2020 census to include citizenship question

[sandorski]

Is that not how all immigration works though? The situation in country A drives immigration into country B.

"Situation"is too varied to be put that simplistically.

 

[Micrornd]

Every one of those questions is irrelevant. Will including this survey increase or decrease the likelihood of an illegal immigrant filling it out?
Again, this is really all common sense.

Those that have filled out the survey in the past will continue to.
Many of those that haven't filled out the survey, will out of protest, political education, etc. based on all this new publicity of the question.
If anything, I see the count of illegal immigrants filling out the Census going, up not down, because of all the attention being brought to it.

 

[fskimospy]

Those that have filled out the survey in the past will continue to.
Many of those that haven't filled out the survey, will out of protest, political education, etc. based on all this new publicity of the question.
If anything, I see the count of illegal immigrants filling out the Census going, up not down, because of all the attention being brought to it.

You can’t possibly actually believe this.

 

[Jhhnn]

You can’t possibly actually believe this.

Sure he can in Trump's post-truth simulated reality.

The best part is the mealy mouthed bullshit coming from the White House about why they just gotta put that question in there, bypassing normal procedure to do it.

 

[HomerJS]

Those that have filled out the survey in the past will continue to.
Many of those that haven't filled out the survey, will out of protest, political education, etc. based on all this new publicity of the question.
If anything, I see the count of illegal immigrants filling out the Census going, up not down, because of all the attention being brought to it.

Maybe if they field tested the changes I would agree with you.

Oh, that's right they skipped that normal step so they can bum rush this through.

Try harder.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Hmmm single source numbers from Heritage?? I don't think so. In their own article they don'e even cite the time period for their "numbers".

Here are the results of 9 different investigations including the Bush administration
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...und-virtually-nothing/?utm_term=.f3b865db8b27

List of bipartisan statements on so called voter fraud
http://www.brennancenter.org/quotes-on-voter-fraud

Please go back to your bridge

You were afraid to look them up, weren't you? Even the Post story came up with substantial instances of voter fraud. Read it.

 

[HomerJS]

You were afraid to look them up, weren't you? Even the Post story came up with substantial instances of voter fraud. Read it.

I looked up your 1. Did you look up my 9? Did you also read the bi-partisan comments?

Stick to the definition of widespread voter fraud. You keep trying to clever your way out of it and you are out of ammo.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I looked up your 1. Did you look up my 9? Did you also read the bi-partisan comments?

Stick to the definition of widespread voter fraud. You keep trying to clever your way out of it and you are out of ammo.

YOU were the one that stated "widespread" not me and not the original claim by Jhhnn. YOU stick to it. All it takes is a single vote to change an election.

 

[pcgeek11]

And that's where you'd be wrong.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...tizenship-2020-immigrants-count-trump-lawsuit



I'm sure you'll man up and admit you were wrong now. /s

I'm not wrong. That is what I have already said that the majority doesn't participate anyway, regardless of the citizen question. That doesn't say we know exactly how many do or don't participate. They don't even know exactly how many illegals are here.

 

[pcgeek11]

How about history of Republicans and court cases. As a counter name one law Republicans have enacted in the last 20 years for the purposes of increasing the number of eligible people who vote.

No.

 

[pcgeek11]

Canada doesn't have anywhere near the Illegal Immigrant issue that the US does. Nor does it have a government that currently is constantly vilifying Immigrants.

So Canada don't care about an accurate count.

 

[pcgeek11]

Ya, so far it hasn't gotten out of control, but it's happening because of the current Political environment in the US.

So the US is causing Canada's problem. LOL Nice punt.

 

[Jhhnn]

YOU were the one that stated "widespread" not me and not the original claim by Jhhnn. YOU stick to it. All it takes is a single vote to change an election.

It's remarkable how you claim others said certain things w/o citation. Remarkably convenient, anyway.

It's also remarkable coming from a person whose party holds the White House by dint of an anomalous result of the Electoral College & the HOR by dint of massive gerrymandering, neither of which carry an honest majority of voters.

The census has nothing to do with voter registration, either, so you're just diverting into familiar & faulty argument.

 

[sandorski]

So Canada don't care about an accurate count.

Situation is different.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm not wrong. That is what I have already said that the majority doesn't participate anyway, regardless of the citizen question. That doesn't say we know exactly how many do or don't participate. They don't even know exactly how many illegals are here.

Again, adding a question that makes the count even less accurate doesn't make any sense.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[sandorski]

So the US is causing Canada's problem. LOL Nice punt.

Before Trump, no problem
With Trump, problem


do the math

 

[Lanyap]

The FFs, if they cared to make a distinct between citizens and persons, they would have. It explicitly says persons for enumeration. Remember, at the time of the Constitution, there would be many people not considered for full voting rights or even citizenship, like native Americans, women, free blacks, and slaves, yet they were still counted.

At the point in time when the FFs were writing the constitution and for the next hundred years they and the government encouraged immigration to populate the new country. That made sense to count by population and use it for representation. In the late 1800s the government realized that they should not be letting everyone in the country so they enacted laws to keep unwanted people out. That made sense to keep counting the population for representation because they assumed it would keep unwanted people out. Since then numerous immigration laws have been enacted to control the flow of immigrants into the US. Many of those laws have not been fully enforced in the past 30+ years allowing illegal immigrants to migrate in mass to the US. This failure is allowing IIs to be part of our governmental processes including voting which should be only allowed for citizens. IIs can still be counted for total population in the census for other purposes.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-laws-and-rules-have-changed-through-history/

Maybe we need to update the the constitution to account for this change similar to some here who say the 2nd is out of date and should be updated or repealed.

 

[fskimospy]

At the point in time when the FFs were writing the constitution and for the next hundred years they and the government encouraged immigration to populate the new country. That made sense to count by population and use it for representation. In the late 1800s the government realized that they should not be letting everyone in the country so they enacted laws to keep unwanted people out. That made sense to keep counting the population for representation because they assumed it would keep unwanted people out. Since then numerous immigration laws have been enacted to control the flow of immigrants into the US. Many of those laws have not been fully enforced in the past 30+ years allowing illegal immigrants to migrate in mass to the US. This failure is allowing IIs to be part of our governmental processes including voting which should be only allowed for citizens. IIs can still be counted for total population in the census for other purposes.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-laws-and-rules-have-changed-through-history/

Maybe we need to update the the constitution to account for this change similar to some here who say the 2nd is out of date and should be updated or repealed.

I’m not sure where you got the idea that illegal immigrants are voting but you’ve been the victim of some bad information.

 

[brandonbull]

I think the funniest part is how urban centers now rationalize their present day undocumented exploitable labor, which is a modern form of slavery

I bet they would consider it more along the lines of indentured voters. I guess you could say that they get to roam around the sanctuary city plantation protesting and voting when their masters tell them.

 

[pcgeek11]

Situation is different.

If you say so.

 

[fskimospy]

I bet they would consider it more along the lines of indentured voters. I guess you could say that they get to roam around the sanctuary city plantation protesting and voting when their masters tell them.

How are they voting? Do you know how voting works?

 

[pcgeek11]

Again, adding a question that makes the count even less accurate doesn't make any sense.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

It isn't hard. It is already a garbage count with respect to Illegal Aliens. This is just a ploy for the Democrats to bump up the numbers. Their time would be better spent beating the streets and getting the illegals to truthfully participate in the census.

 

[pcgeek11]

Before Trump, no problem
With Trump, problem


do the math

You are a country full of snowflakes and Trump bothers you.

 

[jackstar7]

It isn't hard. It is already a garbage count with respect to Illegal Aliens. This is just a ploy for the Democrats to bump up the numbers. Their time would be better spent beating the streets and getting the illegals to truthfully participate in the census.

Sometimes you really miss the point.

 

[jackstar7]

You are a country full of snowflakes and Trump bothers you.

Irony.