Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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APU_Fusion

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Clearly Russia isn’t sending us its best. Comrade Putin needs you to soak up bullets on front line. Stop being a coward and do something useful for the motherland.
What does any of this have to do with President Biden. Looks at Trump kids and laughs.
 
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eelw

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What does any of this have to do with President Biden. Looks at Trump kids and laughs.
Indeed. If Biden was in a criminal trial, his entire family would be there to support him. Instead it’s a bunch of butt kissing congress critters
 
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akugami

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I'm not a big fan of ignores, but on ignore goes @Shervan360. Clearly trolling with zero attempt at a coherent thought. At least some of the other conservatives have some attempt at a logical thought.
 
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fskimospy

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I'm not a big fan of ignores, but on ignore goes @Shervan360. Clearly trolling with zero attempt at a coherent thought. At least some of the other conservatives have some attempt at a logical thought.
Yeah I almost never report posts on here but this is just spamming the board with random pictures that have no bearing on anything being discussed.
 
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Stokely

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I'm not a big fan of ignores, but on ignore goes @Shervan360. Clearly trolling with zero attempt at a coherent thought. At least some of the other conservatives have some attempt at a logical thought.

Ignores are better than trolls that won't discuss things honestly. That particular one spams its agenda on every thread regardless of subject. The only thing better than not seeing that garbage is if more people would do it, and/or stop replying to them.

Hell I use ignores in real life too :) I live in FL, I wouldn't want to spend my day engaging with idiots. What would be the point? Not like I'm going to change any minds, and I get no prize for "winning". I remember shooting down the anti-climate change rhetoric of a religious relative with actual pesky facts and science, and their last comeback was "well it doesn't matter anyway, End Times are coming." Might as well debate on whether the Dark Lord Sauron prefers the subway or uber when He visits NYC at that fucking point.
 
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ivwshane

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The problem with “ignore” and the trolls probably understand this, is that just because you can’t see their posts doesn’t mean no one else can either. It’s the people who happen to be “passing by” that I’m concerned with and who I don’t want to be micro-persuaded into bellowing bs.
 

akugami

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Agree on the "drive by" viewers of these trolls being the true victims.

That said, my philosophy is, I will at least try to hear the other person out. I may disagree with their general outlook, but I try not to close myself to other viewpoints. That's why I am not big on ignores. This doesn't mean I will respond to your point, even if I think it is idiotic. But that Shervan360 was clearly just trolling. There was no attempt at a coherent thought there. And that irks me to no end.
 
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K1052

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Trump campaign outreach to Arab community unhappy with Biden over Gaza is fucking wild:

“He repeated Jared Kushner’s statement about beachfront property, which I think floated like a lead balloon in the room,” one of the meeting’s participants said of Grenell, who was Trump’s former acting director of national intelligence.

Another participant in the meeting stressed that Grenell kept saying how “brilliant” Trump was with his handling of the Abraham Accords, which were agreements Israel signed with certain Arab countries in 2020. But this person also mentioned that Kushner’s comments about turning Gaza’s waterfront property into world-class beaches fell flat.


 
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fskimospy

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Anyone who wants a better deal for the people in Gaza and thinks Trump is going to deliver it is completely fucking delusional. The Biden admin has struggled to find a balance. The Trump camp would be literally cheering on the IDF actions in Gaza.
The logic of liberals not voting for Biden based on Palestine makes zero sense. If Palestine is your most important issue then you’re simply putting someone in power who will be worse on your most important issue AND will be worse on basically every other issue you care about.

If the thought is that Trump will make things so bad that there will be a backlash that puts a truly liberal president in power how did that work out in 2000 and 2016? You got a horrible Republican president followed by a centrist Democrat. Do any Nader/Bernie voters still think that was a good trade?
 

K1052

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The logic of liberals not voting for Biden based on Palestine makes zero sense. If Palestine is your most important issue then you’re simply putting someone in power who will be worse on your most important issue AND will be worse on basically every other issue you care about.

If the thought is that Trump will make things so bad that there will be a backlash that puts a truly liberal president in power how did that work out in 2000 and 2016? You got a horrible Republican president followed by a centrist Democrat. Do any Nader/Bernie voters still think that was a good trade?

If Biden loses the party is going to move right not left. I don't know why this has not dawned on a lot of people.
 

amenx

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It should be clear to anyone that Biden in a 2nd term will have more leverage vs the Israelis than he did in his 1st term. The same wouldnt apply to Trump though since he has zero moral principles and little grasp of US best interests and would bend for the Israelis at the slightest.

The Israelis are usually wary of 2nd termers because there are no re-election pressures they could utilize against them. But Trump is in a class of his own and can be more easily manipulated and would be the clear Israeli choice for next US prez.
 

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eelw

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But chicken little is right, once a Repugican, always a Repugican. I had no delusion this protest vote would have been a mass migration of voters changing sides. But the orange monkey is losing voters not gaining any he didn’t have in 2020
 
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eelw

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Like James Comey has been open about talking about the negatives of the orange monkey. But I don’t recall him endorsing a candidate before. He said I have no idea what some have against Biden, but how anyone can not consider voting Biden is beyond him.
 
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