Hell, yes. Drop income tax and go to a national sales tax.Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class doesThe rich have loop holes so they dont have to pay much in taxes and why not. Most of the law makers and people in congress are rich and they need to make sure they stay rich and not give to much.
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
I am all for a sales tax system, but most of the poor and middle don't understand it.
However, no one said any has to have kids.
funboy6942
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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?
Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.
Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.
So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.
Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.
So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.
I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.
For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.
OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.
I call shens.
If I make $1,000,000 a year and pay FIFTY PERCENT TAXES I still clear $500,000
That's a DAMN lot of money and I know they don't pay 50%. They should hafta pay like 75% while we normal folks pay like 5%.
Take a little initiative, get off your ass, and earn your own money. Otherwise, you'd just piss away their money just like you do now. And you would learn jacks hit.
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Class mobility in the US is decreasing every year. The odds of you growing up poor and making it to middle class are just getting lower and lower.
Money wins, (almost) always.
Haaaaaahahahahaha *breath* haaaaaahahahaha
Hey blowhole, I'm 20 years old making about that national average right now and I HAVEN'T EVEN GRADUATED COLLEGE YET. I'm paying my own way through college (folks are lower/middle-class...never had a whole lot) and I'm a damn determined hard worker. I'm grateful for the opportunities I've had thus far and will hopefully continue to have as far as work is concerned.
Take your face outta your arse and lighten up. All I was saying is that I aspire to be a millionaire myself one day, and I wish it was today and not when I'm 30, 40, or beyond.
I also disagree with our tax system and our stupidity as to send money to Africa as if it's really gonna help things. We should help our own homeless first.
Thats exactly why I'm leaving my job and going into a service type industry that can't be farmed out to somone in India or China or have products made cheaper elsewhere. I work in the plastic industry right now and we are the largest privately owned one. We just lost a contract to a chinese company who underbid us by 30%. Its just a matter of time before they go after our other products and I'm out of a job. Getting out while the getting is good. Hand in my two week notice on Friday.
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?
Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.
Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.
So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.
Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.
So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.
I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.
For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.
OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.
Funboy, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. Charity is a temporary solution to people's problems. Somebody that looks for charity long term just to survive is oftentimes just a leech, and has grown to depend on it. When you are GIVEN money, it helps get you through a hard time, but it doesn't TEACH you anything. Too many people have been shown so much charity that they depend on it. And rarely do they return the favor.
I didn't go to college (actually I did, I just got a job and left before I finished), I'm the only person working, and yet I make well more than the average household income.
Then again, I was always well ahead of the curve throughout school. Education can cure ignorance, but nothing can cure stupidity. You're stuck what you're dealt with in that regard.
funboy6942
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THANK YOU! and only help the homeless and poor with real problems that are stuck in a hole. Not the ones that can do something but would rather get drunk all day or nothing at all but live off what little the government gives them now.
No, you don't clear 500k, really. You have state taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, vehicle registrations, food taxes, etc, etc, etc.
You are lucky to have 25% left over....anyone pretty much is.
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?
Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.
Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.
So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.
Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.
So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.
You seem to be affording internet access just fine.
Your an asshatt. I hate people that think like you that think that because I am poor and disabled I shouldnt have anything really at all. I cant do anything anymore then sit here watch tv and do the internet but god forbid I spend $20 a moth to keep myself sane. I should give that up and just go into a corner and die.
And lets see if I didnt use the $20 a month that $20 would pay for my wife to quit, to go to school, get us out of this trailer, or pay for another car. You know they sell cars that only cost you $20 a month. What the $20 a month does pay for is gives me something to do, my child can continue to research stuff on the internet along with me, talkk to my family memebers so I dont have to pay long distance charges or use minutes up. KEPPS ME SORTA SANE. But actually by spending the $20 saves me more money in the long run in educational books, long distance charges, minute overages, and me from going nuts killing people left and right.
necessity- Something necessary: The necessities of life include food, clothing, and shelter
Internet access doesn't qualify. I wonder what other luxuries you blow money on.
Perhaps you should try not having/keeping kids you can't afford. And if you are truly so disabled that you can't get a job i doubt you are fit enough to go on a murderous rampage.
Your original comment was about not being able to work because of disability, and your wife not making much money.
If you had disability insurance, your income would have never changed.
Again, that's why the have such things. I'm sorry you didn't have it, and maybe you'd still have other expenses, but you'd still have your income.
I agree with you two about how our Africa spending is just a band-aid, and probably less important to the US GOVERNMENT than its own citizens, but it'd be a better idea to rehabilitate people with disabilities, by giving them a means to generate income on their own rather than increase the $ that they get.
funboy6942
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Originally posted by: Pablo
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?
Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.
Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.
So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.
Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.
So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.
I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.
For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.
OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.
Funboy, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. Charity is a temporary solution to people's problems. Somebody that looks for charity long term just to survive is oftentimes just a leech, and has grown to depend on it. When you are GIVEN money, it helps get you through a hard time, but it doesn't TEACH you anything. Too many people have been shown so much charity that they depend on it. And rarely do they return the favor.
I dont have to big of a chip on my shoulder but I do agree that whn given money they want more. What I am asking or proposing is people in my situation that needs more then a few bucks here or there. Need money to pull them out of the situatioon and allow them to go back to scholl or get re-trained into a career to keep them out of the hole the were pulled from. Little here and there only keeps a person afloat but if they dont get the means to keep themself afloat by paying the bills, the childreen fed and looked for, and go to school they cant get out. Thats why I used my situation. We had no way out if it wasnt for the workerscomp suit. My wife would oif had to keep her meaning less job, we would be stuck inthis small 2bedroom trailer for the 4 ouf us, and without being to afford much more then the bills with little left how do we go to school or do anything more? Thats where the much needed help needs to come ito play for family's that want and need to better themseves but cannot without some major support.
Dude you didn't say if you had broadband or not. So I ass-u-me that you don't. Try www.mailaka.net for Internet access. I use it and it has been very dependable. It also has news groups. I pay about $7.00 a month and it is well worth it.
Gunslinger08
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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?
Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.
Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.
So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.
Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.
So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.
I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.
For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.
OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.
You are one incredibly bitter person. You'd be a lot happier if you weren't so angry about your situation.
Pablo, what part of "my folks did not just buy my way through college and I'm determined to make a better life for myself but I'm not a millionaire quite yet" did you not understand?
I will definitely give cash to respectable charties and the like if I ever get so rich.
I will definitely give cash to respectable charties and the like if I ever get so rich.
It's an average people! Of course there will be people who make a lot less and some who make a lot...
funboy6942
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THANK YOU, I am not very well schooled (as if none of you figured that out by now) but that is the point I was trying to make with all the BS above. We need it where its not so the money given is more but help us keep afloat while we try to better ourselves be it schooling or whatever it takes to make sure we can get enough to get off the system and support our families again. I HATE being on welfair. I hate not being able to do something to help my family out. I hate not being able to work and do the stuff I used to and loveed to do. But most of all hat the way things are run to keep you porr and not give you the real support you need.
He'd be a lot happier if his life wasn't screwed up. That was a dumb call on your part. There's no way to be happy about being broke and hurt.
it's so sad that people think it is that simple. our welfare system is effed up. you aren't encouraged to get a job. you are encouraged to stay on welfare and not work. as soon as you do get a job, you are cut-off.
it should be that they will supplement your income until you start to make a decent amount. but no it's all or nothing, and for some families nothing is not a choice. not when healthcare, transportation, daycare cost so much.
the poverty level that determines welfare eligibility hasn't been adjust properly for over 50 years. they don't take into account the cost of health insurance, car insurance, or housing. it's based mostly on the cost of food, which has hardly inflated at all compared with most other living expenses.
i know people love to talk sh!t on those on welfare, but they need to face the fact that welfare doesn't work like it should. they don't know what the hell they are talking about. until they have to wait in line for gov't cheesefood product they should shut their pieholes.
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Pablo
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Sorry about your situationk, but that's why I have disability insurance. That's why they sell it.Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: funboy42
No they dont the middle and low class does
And that $43318 is the combination of both parents working. The wife is working to pay for the babysitter and child care if they have any. And if not they may not be able to afford to have childreen. Lets send more money to africa not here where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and can never get out of thier hole to do something with thier lives and be more productive in the US.
That's a load of sh[/b]it. I've gone from growing up living under the poverty level to just recently graduating college. It took a lot of work, but it's possible if you want it.
Load of sh1t huh. Well I went from making a living to getting fvcked up and not being able to work anymore. I live in a trailer with 2 of my boys, I am on welfair and my wife makes only $7 an hour and works full time. Because of my disability I couldnt do the same work as before. Also because of my disability IF I was able to find a job where it wasnt moraly wrong who would pay me just to sit there. A home job is out because I live in a trailer with no roon at all and screaming kids all day long. We can only afford one car because fuel is to much and insurance on another car we couldnt afford per month payments NOR to pay it off for the year. Ontop of that IF I got a job it would pay so low we would never be able to pay off the child care for my childreen. Someone to pick up my oldest during school and to watch my youngest all day till one of us got home. Then durring the summer to have someone watch them all day long. Do you think $7 an hour would pay fo rthat when it costs more then $7 an hour to watch two kids?
Now welfair doesnt give you that much. Because my wife is working we dont get any cash and the ammount in food stamps we get is BARLEY enough for a family of 4 to live on and hardly any snacks with just regular food ($300 for a month). After the bills are paid and the extra money we have to use on milk eggs and other things needed during the month there is no money left over from her checks.
Ontop of all of this welfair in Indiana is set up so that if I got any kind of money at all I may have to pay them back for all they gave me yet ONCE again not having the funds to pull me out of my hole because I may have to give them all I got depending on how long they have been giving you support.
So if your wife is barly making enough, you get some money and they take you off the system. The money you had is now gone to pay them back and cant get yourself re-trained or wife trained for a better job so she is still stuck making $7 and with NO assistance at all you are ONCE AGAIN forced to go back on welfair with no chance of ever getting out of your hell hole.
Now I will agree with you that if you are an able body and can do something about your situation there should be no reason. BUT I am not the only one that went from lower midddle class to near homeless because of a disability. THE only way I could ever better myself is if I got some money that got me out of my hole, paid everyone off, and was enough to get me or my wofe reschooled or purchase a house with a office and some money to invest to start an at home job.
So kinda hard when you dont have the means without some outside help (when your in my situation) to better yourself because the system is set up to keep you in the system as long as possable.
I think some money should be put aside for people in my situation that all of a sudden the wife quickly has to take over and your forced into a near homless situation. Should be set up to get you into a better home, money to support your family till someone can get retrained into a better carrer where they can afford to stay afloat and slowly pay back a portion of what was given to them. This kind of support should be give to only familys liek us. Someone that jsut doesnt want to work, has nothing worng or even cares enough about themselves to do something shouldnt be allowed to take part in the program. But in our case where we were trully stuck with no way of getting out because of our situation and what had happended with a family that needs that kind of help to make a better life because everything would be taken care of while they can focus only on school to better themselves quickly there should be something doen about making that a reality.
For us if I hadnt gotten the lawsuit from workers comp we would be stuck being trailer trash and poor the rest of our lives. Hopefully because the federal government can tax the ammount I got that State of Indiana wont ask for me to repay the welfair money. If they do I am trully screwed big time.
OMFG even if I had the insurance it doesnt pay for everythign just a very small part. I had it at one time. Everyone seems to always have the answer when it never happens to them. They think nothing bad could happen its no big deal. Will I wish for alot of you who think like I used to think that what has happend to us never happends to you. You will get a huge slap in the face on how everything really works in this world and take back every comment you had ever made against people on welfair or who are disabled.
Funboy, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. Charity is a temporary solution to people's problems. Somebody that looks for charity long term just to survive is oftentimes just a leech, and has grown to depend on it. When you are GIVEN money, it helps get you through a hard time, but it doesn't TEACH you anything. Too many people have been shown so much charity that they depend on it. And rarely do they return the favor.
I dont have to big of a chip on my shoulder but I do agree that whn given money they want more. What I am asking or proposing is people in my situation that needs more then a few bucks here or there. Need money to pull them out of the situatioon and allow them to go back to scholl or get re-trained into a career to keep them out of the hole the were pulled from. Little here and there only keeps a person afloat but if they dont get the means to keep themself afloat by paying the bills, the childreen fed and looked for, and go to school they cant get out. Thats why I used my situation. We had no way out if it wasnt for the workerscomp suit. My wife would oif had to keep her meaning less job, we would be stuck inthis small 2bedroom trailer for the 4 ouf us, and without being to afford much more then the bills with little left how do we go to school or do anything more? Thats where the much needed help needs to come ito play for family's that want and need to better themseves but cannot without some major support.
I'm not in the situation so I don't know, but I think if things are too comfortable, there is no motivation to get off welfare or disablility. Its kind of one of those "how much is enough" situations... Those types of decisions make me glad I'm not involved in government affairs... sometimes there is no good solution...
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