2022 US midterms election watch party/thread

[IronWing]

Oh what horse shit. If you are not going to repay the loan then don't sign for it.

You make it sound like the Boomers all got a free college education. Most of the kids I graduated with didn't go to college. You want to know why? They couldn't afford it and were smart enough to know they couldn't. They also had the integrity to not sign up for loan they couldn't repay. College was cheaper back then, but so was everything else. The wages weren't much either. Yeah I remember rocking with my 3,000 dollar a year job. I joined the Navy to get an education to get better pay.

College was a lot cheaper then because the taxpayers were footing more of the bill. That is plain fact.

 

[IronWing]

I don't think they did.

I already identified the issue. Unless you accept that the Supremes were being partisan hacks when they ruled in favor of Trump diverting funds for his stupid wall, then you must conclude that Presidents are free to spend as they see fit, regardless of Congressional authorization.

 

[Vic]

If you sign a contract for something you should be required to live up to the agreement. You shouldn't require others to pay for your loan.

So we're getting rid of bankruptcy and divorce laws now?

 

[pcgeek11]

College was a lot cheaper then because the taxpayers were footing more of the bill. That is plain fact.

When I was College age at 1973:

LINK: https://www.npr.org/2014/03/18/290868013/how-the-cost-of-college-went-from-affordable-to-sky-high

At the same time, Thelin says, from "1965 to 1972, colleges and universities dug very deep into their own pockets to provide grants and other forms of student financial aid in partnership with the new federal programs."

Americans flocked to campuses with the expectation that the government was going to foot part of the bill, and college did become affordable for many more Americans.

But a turning point arrived around 1970, Thelin says. With double-digit inflation, an oil embargo and a sputtering economy, a perfect storm began to build. College tuition and fees climbed as much or more than the inflation rate. Private loans, heavily subsidized by the federal government, gradually replaced federal grants as the main source of money for both poor and middle-class college students.


As family income fell, borrowing to pay for college took off, while public investment in higher education dropped. Sandy Baum of the Urban Institute says that drop has been the single biggest reason for the increase in college costs.

 

[pcgeek11]

I already identified the issue. Unless you accept that the Supremes were being partisan hacks when they ruled in favor of Trump diverting funds for his stupid wall, then you must conclude that Presidents are free to spend as they see fit, regardless of Congressional authorization.

We are not discussing Trump or his wall which is a completely different subject.

 

[pcgeek11]

So we're getting rid of bankruptcy and divorce laws now?

Bankruptcy and Divorce are legal court procedures. Where this is bypassing legal protocol.

 

[pcgeek11]

Anyway It doesn't matter what we say. The court will decide soon enough.

 

[IronWing]

We are not discussing Trump or his wall which is a completely different subject.

So which is correct, the Supremes' ruling that Presidents have the power to spend regardless of Congressional authorization or this district court judge's ruling that Presidents don't have this power? It can't be both. The Supremes claim the Constitution affords Presidents this power. Eat your vegetables.

 

[IronWing]

When I was College age at 1973:

At the same time, Thelin says, from "1965 to 1972, colleges and universities dug very deep into their own pockets to provide grants and other forms of student financial aid in partnership with the new federal programs."

Americans flocked to campuses with the expectation that the government was going to foot part of the bill, and college did become affordable for many more Americans.

But a turning point arrived around 1970, Thelin says. With double-digit inflation, an oil embargo and a sputtering economy, a perfect storm began to build. College tuition and fees climbed as much or more than the inflation rate. Private loans, heavily subsidized by the federal government, gradually replaced federal grants as the main source of money for both poor and middle-class college students.


As family income fell, borrowing to pay for college took off, while public investment in higher education dropped. Sandy Baum of the Urban Institute says that drop has been the single biggest reason for the increase in college costs.

You just affirmed my point. Thank you.

 

[pcgeek11]

So which is correct, the Supremes' ruling that Presidents have the power to spend regardless of Congressional authorization or this district court judge's ruling that Presidents don't have this power? It can't be both. The Supremes claim the Constitution affords Presidents this power. Eat your vegetables.

Do you have a link to back this claim up?

Supremes' ruling that Presidents have the power to spend regardless of Congressional authorization.

 

[pcgeek11]

You just affirmed my point. Thank you.

No I didn't.

But a turning point arrived around 1970, Thelin says. With double-digit inflation, an oil embargo and a sputtering economy, a perfect storm began to build. College tuition and fees climbed as much or more than the inflation rate. Private loans, heavily subsidized by the federal government, gradually replaced federal grants as the main source of money for both poor and middle-class college students.


As family income fell, borrowing to pay for college took off, while public investment in higher education dropped. Sandy Baum of the Urban Institute says that drop has been the single biggest reason for the increase in college costs.

 

[Vic]

Bankruptcy and Divorce are legal court procedures. Where this is bypassing legal protocol.

Like a Trumper actually cares about a President breaking the law.

Go make a thread if you care so much this issue. It's not this thread's topic so GTFOH.

 

[pcgeek11]

Discussion is not going anywhere. I'll just wait and accept what the courts say when they rule on it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Like a Trumper actually cares about a President breaking the law.

Go make a thread if you care so much this issue. It's not this thread's topic so GTFOH.

Can't handle the truth?

I was only answering your silly comparison post.

 

[IronWing]

Do you have a link to back this claim up?

Supremes' ruling that Presidents have the power to spend regardless of Congressional authorization.

That was the ruling wrt Trump diverting funds to pay for his border wall. Congress had authorized that money for other purposes and the Supremes ruled that Trump funneling that money to his pet project was a-okay. With Biden's loan forgiveness program, maybe, just maybe, you'll understand why people who believe in Constitutional government and the rule of law were so pissed off that the Supremes played Calvinball on the issue. I fully expect the Supremes to play Calvinball again and rule against the Biden administration on the loan forgiveness program as the current conservative majority on the court are shameless partisan hacks who have successfully destroyed the credibility of the institution.

 

[IronWing]

No I didn't.

But a turning point arrived around 1970, Thelin says. With double-digit inflation, an oil embargo and a sputtering economy, a perfect storm began to build. College tuition and fees climbed as much or more than the inflation rate. Private loans, heavily subsidized by the federal government, gradually replaced federal grants as the main source of money for both poor and middle-class college students.


As family income fell, borrowing to pay for college took off, while public investment in higher education dropped. Sandy Baum of the Urban Institute says that drop has been the single biggest reason for the increase in college costs.

Exactly. Public investment in higher education dropped and has continued to drop, making larger loans a requirement to getting a college education. I'm not sure which part of the material you are quoting you are failing to understand.

 

[MrSquished]

You don't know shit. LOL


What I have an issue with is Biden bypassing the House that controls the purse strings and spending to the tune of 400 Billion Dollars or more. He doesn't have the authority to do this because it is illegal as stated by the Texas Federal Court.

“The program is thus an unconstitutional exercise of Congress’s legislative power and must be vacated,” wrote Judge Mark Pittman, who was nominated by then-President Donald Trump. “In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone,” he continued.

And

A lawsuit brought by six Republican-led states is pending at the 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals. On October 21, that appeals court put an administrative hold on the program, banning the administration from canceling any debt. The appeals court then granted a preliminary injunction request from the states on November 14. The injunction will “remain in effect until further order of this court or the Supreme Court of the United States,” according to the order.

Oh bullshit. While progressive have been railing against some of the bailouts for the super rich and tax cuts for them, you have constantly voted for the team of shit people that only makes their loopholes and bailouts bigger.

Your bullshit is too easy to see through. This is why people like you are horrible. You can justify any of your hypocritical positions at any time.

 

[MrSquished]

That was the ruling wrt Trump diverting funds to pay for his border wall. Congress had authorized that money for other purposes and the Supremes ruled that Trump funneling that money to his pet project was a-okay. With Biden's loan forgiveness program, maybe, just maybe, you'll understand why people who believe in Constitutional government and the rule of law were so pissed off that the Supremes played Calvinball on the issue. I fully expect the Supremes to play Calvinball again and rule against the Biden administration on the loan forgiveness program as the current conservative majority on the court are shameless partisan hacks who have successfully destroyed the credibility of the institution.

well you are speaking to a literal shameless political hack, who has show us probably a thousand times by now what a shameless political hack he is.

 

[Vic]

Can't handle the truth?

I was only answering your silly comparison post.

No, I'm just sick of your boorish trolling. All you ever do here is derail threads with your pathetically childish attention-seeking dishonest stupidity. What a sad fucking life you must live.

 

[Vic]

Oh bullshit. While progressive have been railing against some of the bailouts for the super rich and tax cuts for them, you have constantly voted for the team of shit people that only makes their loopholes and bailouts bigger.

Your bullshit is too easy to see through. This is why people like you are horrible. You can justify any of your hypocritical positions at any time.

He cares soooo much about bailouts for the rich that he has never once derailed a thread to complain about them.

 

[Maxima1]

Oh what horse shit. If you are not going to repay the loan then don't sign for it.
You make it sound like the Boomers all got a free college education. Most of the kids I graduated with didn't go to college. You want to know why? They couldn't afford it and were smart enough to know they couldn't. They also had the integrity to not sign up for loan they couldn't repay. College was cheaper back then, but so was everything else. The wages weren't much either. Yeah I remember rocking with my 3,000 dollar a year job. I joined the Navy to get an education to get better pay.

Lol Almost word for word and could have been summed up with: FYGM

https://twitter.com/x/status/1562101302510993411

 

[BoomerD]

You ever take a tax deduction for mortgage interest? How exactly is that so different except one benefited you and the other doesn't?

Definitely not the same thing. Now if the President wants to forgive $10,000 or $20,000 on my mortgage...or on my truck loan, that would be more comparable...and I'd be fine with it.

 

[Vic]

Back to the actual thread topic (which some are clearly uncomfortable with): Trumpism, election denialism, and RINO-ism all got their freakin asses kicked last Tuesday. And the Republicans lost a midterm election that, with an unpopular Dem President in office and a weak economy, should have been an absolute landslide for them.

What went wrong?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Definitely not the same thing. Now if the President wants to forgive $10,000 or $20,000 on my mortgage...or on my truck loan, that would be more comparable...and I'd be fine with it.

How so? It's the government defraying some of your cost. basically it's the government investing in you as a citizen. It's just a matter of how.

One helps you keep a roof over your head. Generally good thing for you and society.

The other helps with the social, technogical, and cultural advancement of the country.
Also generally good for you and society.

 

[eelw]

Back to the actual thread topic (which some are clearly uncomfortable with): Trumpism, election denialism, and RINO-ism all got their freakin asses kicked last Tuesday. And the Republicans lost a midterm election that, with an unpopular Dem President in office and a weak economy, should have been an absolute landslide for them.

What went wrong?

Still glimmer of hope in humanity. America isn’t a total shithole country. Just 30%