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werepossum

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This actually suits me - lots of oil so we won't run out, but high prices so that we're motivated to use less, do less drilling and fracking, and develop other, cleaner, cheaper forms of energy as well as higher efficiency in general.

Weekend before Memorial Day I paid $3.899 for 100% gasoline for the bike - a forty cent premium over the ethanol mix next door. Ouch! Then saw the same chain ten miles away selling at $3.399 - a fifty cent premium over themselves. Double ouch!
 

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This actually suits me - lots of oil so we won't run out, but high prices so that we're motivated to use less, do less drilling and fracking, and develop other, cleaner, cheaper forms of energy as well as higher efficiency in general.

Weekend before Memorial Day I paid $3.899 for 100% gasoline for the bike - a forty cent premium over the ethanol mix next door. Ouch! Then saw the same chain ten miles away selling at $3.399 - a fifty cent premium over themselves. Double ouch!

Is there a place in NJ that actually sells 100% gasoline without the 10% ethanol? Can I just use an ethanol stabilizer to counter effect it?
 

Engineer

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This actually suits me - lots of oil so we won't run out, but high prices so that we're motivated to use less, do less drilling and fracking, and develop other, cleaner, cheaper forms of energy as well as higher efficiency in general.

Weekend before Memorial Day I paid $3.899 for 100% gasoline for the bike - a forty cent premium over the ethanol mix next door. Ouch! Then saw the same chain ten miles away selling at $3.399 - a fifty cent premium over themselves. Double ouch!

If oil is high, why would they do "less" fracking and drilling? Looks to me like if they can frack and drill AND keep prices high, it's a win..win...win for the oil companies?
 

werepossum

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Is there a place in NJ that actually sells 100% gasoline without the 10% ethanol? Can I just use an ethanol stabilizer to counter effect it?
I dunno. I'm in Tennessee and I use Midnight Oil. If you need pure gasoline, I'd recommend talking to a shop manager or head mechanic at either a good motorcycle shop or a good boat shop, as those tend to be the sort of highly stressed engines to respond poorly to ethanol.

Also, make sure you actually need 100% gasoline. I think most 100% gasoline blends still use MTBE as an oxidizer, which in my opinion is probably worse environmentally than ethanol. Although admittedly ethanol's pretty bad so I may be wrong, and it can also be devastating to very poor New World people who culturally depend on a diet heavy in cheap corn products. If on the other hand you're looking at storing gasoline for a long time, you may be able to find suitable treatments for ethanol mixes. Remember too that gasoline has substances (forget what they are called) that can precipitate out over time without proper additives.

There are some web sites listing pure gasoline by state and city, but I've found that some (sometimes most) of the stations listed will have ethanol stickers. And neither of the sites with which I'm familiar have any New Jersey stations.
http://pure-gas.org/

http://www.buyrealgas.com/

You can also sometimes find ethanol-free gasoline at better marinas and general aviation airports due to need for such fuels, but be aware that if it's not road taxed it's not legal and might not have to be labeled. Also, gasoline for general aviation is usually of extremely high octane; if your engine doesn't need extremely high octane, you won't see much benefit from it.

If oil is high, why would they do "less" fracking and drilling? Looks to me like if they can frack and drill AND keep prices high, it's a win..win...win for the oil companies?
It's only win-win if they can sell all they produce. For awhile they can probably lobby to build up the SPR, and Obama's actually started a strategic gasoline reserve too. But eventually excess production gets very expensive as they not only have to eat the production cost of the unsold surplus, but also have to pay to store it.
 

dmcowen674

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Tornado at Louisiana Refinery and incompetence listed as latest excuses for Gas price jump:

5-29-2014

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...inery-work-u-s-stockpile-drop.html?cmpid=yhoo

Gasoline Jumps on Louisiana Refinery Work

Gasoline futures climbed in New York after a tornado-damaged Louisiana refinery shut a crude unit and an industry report showed that motor fuel supplies fell.

Marathon Petroleum Corp. (MPC)’s Garyville, Louisiana, plant, the nation’s third-largest, suffered damage to a cooling tower and shut a crude unit following the tornado yesterday. U.S. gasoline inventories slid 1.44 million barrels last week

“The Garyville issue is significant because it’s one of the largest refineries in the country and there’s still no indication of how long it’s going to be down,” said Jim Ritterbusch, president of Ritterbusch & Associates LLC in Galena, Illinois. “The market tends to price in a worst-case scenario.”

Refinery Work

That adds to a list of maintenance under way at U.S. Gulf Coast and East Coast plants. PBF Energy Inc.’s Delaware City, Delaware, refinery began work on several units May 27, while Exxon Mobil Corp. conducts crude unit repairs in Chalmette, Louisiana, and Beaumont, Texas.


Alon USA Energy Inc.’s Big Spring, Texas, site this month shut a crude unit and fluid catalytic cracker for a turnaround. The work is expected to be complete mid-June.
 

Londo_Jowo

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^ By all means run your car with a faulty radiator and see how long it will last. Or don't perform any maintenance on the car and run it at 90% engine loading for months on end and see how badly it craters.

McOwned, your ignorance is amazing
 

cabri

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Tornado at Louisiana Refinery and incompetence listed as latest excuses for Gas price jump:

Where is this incompetence that you speak of in your quote.:confused:

Or is this your normal frothing at the mouth. :thumbsdown:
 

sm625

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2-23-2013

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/23/2014-gasoline-price-forecast.aspx#.UrjfQLSmYlQ

2014 Gasoline Price Forecast

There's some good news this holiday season.

Thanks to America's energy boom we will likely be paying less at the pump in 2014.

It has nothing to do with any sort of "energy boom". Demand is down severely. We're basically at 10 year lows in terms of actual miles traveled on the roads. (This is a completely unprecedented highly depressionary statistic btw) So if you assume (correctly) that fuel economy is improving steadily, then that means actual demand for fuel must be steadily decreasing.

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Prices will resume their upward trajectory when the shale boom collapses over the next two years. (It's clearly already underway if you look at the debt service on some of these companies.)
 
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desy

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It has nothing to do with any sort of "energy boom". Demand is down severely. We're basically at 10 year lows in terms of actual miles traveled on the roads. (This is a completely unprecedented highly depressionary statistic btw) So if you assume (correctly) that fuel economy is improving steadily, then that means actual demand for fuel must be steadily decreasing.

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Prices will resume their upward trajectory when the shale boom collapses over the next two years. (It's clearly already underway if you look at the debt service on some of these companies.)

He can't handle the truth
Prefers to believe its BAU in the energy market, whereas I and many others have pointed to the strong undercurrent that is going to change our lives. He sees the symptoms but is misdiagnosing the problem
 

dmcowen674

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Of course the Thugs would spew bullshit like this.

The bastards are touting their incompetency as a strength.

They admit their Refineries are shit because they can't process light crude.

So instead of putting record profits into changing the Refineries to be able to process the light crude they spew this bullshit they need to export the light crude to justify the importing of heavy crude from overseas.

Americans are dumb and they know they will fall for this bullshit.

“When these messages get to the American consumers, I think you will see they will support it,” he added.

5-31-2014

http://www.ibtimes.com/exporting-oi...ices-boost-economy-says-oil-gas-lobby-1591975

Exporting Oil Would Lower US Gas Prices And Boost Economy, Says Oil And Gas Lobby


The U.S. is producing an abundance of the light sweet crude used in gasoline, but since the recent surge in production from shale was unexpected, most refineries are not currently equipped to process this higher-value oil. Instead they process heavier crude.


Selling the more expensive, light sweet crude while importing the heavier crude would narrow the national trade deficit, put more crude on the global market and put downward pressure on the market to bring down prices at gas pumps, Isakower said.

“When these messages get to the American consumers, I think you will see they will support it,” he added.
 

dmcowen674

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I call for a ban on Gasoline exports

https://www.change.org/petitions/president-of-the-united-states-ban-gasoline-exports


  • Petitioning President of the United States


Ban Gasoline exports



    1. Petition by
      David McOwen
      Indianapolis, IN


6-1-2014

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...s-prices-increasing-despite-record-crude.aspx

Why Are Gas Prices Increasing Despite Record Crude Production?


Why talk about exporting crude oil when gasoline prices continue to rise, despite record domestic crude oil production and declining gasoline consumption?

Europe's thirst for diesel and the unrestricted exports of refined products are allowing 400,000 barrels of gasoline to be shipped from the United States every day.
 
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dmcowen674

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Of course I was right the beginning this year while the so called experts and the Oil Thug supporters in here wrong as usual.

6-3-2014

http://247wallst.com/energy-economy/2014/06/02/aaa-sees-high-summer-gas-prices/

AAA Sees High Summer Gas Prices



Now that the Memorial Day holiday is behind us and the summer driving season is “officially” underway, AAA is warning motorists that gasoline prices are expected to remain high this summer and predicting national average prices in the range of $3.55 to $3.70 a gallon. Last summer the range for a gallon of regular gas ran from $3.47 to $3.67.

The AAA’s average price assumes that there are no major disruptions to refineries during the summer, that global politics do not get worse and that the hurricane season that started on Sunday will not be too harsh.

AAA notes that gasoline prices often rise slightly between July 4 and the end of August, the height of the summer driving season. Gasoline prices are starting this summer’s driving season about seven cents higher than a year ago

Drivers in 29 states are paying more today than they did a year ago, with the biggest differences in Pennsylvania (up 26 cents), South Carolina and Kentucky (both up 23 cents).

The five states with the highest current average gasoline prices are Hawaii ($4.36), California ($4.13), Alaska ($4.01), Ohio ($3.92) and Connecticut ($3.92).


 

desy

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"If it were possible for human beings to digest gasoline, a gallon would contain about 31,000 food calories -- the energy in a gallon of gasoline is equivalent to the energy in about 110 McDonalds hamburgers!"

Gas is still a bargain

http://www.aaronmchugh.com/2012/09/13/what-goes-into-the-cost-of-a-gallon-of-gasoline/

However my oil and gas stocks are up 84% since I purchase them when gas was $50 a barrel right after the crash in 08
 
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dmcowen674

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7-5-2014

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...bets-on-republican-senate-win.html?cmpid=yhoo

Energy Industry Placing Big Bets on Republican Senate Win





Energy companies are giving more to Republicans to help them win a U.S. Senate majority and counter President Barack Obama’s environmental agenda.

Electric utility political action committees have donated 63 percent of their cash this election cycle to Republican candidates.

Oil-and-gas company committees skew even more to Republicans. They’ve given 83 percent of their cash to the party’s Senate and House candidates so far

Employees of one company, Occidental Petroleum Corp. (OXY), have more than tripled donations to the Republicans’ Senate election fund from four years ago, at $94,800.
 

dmcowen674

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Of course I was right the beginning this year while the so called experts and the Oil Thug supporters in here wrong as usual.

6-3-2014

http://247wallst.com/energy-economy/2014/06/02/aaa-sees-high-summer-gas-prices/

AAA Sees High Summer Gas Prices



Now that the Memorial Day holiday is behind us and the summer driving season is “officially” underway, AAA is warning motorists that gasoline prices are expected to remain high this summer and predicting national average prices in the range of $3.55 to $3.70 a gallon. Last summer the range for a gallon of regular gas ran from $3.47 to $3.67.

The AAA’s average price assumes that there are no major disruptions to refineries during the summer, that global politics do not get worse and that the hurricane season that started on Sunday will not be too harsh.

AAA notes that gasoline prices often rise slightly between July 4 and the end of August, the height of the summer driving season. Gasoline prices are starting this summer’s driving season about seven cents higher than a year ago

Drivers in 29 states are paying more today than they did a year ago, with the biggest differences in Pennsylvania (up 26 cents), South Carolina and Kentucky (both up 23 cents).

The five states with the highest current average gasoline prices are Hawaii ($4.36), California ($4.13), Alaska ($4.01), Ohio ($3.92) and Connecticut ($3.92).



These idiots are already way wrong.

Gas jumped 20 cents today, now over $4. At $4.03 at most stations.

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Here is yet another Journalist completely clueless and wrong

http://nypost.com/2014/06/07/why-gas-prices-are-needlessly-expensive/

Why gas prices are needlessly expensive




If there’s any doubt that the summer driving season is upon us — despite the feeling that it snowed only two weeks ago — just look at the price at the pump.


With an average price already at $3.67 per gallon nationally, and at $3.96 here in New York City, it’s a real economic issue as well.


While most people know gas prices climb in summer, most believe it is a supply/demand issue, because we use more gas for car-filled vacations or beach staycations.
But the real culprit behind higher prices is the fact that summer gasoline is actually a different blend and more expensive to produce than winter gasoline. Summer gas is supposed to burn cleaner and be better for the environment, the EPA says.


But here’s the rub: Each year, typically in March, nearly 25 percent of the refineries have to shut down for one to four weeks to make the switchover.


So let’s get out the back of the envelope and figure this out.


Having 25 percent of the refineries shut down for an average of 2.5 weeks equals a nearly 10 percent cut in gas supply for that time period.


So let’s say that summer gas burns cleaner and is better for the environment.



Which Washington genius would want to halt production of 25 percent of our nation’s refineries for upward of half a month to go back to a “dirtier” gasoline in the fall? It makes no sense.



Why not leave the cleaner blend all year?


The biggest savings could come from building a few newer, more efficient major refineries, since the US has not built one since 1977.


Not only would that create thousands of well-paying jobs, it also would dramatically reduce the cost of gas.


Because there are 42 gallons in a barrel of gas, by adding 15 percent more refinery capacity, we could probably reduce our fuel costs by over 25 percent just because of the efficiencies of new refining technologies.


That reduction in gas prices would be 91 cents per gallon. Add to that the 10 cents saved by stopping the inefficient switchovers and, voilà, we are saving American consumers a $1.01 per gallon — or $135.85 billion per year.


Now that’s an energy policy.
 
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brianmanahan

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do you realize that if president obama's environmental agenda passes, gas will likely be more expensive, right?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by dmcowen674
These idiots are already way wrong.

Gas jumped 20 cents today, now over $4. At $4.03 at most stations.



Imagine that. CA has super high gas prices. I wonder what the cause could be????

Well, good thing that the national avg is still $3.69

I'm not in California, I'm in Indiana and so what about "National average", what does that have to do with anything.
 

cabri

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I'm not in California, I'm in Indiana and so what about "National average", what does that have to do with anything.

Rough having your own attitude in cherry picking info pushed back in your face. :colbert:

Similar to finding one place that is price gouging premium and claiming that the price is your baseline.
 

realibrad

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Originally Posted by dmcowen674
These idiots are already way wrong.

Gas jumped 20 cents today, now over $4. At $4.03 at most stations.





I'm not in California, I'm in Indiana and so what about "National average", what does that have to do with anything.

So basic math means that if the avg is 3.7, and your area is 4, then there must be many places below 3.7. The bottom price cant be 3.7, as that is not how math works.

So sucks for you that gas is so high, but perhaps, its not the doom and gloom you make it out to be. Maybe, just maybe that where supply and demand meet in your area is different than in other areas. Maybe...
 

MagickMan

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So basic math means that if the avg is 3.7, and your area is 4, then there must be many places below 3.7. The bottom price cant be 3.7, as that is not how math works.

So sucks for you that gas is so high, but perhaps, its not the doom and gloom you make it out to be. Maybe, just maybe that where supply and demand meet in your area is different than in other areas. Maybe...

You can't argue with a person as stupid as McOwned, he'll only drag you down into his idiocy with him.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Is there a place in NJ that actually sells 100% gasoline without the 10% ethanol? Can I just use an ethanol stabilizer to counter effect it?

Just to add more fuel to the fire.

The joys of ethanol. Turns out it creates more ground level ozone then regular gasoline in many cases. A recent published study in centered around the effect of ethanol use in San Paulo, Brazil that was published about 2 months ago provided evidence that ethanol use in either pure or blended form ended up increasing ozone levels then just burning regular gasoline.

www.scientificamerican.com

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2009/december14/ozone-ethanol-health-121409.html
 
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