2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

[Imported]

What.. no discussion of the Manning to Texans talks that happened earlier this year?

 

[KMFJD]

maybe if Alex Smith didn't have a noodle arm. I'd put Johnson/Testeverde above those guys, though.

I do like Smith, but you really have to fit him in to the proper scheme to make him effective.

Tannehill is a modern day Jake Delhomme then!

 

[techs]

Tannehill is a great short thrower. If he could ever learn to throw the long ball he would be a really top notch qb.

However, he just doesn't seem to either have the arm or accuracy for the long ball and other teams are learning this. I was surprised the Fins gave him the contract they did. Tannehill could be successful in the West Coast offense, but even there you would want a qb who moves better than Tannehill.

Tannehill makes the Fins a .500 team. If you put talented players around him he could have some winning seasons. On the other hand put an average team around him and he can't lift it up like the better qb's can.

 

[gorcorps]

Knowshon Moreno will be out for 2015, damn shame he won't be able to reprise his 2013 season.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...os-knee-will-prevent-him-from-playing-in-2015

That season was more of a fluke than anything. He's just so fragile... spent a lot of time off the field which was frustrating as a fan

 

[smackababy]

So Alfred Morris is becoming the poster child for restructuring rookie contracts... Again. Sure, he has been incredibly productive, but has it been so long we have already forgotten Jamarcus Russell?

 

[Jimzz]

So Alfred Morris is becoming the poster child for restructuring rookie contracts... Again. Sure, he has been incredibly productive, but has it been so long we have already forgotten Jamarcus Russell?

Alfred Morris is about the only thing that has been pretty reliable and good for the redskins for several years now.
Keeping him is very key if they want to win.

 

[glenn1]

What.. no discussion of the Manning to Texans talks that happened earlier this year?

Doesn't seem like the talks were that serious and they obviously went nowhere. Not that it matters, IMHO Manning has hit the wall and will struggle to be in the top half of active QBs this year. It probably wont' be an utter disaster of a season like Steve DeBerg's last year, but it wouldn't surprise me if Peyton had a phantom injury later in the season and the Brock Osweiller era begins, God save us all. What with the coming tsunami of QB retirements (Brady, McCown, Palmer might be gone this year; and guys like Rivers, Big Ben, and Brees are beginning their decline) the Broncos probably should have devoted more draft capital to the position than just taking Trevor Semian.

 

[RearAdmiral]

Doesn't seem like the talks were that serious and they obviously went nowhere. Not that it matters, IMHO Manning has hit the wall and will struggle to be in the top half of active QBs this year. It probably wont' be an utter disaster of a season like Steve DeBerg's last year, but it wouldn't surprise me if Peyton had a phantom injury later in the season and the Brock Osweiller era begins, God save us all. What with the coming tsunami of QB retirements (Brady, McCown, Palmer might be gone this year; and guys like Rivers, Big Ben, and Brees are beginning their decline) the Broncos probably should have devoted more draft capital to the position than just taking Trevor Semian.

Didn't Rivers and Ben just post career numbers?

 

[chitwood]

Tannehill is a great short thrower. If he could ever learn to throw the long ball he would be a really top notch qb.

However, he just doesn't seem to either have the arm or accuracy for the long ball and other teams are learning this. I was surprised the Fins gave him the contract they did. Tannehill could be successful in the West Coast offense, but even there you would want a qb who moves better than Tannehill.

Tannehill makes the Fins a .500 team. If you put talented players around him he could have some winning seasons. On the other hand put an average team around him and he can't lift it up like the better qb's can.

what the hell?

He played WR in college, and last season he was 5th in the league in QB rushing yards, ahead of guys like Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck.

Having said that, I agree his deep throw needs serious work.

 

[smackababy]

Alfred Morris is about the only thing that has been pretty reliable and good for the redskins for several years now.
Keeping him is very key if they want to win.

The argument is that for the past 3 seasons he has made the league minimum. While for someone as productive as him, that is low, the idea we need to restructure rookie contracts again just smacks of Jamarcus Russell. We don't need someone making $30 million and never starting a game. Even at the expense of high productivity like Russell Willson and Alfred Morris. They will make their money, unless we get another Terrell Davis tragedy. =(

 

[zinfamous]

The argument is that for the past 3 seasons he has made the league minimum. While for someone as productive as him, that is low, the idea we need to restructure rookie contracts again just smacks of Jamarcus Russell. We don't need someone making $30 million and never starting a game. Even at the expense of high productivity like Russell Willson and Alfred Morris. They will make their money, unless we get another Terrell Davis tragedy. =(

agreed, but restructuring rookie contracts isn't the same as the Jamarcus Russell problem, which was a #1 pick problem.

I don't see why rookie contracts, regardless of the number of the pick in which they are taken, can't have some bargaining potential at the end of their 1st, or even 2nd (can we at least look at 2 full seasons?) based on previous performance, with incentive-heavy money baked into the following season's contract.

 

[smackababy]

agreed, but restructuring rookie contracts isn't the same as the Jamarcus Russell problem, which was a #1 pick problem.

I don't see why rookie contracts, regardless of the number of the pick in which they are taken, can't have some bargaining potential at the end of their 1st, or even 2nd (can we at least look at 2 full seasons?) based on previous performance, with incentive-heavy money baked into the following season's contract.

I don't mean restructuring during the contract, I mean them restructuring the entire process and numbers.

I agree, giving players some bargaining after some solid play (maybe a player / team option to renegotiate after a set period of time), but then it will be incredibly player favorable. I mean, what big name guy, after 2 great seasons, wouldn't renegotiate immediately upon being available? Hell, Dez Byrant is doing it after his rookie contract. Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck are both going to do that. If it was simply incentive (reachable incentives) added after so many years, that might be okay. You perform, you make some more money while increasing your value; you don't, you make your base money and hope for the best.

 

[techs]

what the hell?

He played WR in college, and last season he was 5th in the league in QB rushing yards, ahead of guys like Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck.

Having said that, I agree his deep throw needs serious work.

He's averaged 250 yards rushing per season, average of 15.8 ypg. He may be straight ahead fast but he's not particulary quick,imo.

I don't see the Fins breaking out with Tannehill to a top tier team if they are going to rely on Tannehill. I think when all is said and done Tannehill will be one of those qb's who never cracks the top ten of the current qb list.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I think Tannehill is pretty underrated actually. I'm not saying he's worth the contract he got, but then NFL contracts are bullshit anyway so I'm not even really giving that much consideration. I'm not saying he's elite yet either. For one thing, seriously WTF people don't seem to notice he's just in his 4th year, and I can only guess that people are comparing him to Wilson and Luck too much. Plus it's like people are ignoring how much of a mess the Dolphins franchise has been (they're not Raiders or Redskins level, but they've had plenty of dysfunction the past 5 years or so). Despite that, him and the defense brought some stability to the team which is why they've been decent the past few years. Definitely he needs to improve to be a true franchise QB and make them consistently good, but people need some perspective. Plus people need to remember that not all QBs will be elite. Hell, half the "elite" QBs are ones that only have elite years like one out of every 3 or 4.

I couldn't understand the fervor over dropping him early last year, and while I understand the discussion with his new contract, I think people need to be more realistic.

To me, he's about to current "good" Alex Smith level (he's less conservative/more turnovers as you'd expect from a young guy, but he also is willing to take more chances) and he's only played 3 seasons. There's actual reason to think he will improve.

I also think Miami is going about building a good team in sorta the right way, in that they seem to get the value of QB and defense. But they seem to be trying to screw it up with all the big moves/contracts the past few years. But they're at least trying. They got Mike Wallace and recognized he wasn't a good fit for the team (or QB) and moved on. We'll see how the Suh deal works out (even if Suh plays to that level I still think it's going to cause too much problems for them in keeping a good team; see JJ Watt where he's worth the money but still can't make the team great on his own or even with a decent amount of help). The Dolphins need to do very well in the draft as the free agent/acquisition model just doesn't hold up long term and often can setup a cycle of failure (see the Redskins; of course they also are an example of how to screw up drafting as well).

 

[techs]

For a awhile I thought the Fins were on the right trak with Philbin as their coach when suddenly they went bat shit crazy on their signings, acting like they were only a couple of star players aways from a top notch team. Now I don't know what to think.

 

[darkswordsman17]

For a awhile I thought the Fins were on the right trak with Philbin as their coach when suddenly they went bat shit crazy on their signings, acting like they were only a couple of star players aways from a top notch team. Now I don't know what to think.

Yeah, I'm not entirely sure on Philbin, he doesn't seem really sure himself and I think that's another thing people are not taking into account with Tannehill. Thing is, I don't think he's the one behind that, its the GM and owner (who listens to Carl Peterson who liked doing big signings while GM of the Chiefs) likely pushing that stuff. That gets fans excited and brings them to the stadium. The problem is it rarely leads to real success and definitely not long term and often leads to crashing and burning.

 

[lupi]

Seems NHL folded in a lawsuit against them to allow people to buy season pass of just 1 team and a drastic reduced rate and that same group taking on the NFL. Also another different lawsuit also ongoing about direct ticket, while Direct TV talks about the entire thing just being a loss leader while agreeing to a 50% increase in what they pay for the privilege.

Maybe a day closer to it being a reasonably priced and widely available product?

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...fl-sunday-ticket.aspx?source=eogyholnk0000001

 

[glenn1]

Must be getting close to football season as the PED suspensions are starting to roll in. Four games each for Antonio Gates (TE, SD), Sheldon Richardson (DL, NYJ), and Rolando McClain (LB, DAL).

 

[BUTCH1]

I think Tannehill is pretty underrated actually. I'm not saying he's worth the contract he got, but then NFL contracts are bullshit anyway so I'm not even really giving that much consideration. I'm not saying he's elite yet either. For one thing, seriously WTF people don't seem to notice he's just in his 4th year, and I can only guess that people are comparing him to Wilson and Luck too much. Plus it's like people are ignoring how much of a mess the Dolphins franchise has been (they're not Raiders or Redskins level, but they've had plenty of dysfunction the past 5 years or so). Despite that, him and the defense brought some stability to the team which is why they've been decent the past few years. Definitely he needs to improve to be a true franchise QB and make them consistently good, but people need some perspective. Plus people need to remember that not all QBs will be elite. Hell, half the "elite" QBs are ones that only have elite years like one out of every 3 or 4.

I couldn't understand the fervor over dropping him early last year, and while I understand the discussion with his new contract, I think people need to be more realistic.

To me, he's about to current "good" Alex Smith level (he's less conservative/more turnovers as you'd expect from a young guy, but he also is willing to take more chances) and he's only played 3 seasons. There's actual reason to think he will improve.

I also think Miami is going about building a good team in sorta the right way, in that they seem to get the value of QB and defense. But they seem to be trying to screw it up with all the big moves/contracts the past few years. But they're at least trying. They got Mike Wallace and recognized he wasn't a good fit for the team (or QB) and moved on. We'll see how the Suh deal works out (even if Suh plays to that level I still think it's going to cause too much problems for them in keeping a good team; see JJ Watt where he's worth the money but still can't make the team great on his own or even with a decent amount of help). The Dolphins need to do very well in the draft as the free agent/acquisition model just doesn't hold up long term and often can setup a cycle of failure (see the Redskins; of course they also are an example of how to screw up drafting as well).

As a Patriot fan I see Miami as a legit threat this year, although I thought they overspent on signing Suh his presence will dictate what plays other teams will try and run. He will need 2 people to block him on any given play and Wake is one of the best edge-rushers around will probably see much better opportunity's to get to the QB. Tannerhill has shown steady progress every year and with a solid D behind him it could be a break-out season for the Dolphins. Like the rest of the AFC east all will benefit from Brady's absence, IMO they will probably reduce his suspension to 2 games but even that's not a given, he could take it to court based on the grounds that the punishment doesn't match the crime but that's a long and uncertain route and I don't see him taking that chance.

 

[BUTCH1]

Seems NHL folded in a lawsuit against them to allow people to buy season pass of just 1 team and a drastic reduced rate and that same group taking on the NFL. Also another different lawsuit also ongoing about direct ticket, while Direct TV talks about the entire thing just being a loss leader while agreeing to a 50% increase in what they pay for the privilege.

Maybe a day closer to it being a reasonably priced and widely available product?

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...fl-sunday-ticket.aspx?source=eogyholnk0000001

Just plain greed by the NFL, weather one has cable or a satellite provider PPV technology has been around for quite awhile now and the NFL could have opted to offer out-of-market games on any existing cable network, Direct TV just forked over the $1.5 billion dollar check for exclusive rights. Don't want to or CAN'T (think Condo or Apt dwellers) sign up for Direct TV?, sorry pal, how could we turn down $1.5 bil/yr. Scrounge around the internet for a crappy stream in low-res and hope we don't find it and shut it down while the game's still ongoing.

 

[lupi]

Funny thing was directv ceo talked about how the package was a loss leader for them, then the signed a new contract where they increased their cost by 50%.

 

[lupi]

bucs DB now an eight fingered man after experimenting with fireworks.

 

[smackababy]

Oh man, judge has ordered Redskins trademark to be cancelled.

 

[lupi]

new report that jpp now down to 9 fingers.

 

[smackababy]

Looks like contracts are going to be including "no fireworks" next to the "no motorcycles" clause. Lol.