2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

[manimal]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2352180-film-room-takeaways-from-the-2014-2015-nfl-season

great article by matt miller. The only guy worth reading on bleacher report really though Chris Simms has gotten pretty good and his draft evaluation lats year was pretty good.

In article Miller talks about the game winning interception in superbowl and some of the trends this year like the routes GB used in the deep middle of field to great effect and how good Leveon Bell is.

Great read!


http://nflmocks.com/2015/02/05/devante-parker-louisville-wr-nfl-draft-scouting-report/
Davante Parker Draft notes. 6 3. Reminds me of Alshon with better quickness.

 

[SunnyD]

Just when you thought players like Incognito were done in the NFL, the Bills go and sign him. Welcome back to Buffalo Ritchie.

This quote for the lulz:

Ryan said he wanted to build a bully in Buffalo. Perhaps he was being more literal than we first thought.

 

[lupi]

Charges dropped against hardy.

the final sabol has died.

colts exploring nuclear option for richardson.

 

[manimal]

http://nfltraderumors.co/report-dolphins-ryan-tannehill-discussing-a-seven-year-105m-deal/

Tannehill in line for a Cutler contract. At least he has upside... I bet they put in descelators like Capernickle


Colts will be totally lucky if they can void the Trich contract.


TJ Yeldon as a colt would fix that trade pretty quick with a third rounder.



Rumor is that Greg Hardy settled Civilly with the chick and she made her self scarce. Better than the rumor that he put her in a suitcase in little pieces...


Lions worked out Taj Boyd and Colston will have to take a pay cut to stay in NO. I dont see him around next year.



Stan Drayton hired as RB coach for bears and one recruit expressed HUGE disapointment that he wont be back on campus and say he was the main reason he signed. Guy is super well respected coach who has developed quiete a few effective backfields. Bears look like they are gearing up for power running.



Jalston Fowler in the sixth round would be a great draft for bears. Hell draft the starting Alabama backfield and win tons of games.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

My understanding was that since Richardson was suspended for two games and that since the suspension carries over to week 1 of next year, the Colts can cut him with no salary cap hit. Is that not the case?

 

[manimal]

My understand was that since Richardson was suspended for two games and that since the suspension carries over to week 1 of next year, the Colts can cut him with no salary cap hit. Is that not the case?

Mike Wells had something about it in his column though there isnt a confirmation.

 

[lupi]

I'm sure the pa will fight it if they haven't started the process already. As soon as they lost their last game the actual details about them having supsended him started coming out and it was quickly talked about it being done as a reason to jettison him with minimal cost.

 

[manimal]

I'm sure the pa will fight it if they haven't started the process already. As soon as they lost their last game the actual details about them having supsended him started coming out and it was quickly talked about it being done as a reason to jettison him with minimal cost.

ya cant see them not fighting it.




Veteran Lardarius Webb is set to cost $12 million against the cap in 2015 Thats almost revis money...


Terrance Knighthon also could hit open market because of Cap issues. I could see some pork chop in chicago next year since bears are gonna need a Zero tech asap

 

[Genx87]

Kind of funny about Richardson. I thought for sure Cleveland was getting the shit end of the stick on that trade. But Cleveland has done their best to minimize their success by using part of that trade to get Manziel. Which is another disaster in the making. But overall I still think Cleveland made out on that trade.

 

[manimal]

Kind of funny about Richardson. I thought for sure Cleveland was getting the shit end of the stick on that trade. But Cleveland has done their best to minimize their success by using part of that trade to get Manziel. Which is another disaster in the making. But overall I still think Cleveland made out on that trade.

guy likes to eat




plain and simple the guy cant commit himself to his craft like another fattie Japorcus Russel has ridges.

 

[glenn1]

Kind of funny about Richardson. I thought for sure Cleveland was getting the shit end of the stick on that trade. But Cleveland has done their best to minimize their success by using part of that trade to get Manziel. Which is another disaster in the making. But overall I still think Cleveland made out on that trade.

It takes real talent to be a bust of a first round draft pick for two different franchises. Even JaMarcus Russell couldn't pull off that one.

How anyone could have possibly thought Manziel was worth the 1.01 pick in the draft utterly flabbergasts me. It was pretty obvious from even before the draft that he would be a locker room cancer even if you didn't expend any draft capital on him.

 

[Ban Bot]

I would like to see Seattle draft some boom/bust propositions. @ 31 in the first round the "safe" pick often doesn't guarantee high production for many need/premium positions. Some examples: Todd Gurley (RB, knee), Dorial Green-Beckham (WR, character), Marcus Peters (CB, character) could be huge boom players if their issues are remedied/vetted prior to selection. A lot of teams drafting higher in the draft have larger needs and cannot afford a miss. I think Seattle can afford a miss at the chance for a Top10 talent.

All three of those players, when healthy / out of trouble / dedicated to their craft, could be game changes. Seattle could use a long-term insurance plan on Lynch and Gurley has a similar style. They need a tall, young, athletic target for Wilson (huge area of need). And losing Maxwell at corner creates a hole; Peters has all the tools and is quite physical. Sherman/Thomas/Chancellor are all secured with contracts for 3-4 years so getting a potential "plus" level corner on a long rookie contract would give the LOB a solid 3-5 year window before age and contracts catch up.

A lot of teams draft for immediate need. Seattle tends to take best player + draft for needs 2-3 years down the road if possible. They have their misses. Carpenter was a flop as a 1st round tackle and an average at best guard. Okung (R1) is hurt a lot. Paul Richardson (R2) barely played last year and then got hurt (which was the issue with his slight frame). (R2) Christine Michael has barely seen the field with Lynch in front of him and unable to uproot Turbo as #2 back. Then there was Harvin traded for a first... the only 1st to really work out in 5 years was Earl Thomas. The book is still out on Bruce Irvine, which is a shame because he is developing but Seattle paid a 1st pick to get an underwhelming development player and by the time he has value he will be a free agent. 1st picks are "supposed" to provide immediate value. If there are two knocks against John Schnieder it would be R1 and R2 players have tended to miss, and they have really struggled to hit at a number of positions: Receiver, Defensive Line (especially DT), and Offensive Line.

But their list of low-draft players playing like 1st round players is impressive. They need some of that mojo at receiver. If Seattle could walk away from the draft with any two of the three (Green-Beckham, Gurley, and/or Peters) I think there is a good chance at least 1 of the 2 guys would be a steal.

 

[manimal]

I would like to see Seattle draft some boom/bust propositions. @ 31 in the first round the "safe" pick often doesn't guarantee high production for many need/premium positions. Some examples: Todd Gurley (RB, knee), Dorial Green-Beckham (WR, character), Marcus Peters (CB, character) could be huge boom players if their issues are remedied/vetted prior to selection. A lot of teams drafting higher in the draft have larger needs and cannot afford a miss. I think Seattle can afford a miss at the chance for a Top10 talent.

All three of those players, when healthy / out of trouble / dedicated to their craft, could be game changes. Seattle could use a long-term insurance plan on Lynch and Gurley has a similar style. They need a tall, young, athletic target for Wilson (huge area of need). And losing Maxwell at corner creates a hole; Peters has all the tools and is quite physical. Sherman/Thomas/Chancellor are all secured with contracts for 3-4 years so getting a potential "plus" level corner on a long rookie contract would give the LOB a solid 3-5 year window before age and contracts catch up.

A lot of teams draft for immediate need. Seattle tends to take best player + draft for needs 2-3 years down the road if possible. They have their misses. Carpenter was a flop as a 1st round tackle and an average at best guard. Okung (R1) is hurt a lot. Paul Richardson (R2) barely played last year and then got hurt (which was the issue with his slight frame). (R2) Christine Michael has barely seen the field with Lynch in front of him and unable to uproot Turbo as #2 back. Then there was Harvin traded for a first... the only 1st to really work out in 5 years was Earl Thomas. The book is still out on Bruce Irvine, which is a shame because he is developing but Seattle paid a 1st pick to get an underwhelming development player and by the time he has value he will be a free agent. 1st picks are "supposed" to provide immediate value. If there are two knocks against John Schnieder it would be R1 and R2 players have tended to miss, and they have really struggled to hit at a number of positions: Receiver, Defensive Line (especially DT), and Offensive Line.

But their list of low-draft players playing like 1st round players is impressive. They need some of that mojo at receiver. If Seattle could walk away from the draft with any two of the three (Green-Beckham, Gurley, and/or Peters) I think there is a good chance at least 1 of the 2 guys would be a steal.

DGB Peters and Gurley offer tremedous value in this draft. Gurley should have the least amount of risk. In this day and age his Knee should recover 100 percent. Dominque Easley had a much worse tear and he recovered ok and was taken in a similar spot though I think he didnt have a ton of value. Jury is still out on his knee. Another huge upside guy is the LT Cedric Ogbuehi was considered a top ten pick until he tore his ACL in his bowl game. Hes not being considered a 3rd or 4th. I would pick that guy in a an instant in the early third if the scans are good.

Gurley is the real deal and I think will have a better career than Melvin Gordon. I could also see Seattle Cock blocking the Patriots who I think will have interest in Gurley as well. Would be a win win for seattle.

Seattle has to wiggle out of their cap issues and I could see beast mode riding off into the sunset with the new contract that Wilson will command. Cliff Avril needs a contract too doesnt he?


Seattle should look at Gurley but if hes taken TJ yeldon in the late second would be just as good. Guy is a beast and looks a little tall running trough the hole but so does Lacy and hes doing ok with himself.

Honestly I think this years RB class is better than last year and has 10 quality guys and a few more that could end up being great.

From Gurley and Melvin all the way down to Buck Allen and David Cobb the physicality of this years crop is amazing. I see a ton of Current five and six year backups being out of the NFL in a year or two.


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000400267/Antwan-Goodley-analysis

My new fave mid late round reciever is Antwan Goodley. 5 10 210 lbs looks like a rb runs 4.4 and punished defensive backs. This guy would be an outerworldly slot guy.


Combine here in indy next week and the real drama happens in the hospitals that surround the area near the stadium. A few of my friends always have some interesting stories about what happens though those damn pesky Hipa laws prevent them from telling me names unless I get them drunk

I may be able to go watch some of it yay!

 

[Genx87]

It takes real talent to be a bust of a first round draft pick for two different franchises. Even JaMarcus Russell couldn't pull off that one.

How anyone could have possibly thought Manziel was worth the 1.01 pick in the draft utterly flabbergasts me. It was pretty obvious from even before the draft that he would be a locker room cancer even if you didn't expend any draft capital on him.

Manziel had character issues. But for me his style of play would be as big a worry. Running QBs just dont work well in the NFL. He was also a gunslinger at A&M. Without those talented WRs that could abuse college DBs he wouldnt had been a household name. The one game he played this year looked a lot like his days at A&M. The difference was he was playing against an NFL defense and not some college team. Those plays would be made at A&M. In the NFL it was a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[manimal]

Manziel had character issues. But for me his style of play would be as big a worry. Running QBs just dont work well in the NFL. He was also a gunslinger at A&M. Without those talented WRs that could abuse college DBs he wouldnt had been a household name. The one game he played this year looked a lot like his days at A&M. The difference was he was playing against an NFL defense and not some college team. Those plays would be made at A&M. In the NFL it was a disaster waiting to happen.

I knew the minute I heard he had trouble learning the playbook. Totally agree with you on the freelancing being bad in the nfl. If your Oline doenst know where your gonna go and what your gonna do your gonna go splat real quick. He is too small and slight and doesnt seem to be a hard worker. He was asked and tasked to run the offense within the system and the minute he has game time he runs around like an idiot. How can the coaches trust him going forward?

I had my doubts about manshizzle but I thought that if he went somewhere where he could learn from a good character pro under a strong head coach and he definately didnt get that there.

I could see them trading him for a third or fourth to someone like Tampa who is gonna start dealing soon. I could also see him getting traded to Washington because frankly they are that stupid Cousins for Johnny Drama and a late pick ?

 

[glenn1]

Tampa cuts McClown.

 

[manimal]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2361512-why-marshawn-lynch-would-even-consider-retirement
mediocre article about marshawn. Guy compares him to Barry Sanders the year he retired. Hes hinted publicly a few times this year about retiring.


I personally think this is a major orchestrated ploy by beastmode to get traded to the Raiders. I would put money on this story getting some legs.

 

[manimal]

Tampa cuts McClown.

He would be an upgrade to 2/3 of the league as a backup. I bet he makes 2-3 million per really quick. Slim pickins out there right now. I would get him to back up a young inexperienced starter since Mccown is known to be a good team player who mentors. He would be great as a Raider backup but that would create cap problems for them

 

[mvbighead]

How anyone could have possibly thought Manziel was worth the 1.01 pick in the draft utterly flabbergasts me. It was pretty obvious from even before the draft that he would be a locker room cancer even if you didn't expend any draft capital on him.

To me, this really all comes down to Russell Wilson. No one had ever thought to draft a 5-11 QB in the first round due to size being a major issue. Wilson comes along, and wins a SB in his second year (granted, mostly due to defense and run game). So you have all that success in a small package, and here comes Johnny with the same 'characteristics.'

The media salivates, and sells it like he's the next Russell.

Problem is, Russell has a head on his shoulders. Russell has humility. Russell has character. Russell has a strong enough arm. Russell...

Manziel on the other hand believes his poo doesn't stink. He's tabbed to be a starting QB, but he can't stay out of the club. And, it turns out his arm is weak.

I dunno, to me, the best QBs in the league all have humility, character, and smarts. The arm talent is usually not the question at that point. Some guys throw with heat, some guys don't. But the real difference between a franchise QB is not the arm, it's what's above and between the shoulder pads. Manziel doesn't, and most likely won't, have any of it.

 

[mvbighead]

He would be an upgrade to 2/3 of the league as a backup. I bet he makes 2-3 million per really quick. Slim pickins out there right now. I would get him to back up a young inexperienced starter since Mccown is known to be a good team player who mentors. He would be great as a Raider backup but that would create cap problems for them

I wouldn't mind seeing the Colts do that deal. 5+ whatever they were paying to Hasslebeck was way too steep IMO.

 

[Genx87]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...johnny-manziel-s-personal-life-215143724.html

lmfao

 

[IndyColtsFan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...johnny-manziel-s-personal-life-215143724.html

lmfao

I don't know what's worse -- the fact that Haslam might be lying or the fact Haslam might be telling the truth.

 

[vi edit]

A little humor for the day....

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http://imgur.com/a/xzEUx

 

[manimal]

A little humor for the day....

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http://imgur.com/a/xzEUx

Loi!



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ikens-randy-gregory-to-draft-bust-dion-jordan


scout compares randy gregory to draft bust dion jordan. HA TOLD YA!


Another thing you guys have to realise is guys also play the weight game at the combine. Some undersized players dont run the 40 and the agility drills at the combine because they fill out for weight when they are underzised like gregory or possibly beasley this year. They Get their weight up to 240-250 so they can get the 4-3 checkbox and lighten up before their pro day when they have time to get back to a fast weight.

Jedevios Clownwhatshisname last year did this and hid his knee injury. I think he ran his 40 with a bum knee last year.

 

[MetalMat]

Tampa cuts McClown.

I'm not surprised. Yes the Tampa o-line was in shambles but even when they did give him time he continually held on to the ball too damn long and was rather inaccurate on his throws. His NFL career is probably over.

As far as Tampa goes I will be stunned if they don't pick Winston or Mariota in the draft.