3 boys sexually assault girl, get 30 days.

[zinfamous]

Do you really not see a difference between rape and taking off a girls pants and writing lewd words on her?

hey, stop deflecting and go back to your original attempt to victimize the boys by claiming she should have woken up while being sexually assaulted.

 

[nehalem256]

Moar blame the victim.

You know like how we teach young children not to get into the van of the creepy guy offering them candy. Or is that supporting pedophile culture now?

Love how you left off the last 2 sentences. For anything other than rape we have no issue with telling people to do common sense things to protect themselves. But for some reason whenever some one drops the r-word people lose the ability to think critically.

Or even better, we teach boys AND girls to make good choices. You know, like how assaulting people = bad.

Seems like it would be a good idea to teach everyone to make good choices.

Or maybe she was asking for it because she was passed out.

Or maybe some drunk 16 year old boys thought it would be funny to takes pictures of a drunk girl with their finger in her?

Going by the fact that they also wrote lewd words on her it seems more like a "prank" gone too far than a rape.

 

[nehalem256]

hey, stop deflecting and go back to your original attempt to victimize the boys by claiming she should have woken up while being sexually assaulted.

Actually I was attacking the bias reporting of the article that tried to make a girl getting so drunk she passed out seem like she had a couple sips of beer and took a nap.

 

[zinfamous]

Well or you could raise your 15 year old daughter to not get so drunk that she passes out so that people can easily embarrass her?

Isn't funny that if you tell children not to get into a van with the creepy guy offering you candy that no one accuses you of supporting pedophile culture?

I'm sure the woman that bit off your penis at a young age had a good reason to do it.

 

[nehalem256]

I'm not sure what you're referring to, please explain.

The fact you were unable to distinguish between taking naked photos and sexual intercourse with a passed out girl.

 

[nehalem256]

Maybe you've missed all the PSA's warning girls about being date raped and how to avoid it?

Kindly show me the PSA telling girls not to get so wasted they pass out to reduce their risk of being raped.

I don't think one exists. But I bet I can find a bunch of articles saying that such PSA would be supporting rape culture.

 

[MrPickins]

Actually I was attacking the bias reporting of the article that tried to make a girl getting so drunk she passed out seem like she had a couple sips of beer and took a nap.

Do you expect the article to use the words "Passed Out" or something?

 

[zinfamous]

The problem is the word sexual assault is meaningless. Take for instance earlier in this thread where you were fine with using it to describe taking naked photos of her.

The question is what is she a victim of?

you are one dumb fool.

 

[MrPickins]

The fact you were unable to distinguish between taking naked photos and sexual intercourse with a passed out girl.

Wat?

The girl was raped, you jackass. I went out on a limb and made the assumption, and was vindicated.

You're the one who assumed (and continues to assume) that this was just some fun and games.

Or maybe some drunk 16 year old boys thought it would be funny to takes pictures of a drunk girl with their finger in her?

Going by the fact that they also wrote lewd words on her it seems more like a "prank" gone too far than a rape.

Holy fuck, kill yourself now.

 

[nehalem256]

Do you expect the article to use the words "Passed Out" or something?

That would seem to be how most people would describe the situation.

Of course saying "the girl was passed out from drinking" to much sets an entirely different tone from "the girl had a little to drink and then went to sleep".

you are one dumb fool.

Because I want more information in order to determine how severe the crime was against her?

 

[zinfamous]

Because I want more information in order to determine how severe the crime was against her?

You've already read about the penetration, and then your interpretation of that is to further downplay the boys' culpability: "Hey, maybe they just wanted some photos of their fingers in her." "It's a prank gone too far--not 'rape'" :\

your words

what the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[nehalem256]

Wat?

The girl was raped, you jackass. I went out on a limb and made the assumption, and was vindicated.

You're the one who assumed (and continues to assume) that this was just some fun and games.

Holy fuck, kill yourself now.

Why else do you think they wrote lewd words on her?

It seems to me accurately understanding what transpired is the first step to prevent future occurrences.

Could there be something in the way our culture sees sex that makes teens think it is acceptable to act that way, especially when their thinking may not be so great due to alcohol consumption?

 

[nehalem256]

You've already read about the penetration, and then your interpretation of that is to further downplay the boys' culpability: "Hey, maybe they just wanted some photos of their fingers in her." "It's a prank gone too far--not 'rape'" :\

That may very well have been their view on the situation at the time. It certainly makes more sense to think maybe they thought it would be funny to take pictures of the finger in the girls vagina, as say a more extreme version of a picking her nose photo than that they thought it would be a good idea to take photos of their "rape".

Is there perhaps something about how our culture views sex that would make them see less difference between sticking their finger in her nose and vagina than maybe they should?

 

[MrPickins]

Why else do you think they wrote lewd words on her?

It seems to me accurately understanding what transpired is the first step to prevent future occurrences.

You sure as hell don't prevent future occurrences by downplaying the culpability of the rapists involved. I can tell you that much.

Could there be something in the way our culture sees sex that makes teens think it is acceptable to act that way, especially when their thinking may not be so great due to alcohol consumption?

It's called being a sick, heartless individual as these boys have proved themselves to be.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sure didn't take this thread long to go the same direction as the others...

 

[dmcowen674]

Just ignore the Troll.

He is the same as that corruptible nut.

Just put him on ignore people.

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[nehalem256]

You sure as hell don't prevent future occurrences by downplaying the culpability of the rapists involved. I can tell you that much.

Ah, so we are the back to the "tell rapists not to rape" method preventing rape.

How has that been working out?

It's called being a sick, heartless individual as these boys have proved themselves to be.

People will act in a manner consistent with learned morals.

If we live in a culture where there would be zero issue with the girl pulling a train with every boy there why is it a surprise that perhaps sticking their finger in her when she is passed out doesn't register as being much different than picking her nose?

 

[MagickMan]

Asking a conservative to not take the side of rapists is like asking a conservative to stop being racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and illogical etc. Not going to happen.

Also, i see my nehalem sig is as relevant as ever.

Is there a conservative who ISN'T a repulsive piece of shit? Geez.

Nehalem, you need to run for office as a republican, you'd fit in with the rest of these idiots:

http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/

You're purposely ignoring the posters from the Right who are defending the girl, aren't you? Of course you are. See, that's what makes you as bad as the rapist defenders, because you'll do and use anything to further your political agenda, you trolling shit sack. :\

 

[Vic]

Well lets see

(1) If you make bad choices, bad things are more likely to happen to you. Maybe we should teach teenage girls to make good choices. You know like how we teach young children not to get into the van of the creepy guy offering them candy. Or is that supporting pedophile culture now?

(2) Why is there an inability to distinguish between rape and lesser forms of inappropriate sexual behavior?

(3) Why does the media write articles that distort what actually happened. Making what in truth is probably a girl getting so wasted she passes out seem like she had a few sips of beer and then took a nap.

1) No amount of bad choices justifies and/or excuses the criminal misbehavior of others.

2) Because you didn't read the article first before opening your piehole.

3) Because you have no morals.

 

[Geosurface]

Nobody in this thread is defending rapists. The dynamic involved in this thread is EXACTLY the same as if a couple guys held up a liquor store and those of us who acknowledged that's what they'd done and that them getting 5 years in prison was maybe on the light end but not totally insane, were then called horrible, heartless bastards for denying that they'd robbed an orphanage and shot all the nuns and kids dead in the process, and that we were pieces of shit for not agreeing they should get the death penalty.

We are asking people to control their emotions, look at what actually happened, and keep that in mind plus disregard the suicide, when forming an opinion about their punishment. As well as consider where our society is at and what might be contributing to this kind of stuff going down so often.

In 1950 you would find a culture which was very clear on the fact that teenagers shouldn't be having mixed gender, unsupervised parties with alcohol, drugs, and sex. Nowadays, we may still have laws against those things, but our culture has lost its moral clarity and authority and that has an impact.

We also have this odd schizophrenic attitude about females now. We say that they should be treated exactly like men, but we still view them as damsels with no personal agency or accountability. Nobody here would have a moment's hesitation declaring a boy who got blackout drunk and then had pictures of his wang being messed with as his friends drew dicks and vulgarities on him, to be a dumbass who should make better choices and also they'd probably view him more as the victim of a gross prank than a sexual assault.

I totally agree 30 days is way too low. I totally agree what they did is awful, and her killing herself is horribly tragic.

But adults need to be able to discuss sensitive subjects without it turning into a contest of who can be the most outraged and who can turn their thought process over to emotions the most thoroughly.

 

[nehalem256]

1) No amount of bad choices justifies and/or excuses the criminal misbehavior of others.

2) Because you didn't read the article first before opening your piehole.

3) Because you have no morals.

(1) Does that make you any less raped? Why don't we leave out doors unlocked at night and instead leave a sign on the door telling robbers not to rob?

(2) Sure I did. And reading or not reading in no way invalidates my point of people being unable to differentiate between taking nude photos and rape.

(3) I didn't realize my lack of morals controlled the media

 

[highland145]

I think this is an entirely unfair statement. Most conservatives, even on the Internet, are reasonable people who serve a valid purpose in society by cautioning against too rapid a rate of change or progress.
There are, unfortunately, extremists on both sides.
Which is why I think it would nice if some more of the moderate conservatives here would denounce this Gary Ridgway in their midst.

Why? Phokus' brush already has the entire right painted and it looks like nothing will change that. He's either a troll or too deep into the cool-aid. And you already think most conservatives are reasonable so why bother?

nehalem in not in my midst.

 

[nehalem256]

We also have this odd schizophrenic attitude about females now. We say that they should be treated exactly like men, but we still view them as damsels with no personal agency or accountability. Nobody here would have a moment's hesitation declaring a boy who got blackout drunk and then had pictures of his wang being messed with as his friends drew dicks and vulgarities on him, to be a dumbass who should make better choices and also they'd probably view him more as the victim of a gross prank than a sexual assault.

I also have to wonder if calling every not 100% pleasant sexual thing that occurs to a woman rape actually leads to emotional damage to women.

Imagine a 15 year old boy gets blackout drunk and his wang fondled while his friends take pictures. Do you think he will be more or less affected emotionally if he thinks of it as a gross prank or rape?

 

[MrPickins]

Nobody in this thread is defending rapists. The dynamic involved in this thread is EXACTLY the same as if a couple guys held up a liquor store and those of us who acknowledged that's what they'd done and that them getting 5 years in prison was maybe on the light end but not totally insane, were then called horrible, heartless bastards for denying that they'd robbed an orphanage and shot all the nuns and kids dead in the process, and that we were pieces of shit for not agreeing they should get the death penalty.

We are asking people to control their emotions, look at what actually happened, and keep that in mind plus disregard the suicide, when forming an opinion about their punishment. As well as consider where our society is at and what might be contributing to this kind of stuff going down so often.

In 1950 you would find a culture which was very clear on the fact that teenagers shouldn't be having mixed gender, unsupervised parties with alcohol, drugs, and sex. Nowadays, we may still have laws against those things, but our culture has lost its moral clarity and authority and that has an impact.

We also have this odd schizophrenic attitude about females now. We say that they should be treated exactly like men, but we still view them as damsels with no personal agency or accountability. Nobody here would have a moment's hesitation declaring a boy who got blackout drunk and then had pictures of his wang being messed with as his friends drew dicks and vulgarities on him, to be a dumbass who should make better choices and also they'd probably view him more as the victim of a gross prank than a sexual assault.

I totally agree 30 days is way too low. I totally agree what they did is awful, and her killing herself is horribly tragic.

But adults need to be able to discuss sensitive subjects without it turning into a contest of who can be the most outraged and who can turn their thought process over to emotions the most thoroughly.

I tend to get outraged when posters say things like this:

Have to love the distorted reporting

Who wouldn't wake up while 3 boys sexually assaulted you?

Stop defending Nehalem, you really don't want to group yourself with him.

 

[MrPickins]

Imagine a 15 year old boy gets blackout drunk and his wang fondled while his friends take pictures. Do you think he will be more or less affected emotionally if he thinks of it as a gross prank or rape?

Imagine 15 year old you passed out and being fondled by a group of gay men. Gross prank or rape?

How about if they shove a broom handle up your ass? Still a prank?

Emailed pictures of it to your peers? Still a prank?