2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[Zaap]

I was talking about it as a basis for comparison. He then decided to add in several extra people into his requirements for a good life, which would then mean that potentially one might alter their income requirements.

Why would it matter if household income was mentioned earlier for an entirely different purpose?

LOL! Attempting to move the goalpost... YOU set in the first place!

Now THAT'S the eskimospy-level spin we've all come to expect.

Good show! Hilarious!

 

[fskimospy]

LOL! Attempting to move the goalpost... YOU set in the first place!

Now THAT'S the eskimospy-level spin we've all come to expect.

Good show! Hilarious!

What the hell are you talking about. Do you even know what spin is?

I said they made a lot because they individually made more than most entire households, which often involve two income earners.

You then added in all the requirements of a household, including additional members, paying for college for others, etc.

Logic then dictates of you're doing that you accept the possibility of the police officer's household having two incomes.

This is not at all complicated or even interesting. How is it that you have so much trouble grasping basic concepts?

 

[Zaap]

And see? This is what I mean about how you take something that's obviously a fuckup on your part, then post the equivalent of "NUH UH!" and try to spin it as exactly the opposite!

Like we can't all go back and see that your post #252 precedes mine #254. Like it wasn't someone else that pointed it out to you in the first place.

Nope, just insist THE OPPOSITE, yell "NUH UH!" and then continue right on with your bullshit, like no one will notice. It's amazingly dumb, yet it's pretty much all you ever do.

 

[shady28]

Except he is completely right on the money. You are willfully ignoring the issue of the cost of living in cities like NYC. For example 90k in SF is like earning 60k in Stockton, CA raising costs of living effects on wages are very real in cities like NYC and SF and big points when discussing wages, over-time pay, tax hikes, added regulatory costs, etcs.

And you're ignoring what people actually make in those areas. In NYC the median household income is 55K. I lived in orange county and the median there was 60k. These are only 10 and 20% above the national average, even though the cost of living multiplier is 1.5x - 1.9x average in these areas. People make a choice to live there because they like the culture and environment, and they pay accordingly. Why would cops get a huge adjustment when the people paying their salary via taxation just slog through with a 10 or 20% above median income? Why would cops have double their income?

And in point of fact, across the country the median income for an individual worker in the USA was $28k in 2013. An individual beat cop / patrol cop (non supervisor) has a median of 58K. That means a cop makes 207% of what the average worker in this country makes.

In other words, it isn't just NYC where cops are vastly overpaid.

 

[TreVader]

I'm struggling to see what median household income in NYC has to do with the assassinations

 

[Nebor]

Can we spin a cost of living post off of this one?

 

[Subyman]

LOL! Attempting to move the goalpost... YOU set in the first place!

Now THAT'S the eskimospy-level spin we've all come to expect.

Good show! Hilarious!

Easy to get eskimospy going lol.

 

[fskimospy]

And see? This is what I mean about how you take something that's obviously a fuckup on your part, then post the equivalent of "NUH UH!" and try to spin it as exactly the opposite!

Like we can't all go back and see that your post #252 precedes mine #254. Like it wasn't someone else that pointed it out to you in the first place.

Nope, just insist THE OPPOSITE, yell "NUH UH!" and then continue right on with your bullshit, like no one will notice. It's amazingly dumb, yet it's pretty much all you ever do.

It is amazing how you have so much trouble understanding simple concepts.

It is pretty funny to watch you become ever more enraged as people make fun of you for it though.

 

[shady28]

Maybe its because the vast majority of them are fine, they mostly get paid like shit, and yet aren't supported but are still called on to protect fucktards like you who wish even innocent ones will die to satiate your views.

This is how the last 6 pages of this thread started. That's been repeatedly proven to be a lie.

 

[emperus]

Are we talking 90k take-home AFTER taxes? In a state with zero state taxes (say TX for example) you're taking at least 10% less before we even get to cost-of-living differences.
90k in much of California after taxes and with COL factored in probably is like living on 50k other places.

And to move the argument up to "anywhere in the world" is just stupid.

I find a lot of people on this board argue things that shouldn't even be debatable. You're talking about a wage that is probably around 2x the national median and ur saying that that is too low? What would you consider a comfortable wage in NY then?

Others in this thread have giving you the figures. Go review them.

Edit: The New York median Income is 58,000.. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36000.html
Here goes the average incomes for most New York counties: http://data.newsday.com/long-island/data/business/personal-income/

 

[LegendKiller]

You are wrong. IIRC, you used to live on the West Side, 60s. There's a Western Beef right there. I live in Chelsea and my wife goes to Trader Joes on 6th Avenue. Not expensive at all (place is popular). I also go on many mini vacations up and down the east coast every couple of months with my family. Prices are the same, more or less. The only place where prices are cheap is Walmart (NYC needs one and then we'll be good). NYC has plenty of boutique food joints if you want to pay through the nose (we just paid over $50 for tea at Harney and Sons). But there are many other places that are priced competitively with the rest of America.

I lived in the 60s too, 61st and WE to be exact, in a brand new building. You know what was cool about Western Beef? It was great until my wife was in the store when this happened...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/didn-kill-beau-article-1.237402

Never went back again. After that we just ZipCar'd out to Hackensack to the Costco and stocked up there, otherwise just had groceries delivered, Gristedes was too much.

 

[LegendKiller]

I find a lot of people on this board argue things that shouldn't even be debatable. You're talking about a wage that is probably around 2x the national median and ur saying that that is too low? What would you consider a comfortable wage in NY then?

Others in this thread have giving you the figures. Go review them.

Edit: The New York median Income is 58,000.. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36000.html
Here goes the average incomes for most New York counties: http://data.newsday.com/long-island/data/business/personal-income/

Again, you talk about the "median" but really have no idea. Living in NYC on 90k is nothing great. I know people who make that and make a lot of compromises to do it. I knew 3 officers in suburbs that decided to be firefighters instead. Why? Because dealing with the dregs of society for 8-10 hour shifts sucks, especially when everybody thinks your a racist jackbooted thug who is out to kill "innocent" people and your mayor throws you under the bus at every chance he can get.

 

[Nebor]

Again, you talk about the "median" but really have no idea. Living in NYC on 90k is nothing great. I know people who make that and make a lot of compromises to do it. I knew 3 officers in suburbs that decided to be firefighters instead. Why? Because dealing with the dregs of society for 8-10 hour shifts sucks, especially when everybody thinks your a racist jackbooted thug who is out to kill "innocent" people and your mayor throws you under the bus at every chance he can get.

Well, that and firefighters do far less actual work. There's a reason that there's a huge waiting list to be a firefighter at virtually every fire department in the country. Sweet job with sweet benefits and a fat retirement.

 

[TreVader]

90k is enough to live comfortably anywhere in america, most of my friends in their late 20s with advanced degrees make between 70 and 100. These are people with Ph.Ds, MBAs, M.D.s. Why is some fat porker cop with a highschool diploma pulling equal pay to doctor is residency? Or a fucking mathematics professor at a top 20 university?






You are arguing bullshit with this "90k isn't enough" line. Cops are paid WAY more than they are worth.


I cannot think of a single instance where a cop has helped me with anything. I have been pulled over and ticketed several times tho! Funny how even as an ostensibly white male dressed professionally I STILL have no interaction with the police that isn't a nuisance. I get that the protecting is implicit, but where is the serving? Besides earning money for the state?

 

[WelshBloke]

And see? This is what I mean about how you take something that's obviously a fuckup on your part, then post the equivalent of "NUH UH!" and try to spin it as exactly the opposite!

Like we can't all go back and see that your post #252 precedes mine #254. Like it wasn't someone else that pointed it out to you in the first place.

Nope, just insist THE OPPOSITE, yell "NUH UH!" and then continue right on with your bullshit, like no one will notice. It's amazingly dumb, yet it's pretty much all you ever do.

Wut?

Are you so desperate to try to "Gotcha!" him that you cant see the point he's making? It wasn't a particularly difficult to grasp point either.

 

[Darwin333]

Are we talking 90k take-home AFTER taxes? In a state with zero state taxes (say TX for example) you're taking at least 10% less before we even get to cost-of-living differences.
90k in much of California after taxes and with COL factored in probably is like living on 50k other places.

And to move the argument up to "anywhere in the world" is just stupid.

Shrug, if you make twice the median household or a full double of whatever the fuck metric you want to use then everyone else in your area, you ain't doing bad. I'd assume that most reasonable people could agree on that...

If not, how many times more than the average person or household (does it even matter since we are talking about ONE person earning $90K a year and not a household, comparing it to median household income makes the numbers look that much better for the cops) do you have to make before you consider yourself "not bad", how many times more than the average for "good" and how many times more for "great"?

 

[Blanky]

A single person on their own, sure. Married, with kids (automatically means an actual nice school district, which automatically means $$$$$) living right, no.

True. 90k is a pretty decent income In most of the country but pretty much anywhere it can be chewed up very fast by a middle class family, and in pricey parts of the city it is nothing particularly great.

I don't believe beat cops are worth $90k personally.

I am somewhat regretful taking part in the insane hijacking this thread has now suffered, though. These arguments about how much money is good or great or whatever are without fail endless and accomplish nothing and always come back again later.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Al Sharpton is very upset about this because it might make him look bad. How tragic.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oops this one ran out of bullets.

 

[who?]

Now it's being reported that the gunman had killed his girlfriend yesterday as well.

He shot not killed his girlfriend.
His family told ABC news that he had a history of undiagnosed mental illness.

 

[Blanky]

Oops this one ran out of bullets.

Wtf! Not only was the guy an obvious idiot but that also hints at probable caution on the part of the cops to let it get that far.

 

[IGBT]

no doubt there is any number of border line liberal kooks who listen to sharpton / jackson / holder / obama who will practice the usual liberal selective indignation and will conspire and implement acts of violence against police or others and justify their violence with the anti police agenda set forth by the aforementioned leaders / community activists / willing accomplices in the liberal media. All the while completely ignoring the black on black genocide taking place every day in the most liberal of liberal cities and states run entirely by liberal governors and mayors.

 

[ivwshane]

no doubt there is any number of border line liberal kooks who listen to sharpton / jackson / holder / obama who will practice the usual liberal selective indignation and will conspire and implement acts of violence against police or others and justify their violence with the anti police agenda set forth by the aforementioned leaders / community activists / willing accomplices in the liberal media. All the while completely ignoring the black on black genocide taking place every day in the most liberal of liberal cities and states run entirely by liberal governors and mayors.

Gotta love the, "bbbb but look at the other guys, they are worse!" mentality of the blame "anyone but my team" bubble dwellers.

I think you managed to hit every right wing rage generator with that post! Good boy!

 

[Darwin333]

Again, you talk about the "median" but really have no idea. Living in NYC on 90k is nothing great. I know people who make that and make a lot of compromises to do it. I knew 3 officers in suburbs that decided to be firefighters instead. Why? Because dealing with the dregs of society for 8-10 hour shifts sucks, especially when everybody thinks your a racist jackbooted thug who is out to kill "innocent" people and your mayor throws you under the bus at every chance he can get.

So...... he made the same life decisions about his choice of employment as the rest of us do??? Oh the horror.

I don't like the smell of shit. I've known this pretty much all of my life so I've never even considered cleaning porto-lets for a living. Other than the boo-hoo crap about the mayor "throwing them under the bus" (because gang bangers are notorious for keeping up to date on the bullshit some local politician says), they either knew the job going in or are too ignorant to hold the job.

Seriously, I posted a story in this thread about a cop being caught planting drugs on people to meet quota and then he testifies that this is something that is widespread and done up and down the chain of command. How comfortable are you truly encountering cops that have an even 10% chance of planting drugs on you just so they can meet their quota? That is just ONE of the scandals the NYPD has dealt with lately.

 

[pcgeek11]

Don't be such an asshole about this, man. Blacks make up 10% of the US population but they're responsible for 48% of all police deaths. Yes, the kills are not equal but it's not like both sides are equally armed. Also, when one side does it he's seen as a fallen hero, when the other side does it he's a thug and gets 25 to life.

It should be the electric chair, regardless of the color. That way there would be no repeat offenders.