$35,000 Tesla Model III Is Coming In 2017

[heymrdj]

His friend wants Tesla to buy his Model 3 back under the Lemon Law and yet he wants to buy another Model 3. You don't find that crazy? Why would he do that unless the car is amazing when it works.

I suggest getting into some other car and truck communities. This is an everyday thing.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Going to agree there. I'm on a few forums for higher end SUV and people who go through buy backs will buy the same vehicle again a majority of the time. A lot of people understand that you can unlucky and have vehicles that just don't work right. Now personally, I'd be off that train and moving onto my number 2 choice. Though there aren't really any number 2 choices for Teslas right now so even more people would likely stick it out through a buy back.

 

[zinfamous]

That's pretty crazy and yet speaks volume about how good Model 3 is. You have someone pursuing Lemon Law and wants to buy another Model 3. How often does that happen for other cars?

All of the people in the GTI forum that I frequent that are dealing with the common stalling problem in 2019 models? Like...every single one of them. No one wants another car because it's the only car worth driving.

I think you'll find that car fandom goes back way, way, way further than the existence of Tesla.

 

[ponyo]

Maybe it's just me but if I bought Model 3 and it turned out to be a lemon, I doubt I would buy another Model 3 or even another Tesla unless Tesla treated me very well during the Lemon buyback process.

 

[ponyo]

Tesla Model S Plaid supposedly lapped Nürburgring in 7 minutes 13 seconds.

https://insideevs.com/news/380247/tesla-model-s-plaid-beat-taycan/

 

[zinfamous]

Maybe it's just me but if I bought Model 3 and it turned out to be a lemon, I doubt I would buy another Model 3 or even another Tesla unless Tesla treated me very well during the Lemon buyback process.

I think it's a function of the new car-buying process. A lot of buyers become very invested in their choice because, hopefully...much research was done. Potential negatives are accepted before the final decision is made. You get very attached to the machine. You watch videos. You read the owner testimonies, watch their videos. You want that thing, and it's all you want. When it turns out to be a lemon, the human response is to reject the notion that you made a bad decision, and just find one that works. Logically, it probably is just a lemon, anyway, so it's not all that irrational to replace with another of the same model.

When my GTI started stalling, after I knew that was a distinct possibility before buying it, I wasn't too annoyed. Dealing with it took a month or two, but in my case, it appears to be fixed, and I had no pushback or hassle from the dealer/service center. I was starting to get a little frustrated when I dropped it off the second time, and they mentioned performing a potential fix that I knew wasn't guaranteed to work for everyone, but it eventually worked for me. I'm honestly not sure where I would be if that didn't work--there are some real horror stories on those forums about owners dealing with VW for a buyback (buyback is generally preferred to invoking Lemon Law, especially for the manufacturers, because they can essentially re-sell those cars without flags). But our population of stallers isn't all owners, probably a significant, but smallish number of owners. The feds are involved, however, which is why I think VW is more aggressive at pushing buybacks on some of these reports...they also now have incentive to figure out and fix the problem, so this gives them problem cars to tinker with.

Anyway, yeah, many of those things.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Yep, looking at all the people with Subaru's that were losing head gaskets, then later on losing oil, then early CVT issues, and yet people (including us) still buy Subaru's. There's lots of forum conversation about buying old used Subaru's and just "preparing themselves" for the inevitable head gasket failure. There's people talking about how to get their shortblock replacement comped after burning more than a quart of oil a month. Jury's out on people affected by CVT failures, but knock on wood, ours hasn't shown any issues yet.

And yet Subaru owners overwhelmingly buy more Subarus. Car purchases are a very emotional thing. Most of us will only have the opportunity to own single digits in our life, and they want something they'll enjoy considering it tends to eat such a substantial amount of their finances. It's not efficient or rational, but most passions aren't.

 

[zinfamous]

Yep, looking at all the people with Subaru's that were losing head gaskets, then later on losing oil, then early CVT issues, and yet people (including us) still buy Subaru's. There's lots of forum conversation about buying old used Subaru's and just "preparing themselves" for the inevitable head gasket failure. There's people talking about how to get their shortblock replacement comped after burning more than a quart of oil a month. Jury's out on people affected by CVT failures, but knock on wood, ours hasn't shown any issues yet.

And yet Subaru owners overwhelmingly buy more Subarus. Car purchases are a very emotional thing. Most of us will only have the opportunity to own single digits in our life, and they want something they'll enjoy considering it tends to eat such a substantial amount of their finances. It's not efficient or rational, but most passions aren't.

They are all cults. On the Mk7 forum I mentioned earlier (which is probably GTI predominantly), Subbies and Subby owners are objects of derision.

It's just how it goes. I don't really get into that stuff either way, (I've owned mostly Japanese cars in my life, so I am always fond of them), but I do get it.

 

[ponyo]

Tesla Cybertruck will be revealed November 21 in LA! Date and location basically mirrors the timeline of the movie Bladerunner. Musk has said the truck is crazy looking like something straight out of a sci-fi movie so I'm preparing myself to see something very unorthodox.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1192117194756243457

 

[Kaido]

Tesla Cybertruck will be revealed November 21 in LA! Date and location basically mirrors the timeline of the movie Bladerunner. Musk has said the truck is crazy looking like something straight out of a sci-fi movie so I'm preparing myself to see something very unorthodox.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1192117194756243457

I think one of three things is going to happen:

1. They'll come out with a great truck design, and consumers will love it
2. The truck will be ugly, but great for business (power 240V tools, 300k-lb towing capacity, etc.)
3. It will be a combination of aesthetics & functionality & sell mad quantities

I think Rivian has a really great truck design...Tesla did a good job on the Model S facelift & on the Model 3 in general, so hopefully the truck looks awesome & not super-weird, haha!

 

[thedarkwolf]

Please stop with the 300k lb towing crap lol. No it isn't going to be able to tow around 4 times more than the Tesla Semi.

 

[ponyo]

I think one of three things is going to happen:

1. They'll come out with a great truck design, and consumers will love it
2. The truck will be ugly, but great for business (power 240V tools, 300k-lb towing capacity, etc.)
3. It will be a combination of aesthetics & functionality & sell mad quantities

I think Rivian has a really great truck design...Tesla did a good job on the Model S facelift & on the Model 3 in general, so hopefully the truck looks awesome & not super-weird, haha!

One thing I do not want is Rivian type truck design. Rivian truck has short 4ft bed which is worthless in work truck. My Toyota Tundra truck has 6ft truck bed and that's about the shortest I want in a truck. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Tesla truck looking crazy and unlike regular truck. I want the "Wow" factor and people to stare when they see Tesla truck driving down the road. I think the bold design approach is the right path with the Tesla truck and I can't wait to see it.

 

[Kaido]

Please stop with the 300k lb towing crap lol. No it isn't going to be able to tow around 4 times more than the Tesla Semi.

 

[Kaido]

One thing I do not want is Rivian type truck design. Rivian truck has short 4ft bed which is worthless in work truck. My Toyota Tundra truck has 6ft truck bed and that's about the shortest I want in a truck. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Tesla truck looking crazy and unlike regular truck. I want the "Wow" factor and people to stare when they see Tesla truck driving down the road. I think the bold design approach is the right path with the Tesla truck and I can't wait to see it.

Yeah, on my last vehicle purchase, I had it down to the Mustang & the Honda Ridgeline (gen2). The Ridgeline is really a slightly truckier El Camino...unibody, AWD, ~5.3-ft truck bed, etc. Basically a Home Depot pickup truck, haha. It made a lot more sense to go with that vehicle, especially with how much it snows here, but I figured I should have one fun car before I die, and I wanted to lock in a stick-shift transmission, as they've been phasing them out more & more.

Likewise, I think the Rivian is an electric "people's truck", not a work truck. Curious to see what direction Musk goes. Got the date marked on my calendar!

 

[thedarkwolf]

It will be an EV 1/2 ton truck at least that would make the most sense to me. That is what 90% of truck buyers want. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a hair higher towing capacity than the f-150 just so he can brag about that. Your average truck buyer isn't going to want to ride around in a 1 ton truck.

 

[KentState]

For anyone that purchased a Tesla, what is the financing process like? Right now, it's 5-7 weeks for delivery of the Performance model. At some point, do they let you know the exact date, at which you apply for financing? Is that all handled digitally or over the phone and the car is just dropped off?

 

[Kaido]

It will be an EV 1/2 ton truck at least that would make the most sense to me. That is what 90% of truck buyers want. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a hair higher towing capacity than the f-150 just so he can brag about that. Your average truck buyer isn't going to want to ride around in a 1 ton truck.

I've got the date marked on my calendar...very curious to see both the design & the release date!

I plan on getting a Model Y down the road, but not until they've been in production for at least a year. Granted, their manufacturing abilities have increased (given the improvement in quality of the Model 3, with things like panel gaps, and with how fast they got their China plant up & running), but still...I'll give 'em some time to work out the bugs lol.

 

[Aikouka]

Tesla added a new regenerative braking option to the car in their latest update, and it has taken a bit of time to get used to. Essentially, it takes the standard style of regenerative braking and allows it to take the car all the way to a stop. So, while the car may have rolled a bit before, it will now just stop, which includes brakes. It took a bit to get used to it while backing out of the garage as I'm used to letting the car roll a tiny bit.

For anyone that purchased a Tesla, what is the financing process like? Right now, it's 5-7 weeks for delivery of the Performance model. At some point, do they let you know the exact date, at which you apply for financing? Is that all handled digitally or over the phone and the car is just dropped off?

Things may have changed a bit from back when I did it, but what happens is that you get financing once you get a firm date. Keep in mind that you can't even get fully approved until your bank gets an MVPO, and getting that was the hardest part for me. I think it took Tesla until the day before pick-up for me to get the MVPO, and my bank overnighted the check directly to the Tesla pick-up location.

Now, in my case, I did speak with my bank beforehand and get pre-approved for financing; however, those are usually only good for 30 days. So, you may end up having your credit run twice if you want to get pre-approved and the process takes too long. Although, going through that hassle also can help you find the best offer.

 

[bigi]

For anyone that purchased a Tesla, what is the financing process like? Right now, it's 5-7 weeks for delivery of the Performance model. At some point, do they let you know the exact date, at which you apply for financing? Is that all handled digitally or over the phone and the car is just dropped off?

In regards to Tesla Model 3, you might get better info here:

Model 3: Ordering, Production, Delivery

package pricing, financing, leasing, production and delivery schedule, reservation maps

teslamotorsclub.com

Hope this helps.

 

[ponyo]

Tesla’s Model 3 Success Hits BMW the Hardest

I've said before that BMW is the one that will be most affected by Tesla and the Model 3 and Bloomberg Tesla owner survey is telling the same story. Given the clueless attitudes of the BMW top management towards EV revolution, I do not expect BMW to survive the transition. I expect BMW to be bankrupt or sold to maybe Chinese company for the name in the next 20 years.

 

[ponyo]

The next Gigafactory will be in Germany. No official announcement yet but job posting at Tesla pretty much confirm Gigafactory 4 will be in Germany.

https://www.tesla.com/careers/search#/?keyword=Germany&region=3&country=3&city=-1

EDIT: Elon officially announced Gigafactory 4 will be in Germany near the new Berlin airport.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/12/tes...es-gigafactory-design-center-near-berlin.html

 

[Kaido]

Rain then super-cold today. Buddy went out to his 3:

1. Door handle wouldn't pop open. Had to chip those out.
2. Windows wouldn't roll down (frameless, so they have to roll down a bit to let you open the door). Had to chip those out.
3. Side-view mirrors were frozen shut & wouldn't extend out. Had to chip those out.

With most cars, you might have to chip away a bit at the windows to get them to pop, but with the roll-down requirement, it's more work. I thought it was hilarious he couldn't get his door handles to budge

 

[heymrdj]

Rain then super-cold today. Buddy went out to his 3:

1. Door handle wouldn't pop open. Had to chip those out.
2. Windows wouldn't roll down (frameless, so they have to roll down a bit to let you open the door). Had to chip those out.
3. Side-view mirrors were frozen shut & wouldn't extend out. Had to chip those out.

With most cars, you might have to chip away a bit at the windows to get them to pop, but with the roll-down requirement, it's more work. I thought it was hilarious he couldn't get his door handles to budge

Had this issue with keyless entry in my 2017 Malibu. The push button would get froze solid. My 2012 Dodge Dart would freeze the electric open gas door shut. Problem with the dart was no other manual means of operation to get into that thing. These sleek cars with no exposed handles are really garage queens, they don’t do well with parking lot time in winter.

 

[Kaido]

Had this issue with keyless entry in my 2017 Malibu. The push button would get froze solid. My 2012 Dodge Dart would freeze the electric open gas door shut. Problem with the dart was no other manual means of operation to get into that thing. These sleek cars with no exposed handles are really garage queens, they don’t do well with parking lot time in winter.

My Mustang has frameless windows, so I keep some ice-melt spray in my work bag. I have an assigned outdoor parking space at home, so I'm kinda stuck outdoors

 

[heymrdj]

My Mustang has frameless windows, so I keep some ice-melt spray in my work bag. I have an assigned outdoor parking space at home, so I'm kinda stuck outdoors

I know what you mean, I only got a garage this year that can hold my 2019 Terrain Denali and 2019 Canyon Denali. First snow and it’s been nice to not have to scrape. My wife told me the Terrain’s push buttons did work yesterday during the snow, but it wasn’t really long enough between ester becoming ice to get that full sheeting affect to tell it it’ll be problematic. My Canyon at least is old fashioned for the doors, though the tail gate handle was a bit stuck.