call on your part. There's no way to be happy about being broke and hurt.

You be happy for the good things in your life. He has a wife and children who are alive and living with him (and I assume love him). A positive attitude goes a long way.

That's easy to say from outside. What if his wife and kids are piss poor and wearing rags...makes the man of the house feel so great, now doesn't it?

Of course it's good to be THANKFUL but c'mon...good thoughts only go so far.

Eh, you have to be happy, regardless of the situation. I guess 20 years of depression taught me something.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227

That's easy to say from outside. What if his wife and kids are piss poor and wearing rags...makes the man of the house feel so great, now doesn't it?

Of course it's good to be THANKFUL but c'mon...good thoughts only go so far.

His wife and kids could be whoring themselves out for money, like plenty of poor families do.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does The rich have loop holes so they dont have to pay much in taxes and why not. Most of the law makers and people in congress are rich and they need to make sure they stay rich and not give to much.

And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.

That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.

Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?

Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.

Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.

So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.

Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.

So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.

I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.

For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.

Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.

OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

Wouldnt you be bitter that in one day your whole life changed and everything you were able to do your couldnt? Wouldnt you be bitter that the people that are set up to help you will not because your not the right color of skin but white and supposed to NEVER go on welfair. Or how about once you get it your life wast taken from you forcing your wife to have to pull in an income that doesnt make enough to better yourself. Or how about if you did welfair takes some stuff away from you making you pay for it keeping you in the same situation being poor.

So yes I am bitter because I had my life and my familys life taken from us in the blink of an eye and I couldnt do anything about it or to get us out and the people who gave us money was enough just to keep us where we were and not get out. People like us need that extra help and not send billions to Africa when that help can make us productive again.

Sound to me like the ONLY problem with you family though is that you can't make as much money. You've got a wife who sticks by you and obviously cares for you and your kids, you're looking at getting a house if I remember correctly... The rest of your life will SUCK if you play woulda shoulda coulda for the remainder of it. You've got good kids who you love and who love you. Don't let a bad attitude diminish that.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Pablo
I'm not in the situation so I don't know, but I think if things are too comfortable, there is no motivation to get off welfare or disablility. Its kind of one of those "how much is enough" situations... Those types of decisions make me glad I'm not involved in government affairs... sometimes there is no good solution...

there is certainly no good solution now. there is no motivation to get off welfare because you get penalized for getting off of it.
it's an all or none game. once you cross that poverty line you're on your own. check out the poverty line figures for a family of four. 2 people making $7 and hour will make them ineligible for welfare, medicaid, food stamps etc.

 

[SouthPaW1227]

I think limited welfare is okay. A few months to find a new job, or permanently, for the disabled. We shouldn't be paying for men and women to sit at home and watch TV when they're perfectly capable, but not willing.

Precisely. I first noticed this in middle school where kids would stand in line everyday and get "free lunches" while rockin' $150 Timberland boots (new color for everyday of the week) and $40 "RocaWear" shirts.

Now I might have my priorities outta order, but how the hell do you afford designer clothes for your kids, but still get welfare and the ability to give them free lunch.

I vote ban.

BTW I am official "1337" for a moment.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does The rich have loop holes so they dont have to pay much in taxes and why not. Most of the law makers and people in congress are rich and they need to make sure they stay rich and not give to much.

And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.

That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.

Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?

Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.

Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.

So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.

Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.

So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.

I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.

For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.

Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.

OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.

You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.

Wouldnt you be bitter that in one day your whole life changed and everything you were able to do your couldnt? Wouldnt you be bitter that the people that are set up to help you will not because your not the right color of skin but white and supposed to NEVER go on welfair. Or how about once you get it your life wast taken from you forcing your wife to have to pull in an income that doesnt make enough to better yourself. Or how about if you did welfair takes some stuff away from you making you pay for it keeping you in the same situation being poor.

So yes I am bitter because I had my life and my familys life taken from us in the blink of an eye and I couldnt do anything about it or to get us out and the people who gave us money was enough just to keep us where we were and not get out. People like us need that extra help and not send billions to Africa when that help can make us productive again.

The thing is, you're surviving. People in Africa are dying. Is your life more valuable, just because you're American?

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Pablo
Funboy, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. Charity is a temporary solution to people's problems. Somebody that looks for charity long term just to survive is oftentimes just a leech, and has grown to depend on it. When you are GIVEN money, it helps get you through a hard time, but it doesn't TEACH you anything. Too many people have been shown so much charity that they depend on it. And rarely do they return the favor.

it's so sad that people think it is that simple. our welfare system is effed up. you aren't encouraged to get a job. you are encouraged to stay on welfare and not work. as soon as you do get a job, you are cut-off.
it should be that they will supplement your income until you start to make a decent amount. but no it's all or nothing, and for some families nothing is not a choice. not when healthcare, transportation, daycare cost so much.

the poverty level that determines welfare eligibility hasn't been adjust properly for over 50 years. they don't take into account the cost of health insurance, car insurance, or housing. it's based mostly on the cost of food, which has hardly inflated at all compared with most other living expenses.

i know people love to talk sh!t on those on welfare, but they need to face the fact that welfare doesn't work like it should. And they don't know what the hell they are talking about until they have to wait in line for gov't cheesefood product they should shut their pieholes.

I'd like to see you find somebody that truly believes that welfare works like it should. are you saying that giving more money to welfare recipients would encourage them to get off welfare and work? If not, what would you recommend?

Like what I been recomending. Pay for the mean time our bills. Food, car insurance, gas, housing, daycare, insurance, and schooling for 4 years (or less). This would allow my wife and I the ability to to get a education that would accomodate my disability and my wife to better her education to make a living out of school and not be in poverty. Upon graduation allow us a few moths to adjust and take it all over. Once that is done we will make enough to keep aflot, bay our bills, have a checking account again, and pay back the money that had been given to us to do so. If it doesnt get done like this and you are given just enough to pay the bills and nothing more how can anyone see another way out.

And again do this strictly for the people who deserve it and not the ones who can care less.

 

[SouthPaW1227]

The thing is, you're surviving. People in Africa are dying. Is your life more valuable, just because you're American?

The thing is we've already given TONS AND TONS of money to this nation and it has done ZERO good. The warlords that run their government steal that money & food for themselves. So there's only one real solution: kill their warlords/government. And that too, is too expensive.

Besides, as cynical as it sounds, this is natural selection as it's finest. If those 30k people that are dying daily in Africa suddenly start LIVING, you may be surprised how quickly WE start starving.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Pablo
I'm not in the situation so I don't know, but I think if things are too comfortable, there is no motivation to get off welfare or disablility. Its kind of one of those "how much is enough" situations... Those types of decisions make me glad I'm not involved in government affairs... sometimes there is no good solution...

there is certainly no good solution now. there is no motivation to get off welfare because you get penalized for getting off of it.
it's an all or none game. once you cross that poverty line you're on your own. check out the poverty line figures for a family of four. 2 people making $7 and hour will make them ineligible for welfare, medicaid, food stamps etc.

Yeah but when you do the math it doesn't seem so bad...
Two people working 40 hours a week making 7 bucks and hour each gives you $29,120 a year. You're not going to be living in the hamptons, but you definately aren't having to beg for food...

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Pablo
I'm not in the situation so I don't know, but I think if things are too comfortable, there is no motivation to get off welfare or disablility. Its kind of one of those "how much is enough" situations... Those types of decisions make me glad I'm not involved in government affairs... sometimes there is no good solution...

there is certainly no good solution now. there is no motivation to get off welfare because you get penalized for getting off of it.
it's an all or none game. once you cross that poverty line you're on your own. check out the poverty line figures for a family of four. 2 people making $7 and hour will make them ineligible for welfare, medicaid, food stamps etc.

Yeah but when you do the math it doesn't seem so bad...
Two people working 40 hours a week making 7 bucks and hour each gives you $29,120 a year. You're not going to be living in the hamptons, but you definately aren't having to beg for food...

how many $7 and hour jobs offer health insurance? or daycare?
if it was just two people then sure that's enough to get by. but with two kids as well?

maybe the solution is to limit sex to only those who make a certain amount. that would be some serious motivation to stay in school .

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

how many $7 and hour jobs offer health insurance? or daycare?
if it was just two people then sure that's enough to get by. but with two kids as well?

maybe the solution is to limit sex to only those who make a certain amount. that would be some serious motivation to stay in school .

Plenty of fast food jobs offer healthcare as long as you work full time. They also offer quite a few other benefits. At least at Wendys.

 

[SouthPaW1227]

It's hard to get on full-time at places like fast-food and Wal-Mart

They'd rather hire 2 workers at 20 hrs/week to save THEM money as they don't hafta pay those 2 workers full-time benefits.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

how many $7 and hour jobs offer health insurance? or daycare?
if it was just two people then sure that's enough to get by. but with two kids as well?

maybe the solution is to limit sex to only those who make a certain amount. that would be some serious motivation to stay in school .

Plenty of fast food jobs offer healthcare as long as you work full time. They also offer quite a few other benefits. At least at Wendys.

Yep. We're talking about full-time jobs for self-sufficient adults, not part-time teenager jobs.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227
It's hard to get on full-time at places like fast-food and Wal-Mart

They'd rather hire 2 workers at 20 hrs/week to save THEM money as they don't hafta pay those 2 workers full-time benefits.

Depends on which place you go to. My manager just hired myself, along with 2 other full-time workers for the summer, and then if we stick around will go part-time in the fall for school.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

how many $7 and hour jobs offer health insurance? or daycare?
if it was just two people then sure that's enough to get by. but with two kids as well?

maybe the solution is to limit sex to only those who make a certain amount. that would be some serious motivation to stay in school .

Plenty of fast food jobs offer healthcare as long as you work full time. They also offer quite a few other benefits. At least at Wendys.

Yep. We're talking about full-time jobs for self-sufficient adults, not part-time teenager jobs.

And if these "part-time teenager jobs" wind up giving you more in benefits + pay than the other $13/hr job, what's the big deal?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: zendari
necessity- Something necessary: The necessities of life include food, clothing, and shelter

Internet access doesn't qualify. I wonder what other luxuries you blow money on.

Perhaps you should try not having/keeping kids you can't afford. And if you are truly so disabled that you can't get a job i doubt you are fit enough to go on a murderous rampage.

WTF is wrong with you. Someone should have to give up his/her kids because they get disabled? That's sick. I think $20/month for internet is a necessity if you want your child to have a decent shot in school. In that case its well worth the 3 hours of work for $7/hour every month.

Do whats best for the kids. There are these things called public schools that I assume his kids go to, that have internet access?

Plus 40 hours is hardly the modern day "full time" workweek, even if it is defined as such. My father makes a solid sum of money at Morgan Stanley, at many respectable companies 40 hours is laughable.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227
man there's a lot of millionaries in America

wish they'd spread the wealth a little

So we can have communist society instead of capitalist?