$35,000 Tesla Model III Is Coming In 2017

[Kaido]

Went for a spin in my buddy's 3 with the 10.x update...waaaaay smoother, much more refined! Still hasn't figured out potholes, but highway turns are a lot smoother, stop & go is way smoother, and it errs to the opposite side when a semi-truck is next to you just a little bit, which is a sigh of relief!

Also, Carpool Karaoke is a DOPE feature! We rocked out the whole road trip hahaha

 

[Kaido]

Dang man

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10221275983794800

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Yeah, with the longer charge times compared to sitting at a gas station, plus inherent power limitations, one of the biggest hurdles for EVs to overcome will be the need for much larger "fueling" stations to accommodate the longer wait times. Your average gas station with 8 stalls will not be even close to enough in an EV future if decent charging will take 20 minutes.

Of course, home charging, and destination charging will help offset those things, but a significant amount of the population will not be getting access to home charging anytime in the near future, and there will need to be something in place to manage the costs of people using destination charging (big business has the resources and space to stick some EV Chargers in place, but how does a small business compete with putting an EV Charger on public sidewalk where there may already be parking meters and other city code limitations).

We need public infrastructure to really help here in getting destination charging up in a way that doesn't hurt small business, and provides more EV charging access in denser urban areas.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yeah, with the longer charge times compared to sitting at a gas station, plus inherent power limitations, one of the biggest hurdles for EVs to overcome will be the need for much larger "fueling" stations to accommodate the longer wait times. Your average gas station with 8 stalls will not be even close to enough in an EV future if decent charging will take 20 minutes.

Of course, home charging, and destination charging will help offset those things, but a significant amount of the population will not be getting access to home charging anytime in the near future, and there will need to be something in place to manage the costs of people using destination charging (big business has the resources and space to stick some EV Chargers in place, but how does a small business compete with putting an EV Charger on public sidewalk where there may already be parking meters and other city code limitations).

We need public infrastructure to really help here in getting destination charging up in a way that doesn't hurt small business, and provides more EV charging access in denser urban areas.

Ideally, we would see more charging built into places like rest stops, shopping centers, and maybe other places where people tend to spend 20+ minutes. I think a gas station type model for EV charging is a generally bad idea.

 

[K1052]

Teslas overwhelm the Kettelman supercharger on the big holiday travel days like clockwork every year. They're supposed to be upgrading it to V3 charging soonish.

 

[Viper GTS]

I made the mistake of test driving a coworkers Bolt a few weeks back. I've owned a plug-in hybrid but that was my first pure EV experience. It pretty well shook my car world. I'm over gas cars for daily drivers and maybe even for performance cars.

So to that end, I am selling my Focus RS and buying a 3 Performance. Order is in, financing setup, just waiting for a VIN and delivery date (should be fine for this year so I'll get the remainder of the tax credit).

If anyone wants a super low mile RS you know where to find me.

Viper GTS

 

[zinfamous]

I made the mistake of test driving a coworkers Bolt a few weeks back. I've owned a plug-in hybrid but that was my first pure EV experience. It pretty well shook my car world. I'm over gas cars for daily drivers and maybe even for performance cars.

So to that end, I am selling my Focus RS and buying a 3 Performance. Order is in, financing setup, just waiting for a VIN and delivery date (should be fine for this year so I'll get the remainder of the tax credit).

If anyone wants a super low mile RS you know where to find me.

Viper GTS

damn it! where were you at the beginning of the year when I was considering a Focus RS? ><

...granted, it would still be quite a bit more than what I paid for the VW GTI.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I made the mistake of test driving a coworkers Bolt a few weeks back. I've owned a plug-in hybrid but that was my first pure EV experience. It pretty well shook my car world. I'm over gas cars for daily drivers and maybe even for performance cars.

So to that end, I am selling my Focus RS and buying a 3 Performance. Order is in, financing setup, just waiting for a VIN and delivery date (should be fine for this year so I'll get the remainder of the tax credit).

If anyone wants a super low mile RS you know where to find me.

Viper GTS

Don't have as much to spend, but bought my LR AWD +Interior Model 3 in October. Waited forever for it to be built and now delivery is scheduled for the 17th. In this close-out time, you get next to no choice in your delivery date. When I took my wife to the workshop so she could get used to a Tesla, they said their location plans to be delivering 5-6 Teslas per hour, every open hour, through the end of the year. You're basically assigned 15 minutes to get your cards, sign your papers, and GTFO.

 

[Viper GTS]

Don't have as much to spend, but bought my LR AWD +Interior Model 3 in October. Waited forever for it to be built and now delivery is scheduled for the 17th. In this close-out time, you get next to no choice in your delivery date. When I took my wife to the workshop so she could get used to a Tesla, they said their location plans to be delivering 5-6 Teslas per hour, every open hour, through the end of the year. You're basically assigned 15 minutes to get your cards, sign your papers, and GTFO.

Well that could be problematic. I saw the one week thing and I think that is workable aside from a 3 day or so period but if they're that limited I might be screwed on the credit given I have a trip scheduled for a decent swath of December.

I ordered almost two weeks ago and they were still comfortably promising delivery in 2019. Last I checked they were saying orders through Dec 8th were likely to make 2019 but not guaranteed.

Viper GTS

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Well that could be problematic. I saw the one week thing and I think that is workable aside from a 3 day or so period but if they're that limited I might be screwed on the credit given I have a trip scheduled for a decent swath of December.

I ordered almost two weeks ago and they were still comfortably promising delivery in 2019. Last I checked they were saying orders through Dec 8th were likely to make 2019 but not guaranteed.

Viper GTS

From what I was told by the Sales Advisor, the white / black interiors were some of the last cars to be built in this last big quarter push, as most people don't opt for the Interior upgrade, so my experience likely isn't the same as many others. At the work shop, several had ordered mid-November and had already received their VINs. When I ordered, wait times were 6-10 weeks, and as you said Tesla is still committing to Model 3 orders made up to 12/08 as deliverable by the end of the year.

But you will get barely any choice in Delivery Time. Expect to be given a roughly 3 day selection "window", and as I understand it weekends are long gone. You can pick in various 30 minute increments from time slots that haven't filled up at your Tesla location. It'll come down to how busy your particular Tesla locations. SoCal, Chicago, New York, Atlanta regions are obviously pretty big on Tesla as regional access, so they're going to have much deeper queues. If you don't select a time from their provided windows within 1 day of receiving notice, they choose a time for you and tell you to be there.

I was told that any missing or forfeiture of your scheduled pick-up date will pretty much guarantee to push you out of December for our area, so hopefully the dates that will be made available to you will work in your favor!

 

[Ichinisan]

Dang man

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10221275983794800

Why can't they just go to a J1772 charger and use the adapter that came with the Tesla? Get the PlugShare and ChargePoint apps. Sure, "super-charging" at a Tesla station is way faster, but waiting in a ridiculously long line isn't getting you charged at all.

There are lots of Teslas in my town, but I almost never see them use the free J1772 chargers around here. I have seen Chevy Volts, Chevy Bolts, BMW i3s, Nissan Leafs, plug-in Toyota Priuses, ...and some Teslas too -- but I rarely see a Tesla using a non-Tesla charging station. Anyway, I usually find that both chargers on the peds in my town are almost always available. I've still never found both/all of them occupied.

 

[JEDI]

Tesla police vehicle ran out of power during a car chase

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tesla-police-vehicle-ran-power-car-chase-california/story?id=65878312&fbclid=IwAR2RSu5CqEcEOy-0KBrgfl2kq0xfzIRP_XF3ZSI_ZP7T4E-NtdrCUzImKmI

 

[bigi]

^
" the Tesla had just been returned from the department's corporation yard for a flat tire fix and hadn't been charged by the time it was taken out for patrol by Hartman "

So, what's new? you don't juice up and run out of juice? Wow.

 

[Kaido]

Trooper rear ended by self-driving Tesla:

State Trooper cruiser rear-ended by Tesla on ‘autopilot’

Troopers were stopped on the side of the highway Saturday morning responding to a disabled vehicle when their car was hit by Tesla driving in autopilot.

www.wtnh.com

Guy said he was checking on his dog in the backseat while his car was on Autopilot. This precisely illustrates what I think the current danger of partial FSD is: the "lull of complacency". We are creates of habit, and habit enables us to trust things more than we should, which is the case in the majority of Autopilot accidents...people are texting or eating or goofing off & get into an otherwise avoidable accident because they weren't paying attention, because they trusted their system too much, despite warnings in the software. The warnings don't do enough to overcome human behavior in practice, although they do skate by legally. Tesla is in a tricky position because:

1. They need that Autopilot feature to help sell cars
2. They need that Autopilot feature to develop their neural network to get the software better for hands-free FSD on all roads
3. They could activate the internal camera on the Model 3 for gaze tracking, but that would probably reduce the number of cars sold because people don't want a nanny
4. The Lull of Complacency is real & kills people

tbh, this is one of the reasons I haven't purchased a Tesla yet...I know that I would be alert & vigilant, because I'm a computer guy & I'm aware of the system's limitations, but (1) I would probably fall into that trap eventually, because I'm human & we become complacent over time to the systems we operate within, and (2) I don't want to expose my family to that trap & risk injury or death as a result of a partially-working FSD system that they would end up relying on simply because it's available at all times.

 

[Viper GTS]

Trooper rear ended by self-driving Tesla:

State Trooper cruiser rear-ended by Tesla on ‘autopilot’

Troopers were stopped on the side of the highway Saturday morning responding to a disabled vehicle when their car was hit by Tesla driving in autopilot.

www.wtnh.com

Guy said he was checking on his dog in the backseat while his car was on Autopilot. This precisely illustrates what I think the current danger of partial FSD is: the "lull of complacency". We are creates of habit, and habit enables us to trust things more than we should, which is the case in the majority of Autopilot accidents...people are texting or eating or goofing off & get into an otherwise avoidable accident because they weren't paying attention, because they trusted their system too much, despite warnings in the software. The warnings don't do enough to overcome human behavior in practice, although they do skate by legally. Tesla is in a tricky position because:

1. They need that Autopilot feature to help sell cars
2. They need that Autopilot feature to develop their neural network to get the software better for hands-free FSD on all roads
3. They could activate the internal camera on the Model 3 for gaze tracking, but that would probably reduce the number of cars sold because people don't want a nanny
4. The Lull of Complacency is real & kills people

tbh, this is one of the reasons I haven't purchased a Tesla yet...I know that I would be alert & vigilant, because I'm a computer guy & I'm aware of the system's limitations, but (1) I would probably fall into that trap eventually, because I'm human & we become complacent over time to the systems we operate within, and (2) I don't want to expose my family to that trap & risk injury or death as a result of a partially-working FSD system that they would end up relying on simply because it's available at all times.

So at the risk of the obvious - You don't have to use it. I tend to share the opinion that this stuff is not nearly as capable as some people think it is, but it has its moments of brilliance.

I would also point out that if you can't handle it being there the Standard Range model has all the crash avoidance wizardry without the temptation.

Viper GTS

 

[ponyo]

Porsche Taycan Turbo official EPA range is out now. 201 miles total range! Just like I suspected after the premiere and Porsche of North America tried not to disclose it. But Porsche of China website had it listed and they turned out correct!

 

[thecoolnessrune]

200 Mile Range, even on a performance car, at that price point is kind of sad. If it winds up getting stomped on by a Performance Model 3 it's going to be embarrassing. I get that the Porsche brand name will carry some clout, but I couldn't imagine spending that much more on an all-around inferior vehicle. I suppose we just wait for the reviews. I'm sure it will be positioned as a premium driver's car for people who are more concerned with canyon carving than an effective commuter.

 

[Viper GTS]

Matt Farah drove one on his typical test run. IIRC he said he burned 47% of the total battery in 17 miles of spirited driving.

Viper GTS

 

[Kaido]

200 Mile Range, even on a performance car, at that price point is kind of sad. If it winds up getting stomped on by a Performance Model 3 it's going to be embarrassing. I get that the Porsche brand name will carry some clout, but I couldn't imagine spending that much more on an all-around inferior vehicle. I suppose we just wait for the reviews. I'm sure it will be positioned as a premium driver's car for people who are more concerned with canyon carving than an effective commuter.

I don't think I'd be comfortable with less than 300. Really, I want 500, which is why I'm waiting for the Cybertruck haha.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Matt Farah drove one on his typical test run. IIRC he said he burned 47% of the total battery in 17 miles of spirited driving.

Viper GTS

Yeesh, not going to get a whole lot of canyon carving done in that amount of time. 30m to empty? That's pretty shocking (no pun intended).

 

[ponyo]

Based on Taycan Turbo 201 miles total range, we can assume Taycan Turbo S will have EPA range of around 194 total miles. And this is at 100% fully charged. At 80%, Taycan Turbo S will have around 155 miles range. This is on $184,000 car with zero options. Once you add options, Turbo S will easily top $200,000. At $200k, why not just get Tesla Roadster with its 620 miles total range?

Porsche plans to produce 20,000 Taycan for 2020. They claim to have 30,000 orders already with $2,500 deposit. 10,000 of those 30,000 orders are fully committed nonrefundable orders. So Porsche is sold out of Taycan for 2020.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Once you add options, Turbo S will easily top $200,000. At $200k, why not just get Tesla Roadster with its 620 miles total range?

Because they want a Porsche not a Tesla. $200k on car is getting close to FU money but $200k on a weekend driver 2nd or 3rd car is definitely FU money. They want name and looks.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

While I'm not a fan of the overall range at all, I'll add that any sort of "spirited driving" will suck down energy regardless of the source. Your average Corvette will only manage 3-5 MPG hammering on the throttle. I'm not surprised at all that the Porsche electrics are only looking at half an hour of spirited driving before running low on power. The Corvette is blessed with a comparatively huge fuel source (over 18 gallon tank) but we already know the fundamental disadvantage electrics have with energy density.

 

[ponyo]

Because they want a Porsche not a Tesla. $200k on car is getting close to FU money but $200k on a weekend driver 2nd or 3rd car is definitely FU money. They want name and looks.

No doubt. Porsche badge sells. It's aspirational brand for Boomers. Just like Tesla is aspirational brand for Millennials.

But under total 200 miles of EPA range is bad however Porsche is trying to spin it. Although people won't mention it, Porsche claimed Mission E (Taycan) would have estimated 300 miles of EPA range when it was first announced. 200 miles is not even close. People hold Tesla to crazy high accountability and standards. I want the mainstream media to have the same standards they apply to Tesla applied toward Porsche and other legacy automakers . But I don't see Taycan dismal EPA rating on the front page of Bloomberg, CNBC, and all other trash financial sites. No mention on Ars Technica and other websites which would've jumped at the chance to bash had it been Tesla.

 

[ponyo]

Tesla increased the price of new Model 3 Standard Range Plus and Dual Motor AWD Long Range by another $500. No price increase for AWD Performance.

Standard Range Plus is now $39,990. Dual Motor AWD Long Range is now $48,990.