2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

[cpacini]

I really really hope the bucs do not take Winston. I'm not so sure yet about Mariota either but I'd rather have him.

If Philly wants to trade Foles and a couple of first rounders for the number 1 pick that would be pretty good.

 

[glenn1]

If Mariota somehow falls to 2 I hope there is a team willing to trade up with the Titans to get him. I don't think there is a QB worth taking with a #1 or 2 this year and would rather trade down and get one of the DL or LB prospects. We need so many pieces that extra picks would be more beneficial than a QB that will likely get run out of town before we have the other spots up to snuff.

Can't see it happening. No one behind the Titans really *HAS* to take a QB; the Jets and Rams could theoretically but Geno Smith and Sam Bradford aren't complete disasters. I guess if the Bears waive Cutler they could be in the market but again since they're pick 1.07 there's no need to pay a higher premium to trade all the way up to 1.02.

If anything IMHO TEN should just pick Williams or Gregory at the 1.02 and hope Hundley is there in the 2nd round. If not then try to get a serviceable vet QB option in FA and hope for a Kurt Warner type jackpot.

 

[benzylic]

There are so few choices this year though some cheap trades could happen. Washington has a backup to trade. Lovie has a decent QB he doesnt respect for some reason in Glennon and the Chiefs could deal their backup as well.

Rex is a devil you know guy and at least he knows Buttefumble

The Chiefs will almost certainly trade or cut Chase Daniel. He's due almost 5 million next year which makes him one of the highest paid backups. That's not necessarily a bad thing we just other players that need to be resigned. What they do with Dwyane Bowe will be interesting as he's due 11 million and is in no way worth it.

So I see the chiefs resigning or franchising Houston, resigning Hudson, cut or restructure Bowe, cut or trade Daniel, sign or trade for big name reciever or draft one maybe both, and do something about Tamba Hali. He says he's open to restructuring his contract but we'll see.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Josh Gordon. I think I read he's only due like 2 million next year which is pretty cheap and could probably get him for a midrounder that could move up based on performance. Sure he's a moron but one more screw up and he's almost certainly out of the league for good and that might be enough of an incentive to straighten up.

 

[preslove]

There isn't a QB that's worth a #1 overall pick. Tampa might be dumb enough to take Jameis at 1, though.

 

[smackababy]

There isn't a QB that's worth a #1 overall pick. Tampa might be dumb enough to take Jameis at 1, though.

Both Jameis and Mariota are going to go before the 7th pick. While, I think Glennon is serviceable in Tampa, Tennessee needs a QB. Both Whitehurst and Big Ben rapist number 2 are not starting material. And, I don't expect the Jets to not take the best QB available at 6. Although, they might be dumb enough to take someone for that pick though. Maybe Foles if Mariota is still available then?

 

[Genx87]

I think the Bucs will take Winston #1 overall. Mariota time will tell. It depends if he can land on a team willing to spend a couple seasons teaching him how to be a pro-style QB. If a team drafts expecting him to start right away. Then expect another RG3 disaster imo.

 

[manimal]

http://www.first-pick.com/


draft sim game crack

 

[Jimzz]

I think the Bucs will take Winston #1 overall. Mariota time will tell. It depends if he can land on a team willing to spend a couple seasons teaching him how to be a pro-style QB. If a team drafts expecting him to start right away. Then expect another RG3 disaster imo.

Wonder if Denver would trade up to get Mariota since looks like they got Payton another year then he will be done? Either that or another team that has a decent QB but only a year or two left in the tank.

But yea he seems to have the most potential at QB IMO but only if a team works with him.

 

[Imported]

Denver trading enough picks to get in the top 3 for Mariota would hurt the franchise more than just tanking the next season to get the #1 pick next year IMO..

 

[zinfamous]

I still don't see what people seem to see in Winston. Is it just that he happens to be the King of Shitsvania (regarding QBs) this year?

 

[KeithTalent]

I still don't see what people seem to see in Winston. Is it just that he happens to be the King of Shitsvania (regarding QBs) this year?

Duh, free seafood. You know how much that shit costs?

KT

 

[Genx87]

Wonder if Denver would trade up to get Mariota since looks like they got Payton another year then he will be done? Either that or another team that has a decent QB but only a year or two left in the tank.

But yea he seems to have the most potential at QB IMO but only if a team works with him.

Im not sure he has the most potential honestly. He may have the most potential to improve his play in the NFL. But that is because he will be starting pretty low. Winston has been in a pro-style offense for 3 years. He could start next Fall and be serviceable. Winstons issues are off the field. On the field nobody complains about his work ethic or ability or willingness to learn.

 

[Genx87]

I still don't see what people seem to see in Winston. Is it just that he happens to be the King of Shitsvania (regarding QBs) this year?

Eh where to start? His physical attributes are solid. His arm strength very good. Decision making very good. Understanding of pro-style concepts are very good. He also won a heisman, lead his team to a national championship as a freshman, and then helped carry a young offense at the skill positions his second year to 13-1 with a 26-1 overall starting record.

 

[zinfamous]

Eh where to start? His physical attributes are solid. His arm strength very good. Decision making very good. Understanding of pro-style concepts are very good. He also won a heisman, lead his team to a national championship as a freshman, and then helped carry a young offense at the skill positions his second year to 13-1 with a 26-1 overall starting record.

yeah, but individually he doesn't seem to have a lot outside of those teams. I only watched him play 2 or 3 times this year, but it looked like he was just running around reacting to things, and were it not for the peeps around him, FSU would have lost those games by 10 points instead of winning them by 3.

Heisman means mostly dick for the NFL. Tebow won two of them, and he's terrible. Chris Weinke won a fucking Heisman. RG3 won one over Luck. lol! Was the last deserving Heisman winner Woodson?...and that was over the good Manning (yes--the shitty Manning actually won a Heisman! roflbbqandstuff).

He's already a complete disaster off the field, almost certainly cancer in the locker room, and I really don't see him being the person that elevates bad or even decent teams.

Physical attributes, arm strength, and decision making. You are describing Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, and Byron Leftwich. Only one of those 3 had real NFL talent, except that he fizzled out pretty quickly.

 

[Genx87]

yeah, but individually he doesn't seem to have a lot outside of those teams. I only watched him play 2 or 3 times this year, but it looked like he was just running around reacting to things, and were it not for the peeps around him, FSU would have lost those games by 10 points instead of winning them by 3.

You have to realize he was working with 2 true freshman at receiver, a true freshman and converted safety at RB and for most of the season a redshirt freshman at center. The timing of the routes, and the routes actually being run caused some issues this year. Some of those interceptions were caused by receivers stopping their routes. That didn't happen in 2013 due to having veteran talent at those positions. And until they moved Cam to center and brought in true freshman Johnson at left tackle the offensive line was a mess. Losing stork at center was huge from last year for the position group.

Heisman means mostly dick for the NFL. Tebow won two of them, and he's terrible. Chris Weinke won a fucking Heisman. RG3 won one over Luck. lol! Was the last deserving Heisman winner Woodson?...and that was over the good Manning (yes--the shitty Manning actually won a Heisman! roflbbqandstuff).

While I agree with you a Heisman is not indicative of NFL talent. It is an award that is still highly coveted. Especially among QBs.

He's already a complete disaster off the field, almost certainly cancer in the locker room, and I really don't see him being the person that elevates bad or even decent teams.

Winston is not a cancer in the locker room. Where did you get that? His team rallied around him time and time again. If anything he was a unifying force in FSU's locker room. Off the field he has been a moron. But most of what he has admitted to is pretty harmless stuff. Stealing 30 bucks worth of crab legs. Yelling an obscenity in a public location. The rape allegation has now had 4 different reviewing bodies call it unfounded.

He elevated FSU to 13-1 this year and another undefeated conference schedule and conference championship. Without Winston. I really think this team loses these games.

NCST
Miami
Louisville
Notre Dame

FSUs talent was too raw last year to go 13-1 without a leader like Winston at QB.

Physical attributes, arm strength, and decision making. You are describing Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, and Byron Leftwich. Only one of those 3 had real NFL talent, except that he fizzled out pretty quickly.

I'm describing every highly drafted QB.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm describing every highly drafted QB.

yeah, that's fair, too

I guess I am assuming that at the pro level he could metastisize, but maybe not. I really haven't paid that much attention to FSU or NCAA football this year, so I could be missing a lot. I thought his off the field antics were worse than they appear...but mix in 5.whatever million dollars and we'll see...

And I did see the NCSU game (still bitter about that one!), and figured that if the Wolfpack had at least 2 people that could tackle, we would have won that one.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/559452358435160064

Browns WR Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and now will be subject to a one-year banishment, per league sources.

Another gift from the Factory of Sadness, i heard he tested positive for alcohol.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ests-positive-for-alcohol-faces-one-year-ban/

 

[smackababy]

Lol Josh Gordon. Kid is dumber than Ricky Williams.

 

[KeithTalent]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/559452358435160064

Browns WR Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and now will be subject to a one-year banishment, per league sources.

Another gift from the Factory of Sadness, i heard he tested positive for alcohol.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ests-positive-for-alcohol-faces-one-year-ban/

Wow, unreal. What an idiot.

KT

 

[Adrenaline]

Josh Gordon may be the dumbest professional athlete of all time...

OF ALL TIME !!!

 

[glenn1]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/559452358435160064

Browns WR Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and now will be subject to a one-year banishment, per league sources.

Another gift from the Factory of Sadness, i heard he tested positive for alcohol.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ests-positive-for-alcohol-faces-one-year-ban/

And I presume this is at the higher standards negotiated earlier this year to allow him to be reinstated mid-season. If so the limit was pretty generous so he really can't argue "contact high" this go-around.

Jeez, how little willpower do you need to have to not be able to resist smoking a joint if it cost you millions of dollars, perhaps tens or hundreds of millions over a (relatively brief) football career?

 

[SunnyD]

Tested positive for alcohol?

Seriously?

Since when was alcohol a banned substance in the NFL? Come on guys.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Tested positive for alcohol?

Seriously?

Since when was alcohol a banned substance in the NFL? Come on guys.

When you have a previous dui.

 

[SunnyD]

When you have a previous dui.

And driving is an issue when you're on the field? If he failed a sobriety test at a checkpoint and got cited for another DUI, fine. Due process. But alcohol screening, especially during the "offseason"?

Priorities NFL, priorities.

 

[smackababy]

And driving is an issue when you're on the field? If he failed a sobriety test at a checkpoint and got cited for another DUI, fine. Due process. But alcohol screening, especially during the "offseason"?

Priorities NFL, priorities.

Well, considering the half life of alcohol in the blood, he'd have to have been drinking close to the test.