2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[Nebor]

I sure as hell wouldn't want to attempt it in Los Angeles.

You could live in virtually any part of LA on $90k a year.

 

[fskimospy]

I sure as hell wouldn't want to attempt it in Los Angeles.

The median household income in LA county is about $56k. That means probably somewhere around 70% of the city is doing just that.

 

[Subyman]

The median household income in LA county is about $56k. That means probably somewhere around 70% of the city is doing just that.

Yup, McDonald's #2 is still $5 no matter where you live. 70% of the US is good to go.

 

[Zaap]

Just because people do it, doesn't mean I want to. This city is fucking expensive.

Sure, you can just scrape by. Most people complain they have no savings (let alone a retirement/proper college funds for their kids, etc.) and are living paycheck to paycheck, slaves to some shitty job, and all the usual bullshit. I'm not interested in living that way, neither are a lot of people. In this expensive fucking shithole of a city, it costs a lot of jack to live well. (I wouldn't want to 'just survive' in uber-expensive shitholes like SF or NYC either.)

 

[Darwin333]

This is the fucking problem.

99% of cops are fine.

In testimony obtained by the New York Daily News, former narcotics detective Stephen Anderson said he was doing a favour for fellow officer Henry Tavarez, who was behind on drug arrests.
The News reported that Mr Anderson admitted to giving Tavarez the drugs he allegedly planted to bust the Colon brothers.

Mr Anderson said: 'Tavarez was ... was worried about getting sent back [to patrol] and, you know, the supervisors getting on his case.'
He added: 'I had decided to give [Tavarez] the drugs to help him out so that he could say he had a buy.'

The NYPD did not respond to requests by the Daily News for comment.
Further testimony by Mr Anderson indicated that the scandal went up and down the ranks.
He said: 'It was something I was seeing a lot of, whether it was from supervisors or undercovers and even investigators.'
Anderson also testified that there was a 'no remorse' attitude about what the officers were up to.
'It's almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they're going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway.'

You might want to check your math on that....

 

[fskimospy]

Just because people do it, doesn't mean I want to. This city is fucking expensive.

Sure, you can just scrape by. Most people complain they have no savings (let alone a retirement/proper college funds for their kids, etc.) and are living paycheck to paycheck, slaves to some shitty job, and all the usual bullshit. I'm not interested in living that way, neither are a lot of people. In this expensive fucking shithole of a city, it costs a lot of jack to live well. (I wouldn't want to 'just survive' in uber-expensive shitholes like SF or NYC either.)

If you are making $90k in LA and you can't put away savings and are living paycheck to paycheck you are doing something wrong. The city is more expensive than the US average, but it's easy to put away savings while making $90k in NYC and NYC is much more expensive than LA.

 

[Zaap]

If you are making $90k in LA and you can't put away savings and are living paycheck to paycheck you are doing something wrong. The city is more expensive than the US average, but it's easy to put away savings while making $90k in NYC and NYC is much more expensive than LA.

A single person on their own, sure. Married, with kids (automatically means an actual nice school district, which automatically means $$$$$) living right, no.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Except he is laughably wrong. If you make $90k in NYC you can live a very comfortable life, particularly without student loans. (even with them you would be totally fine though)

I asked him to answer this question but he didn't. Maybe you can help? If someone making twice the median household income and three times the median individual income for an area is not doing ok, then what would constitute doing ok?

Apparently $90k a year for someone with a high school diploma or an associates and 5 years in is far too little so what should it be? $120k? $150k? It never ceases to amaze me much 'fiscal conservatives' like government spending when it's on groups they like. Imagine if we said that teachers in NYC should be paid $90k after 5 years with only a high school diploma. You guys would lose your minds.

I'm not contesting whether or not they "Earned" their salary. I am just pointing out that cost of living is indeed a factor in salaries and wages for any given area when comparing them to other places with much lower costs of living. Which also involves being able to attract suitable candidates to fill any employment position (public or private) and this is especially true if you want or expect them to actually live in the area where they work.

For which the high cost of living is directly correlated to the level of government services, regulation, taxation, etc that pushes up the price of everything else. So if you are upset about cops "earning too much" than look at WHY they do, i.e. as a result of NYC government using them to enforce all the shit you want but somehow would rather not pay for them (police officers) to do so in the end because you dislike them.

In other words:

It never ceases to amaze me much 'fiscal leftists' hate government spending when it's on groups they dislike to enforce the taxes, regulations, mandates, etc THEY voted to push and enforce such as ludicrously high cigarette taxes.

What did you think was going to happen when you voted to have big NYC government provide you with all those feature comforts you desire? Do you seriously think you'd get more of what you wanted and less of what you didn't like? LOL

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not contesting whether or not they "Earned" their salary just pointing out that cost of living is indeed a factor in salaries and wages for a given area. Which involves being able to attract suitable candidates to fill any employment position and you expect them to actually live in the city where they work.

Especially when discussing the differences in wages/salaries for a given area, for which the high cost of living is directly correlated to the level of government services, regulation, taxation, etc that push up the price of everything else. So if you are upset about cops "earning too much" than look at WHY they do, i.e.a result of government using them to enforce all the shit you want but somehow would rather not pay for them to do so in the end because you dislike them.

In other words:

"It never ceases to amaze me much 'fiscal leftists' hate government spending when it's on groups they dislike."

What did you think was going to happen when you voted to have government provide you with all those feature comforts? Do you seriously think you'd get more of what you wanted and less of what you didn't like? LOL

Did you even read the thread? I never argued that cops were paid too much, Legendkiller argued that they were paid very little when that is clearly not the case. Somehow you got it in your head that the argument being had is the exact opposite of what was really going on.

Seems like we fiscal liberals are being quite consistent. Hopefully you guys decide to start following our lead.

Also, cost of living in NYC is almost entirely related to housing. Cost of government services? Not nearly so much.

 

[fskimospy]

A single person on their own, sure. Married, with kids (automatically means an actual nice school district, which automatically means $$$$$) living right, no.

So now we're moving into household income, which isn't an apples to apples comparison. This is a single person's salary.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Did you even read the thread? I never argued that cops were paid too much, Legendkiller argued that they were paid very little when that is clearly not the case. Somehow you got it in your head that the argument being had is the exact opposite of what was really going on.

Seems like we fiscal liberals are being quite consistent. Hopefully you guys decide to start following our lead.

Also, cost of living in NYC is almost entirely related to housing. Cost of government services? Not nearly so much.

You didn't read my post because I was not arguing that they were NOT being paid to much either. I was simply stating that cost of living absolutely matters in the discussion and that ignoring it is ignoring a important fact in such a discussion.

 

[Subyman]

So now we're moving into household income, which isn't an apples to apples comparison. This is a single person's salary.

You said household income in post number 252.

 

[fskimospy]

You said household income in post number 252.

What's your point? I was showing how much higher an individual's salary was than entire households in LA.

 

[fskimospy]

You didn't read my post because I was not arguing that they were NOT being paid to much either. I was simply stating that cost of living absolutely matters in the discussion and that ignoring it is ignoring a important fact in such a discussion.

If you're saying that he was correct in noting cost of living differences but completely wrong in trying to argue that $90k was not enough to live comfortably in NYC than we are on the same page!

 

[Subyman]

What's your point? I was showing how much higher an individual's salary was than entire households in LA.

You said "So now we are moving into household income?", when you had already moved into household income.

 

[bshole]

Lol. Garner's family shows more class than the cops who disrespected the mayor of New York. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/eric-garners-mother-widow-denounce-killing-nypd-officers-n272706

The widow and mother of Eric Garner, the New York man who died after he was put in a chokehold by police, on Sunday denounced the ambush killing of two police officers the day before. "Anyone who's standing with us, we want you to not use Eric Garner's name for violence because we are not about that," Garner's mother, Gwen Carr, told reporters. "I'm standing here in sorrow about losing those two police officers."

 

[Darwin333]

Nice to see the thread has devolved down to arguing about what the Police in NYC are paid. Waaah, they make more than me!

How many mechanical engineers are required to make traffic stops at 2 AM not knowing if the person in the car they are approaching is armed and/or has a hard-on for their profession and would just as soon kill them?

How many mechanical engineers have to interact day in and day out with the dregs of society while keeping an upbeat attitude because the haters of their profession are constantly watching in an attempt to get them disciplined or fired?

How many mechanical engineers have to show up at crime scenes where the husband has killed the wife, the kids and then himself and they walk in on the situation not knowing whether the bad guy is still inside gunning for him? Then, once they know that they themselves are not in danger they get to deal with the trauma of dead kids, blood and brains everywhere and then go home at the end of the shift and pretend none of it had any effect on them?

How many engineers are faced with child abuse cases where the child has been given back to the parent numerous times only to be beaten yet again to the point where the child no longer trusts anybody?

How many engineers are faced with hostage situations where they need to try and keep the hostages alive while neutralizing the perp all while not contaminating a crime scene and not stepping over behavioral boundaries that are ever-changing and that will more than likely result in them being torn a new one at the trial by the defense attorney who is being paid for by the same people who pay him?

How many engineers are required to show up at accident scenes where a drunk driver that has no license has plowed head on into a van with a family of six on their way out of town for Thanksgiving and the whole family is mangled almost beyond recognition that they were once human beings and the only child that survived the crash dies before his eyes bleeding to death while trapped in the wreckage?

How many engineers are publicly called out by their boss who tells the world that they are not to be trusted and are then expected to treat that boss with respect?

Some people in our society choose to do the jobs the majority of the people don't want to do. Not everybody gets to work behind a desk in an air-conditioned office and berate those that do the above tasks and far more that I haven't touched on.

They make more than me! I have never before referred to anyone here as a piece of shit but that changed with this post.

Awwwwwww, cry me a fucking river.

My roofers have a harder job, a FAR more dangerous job, don't get paid anything close to 90K a year and they don't get all kinds of uber awesome perks like being able to blatantly break the law or state sponsored pensions to pay them for life and are often gamed to be much larger than they should. If they do side work on their own time and something happens, it's their problem not mine/the company.

Where is the sympathy for them? There isn't nor should there be, they knew what they were getting into when they signed up to be a roofer. If they didn't, even though they should have, they learned very quickly.

Everyone wants to get paid more so I understand that but please STFU about how hard XYZ job is. Don't like it or can't handle it then turn in your damn badge and do something else. I've hired plenty of people that have came up to me after a few days/weeks, thanked me for the opportunity, shook my hand and said that this line of work wasn't for them. They didn't bitch and moan about the work, they went and did something else.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Lol. Garner's family shows more class than the cops who disrespected the mayor of New York. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/eric-garners-mother-widow-denounce-killing-nypd-officers-n272706

They have no respect for the mayor because they believe they as police officers have been thrown under the bus by De Blasio and his administration over the past few weeks so that he could score some political points at their expense.

 

[Subyman]

It is a little early for the police to be pointing fingers at the mayor though. At least get the cops buried before slinging trash at each other.

 

[emperus]

Except he is completely right on the money. You are willfully ignoring the issue of the cost of living in cities like NYC. For example 90k in SF is like earning 60k in Stockton, CA raising costs of living effects on wages are very real in cities like NYC and SF and big points when discussing wages, over-time pay, tax hikes, added regulatory costs, etcs.

I'll say it again. If you're job is paying you 90k US you are ok anywhere in the world (I'll even broaden it for you) even when you offset for cost of living. If you aren't comfortable on 90k then you can blame the choices you have decided to make.

If we were arguing 50k, I could understand the debate but at 90k? Please, it isn't even debatable point and those doing it are being purposefully obtuse.

 

[Zaap]

You said "So now we are moving into household income?", when you had already moved into household income.

His spin got away from him. I'm used to it, nothing new.

 

[Zaap]

If we were arguing 50k, I could understand the debate but at 90k? Please, it isn't even debatable point and those doing it are being purposefully obtuse.

Are we talking 90k take-home AFTER taxes? In a state with zero state taxes (say TX for example) you're taking at least 10% less before we even get to cost-of-living differences.
90k in much of California after taxes and with COL factored in probably is like living on 50k other places.

And to move the argument up to "anywhere in the world" is just stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

You said "So now we are moving into household income?", when you had already moved into household income.

I was talking about it as a basis for comparison. He then decided to add in several extra people into his requirements for a good life, which would then mean that potentially one might alter their income requirements.

Why would it matter if household income was mentioned earlier for an entirely different purpose?

 

[theeedude]

The thug who choked Eric Garner, do you think he has employment options over $40K if he wasn't a cop? Best case scenario for him is he'd be a bouncer or rent-a-cop, but private employers actually give a damn about getting sued, so he'd be on a pretty short leash there. Most other occupations, he'd be considered negative headcount. There really isn't a reason to pay someone like that $90K.

 

[lotus503]

if there is a hell I hope dude is burning in it.