2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[DCal430]

i believe the $90,is "total compensation". it is not typical to use total compensation as an expectation of salary...at least at any job ive been too. I believeit tops at $76k after 6 years unless its changed recently.


Many states are nowhere near that in cop pay.

You're a liar, the base salary of everyone above a detective tops out at well over 100,000, in fact the minimum BASE salary of a Lt and Cpt are all over 100,000 now.

LIAR

Also the the 90K is total pay before overtime, it doens't include benefitsm, but it does include allowances.

 

[Baasha]

lol.. two blacks get killed by white cops.. so black kills mexican and chinese cop to avenge them?

something doesn't fit the narrative here..

 

[Nebor]

Your a liar, the base salary of everyone above a detective tops out at well over 100,000, in fact the minimum BASE salary of a Lt and Cpt are all over 100,000 now.

LIAR

A police LT (in NYC of all places) has a lot of responsibility. He has people under his command. He is responsible for everything they do or fail to do. An LT of detectives is expected to produce a certain amount of case closures every month. A patrol LT has to answer the hard questions like, "Why did your guys choke someone to death?"

 

[ivwshane]

lol.. two blacks get killed by white cops.. so black kills mexican and chinese cop to avenge them?

something doesn't fit the narrative here..

That would be your narrative not fitting the issue.

Let me hep you:

Two blacks get killed by cops.. so fed up citizen kills cop to avenge them?

 

[Rakehellion]

lol.. two blacks get killed by white cops.. so black kills mexican and chinese cop to avenge them?

something doesn't fit the narrative here..

Why make it about race?

 

[Rakehellion]

A patrol LT has to answer the hard questions like, "Why did your guys choke someone to death?"

Cop: "I dunno, lol!"

Judge: "Case dismissed!"

 

[master_shake_]

Cop: "I dunno, lol!"

Judge: "Case dismissed!"

So sad that it is true.

When will they police the police?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Cop: "I dunno, lol!"

Judge: "Case dismissed!"

Wait now, he wasn't choked to death. He died from the lack of oxygen due to his health.

 

[Dari]

So sad that it is true.

When will they police the police?

I think what the governor proposed is pretty smart. When it comes to cases against police, the state AG should handle it, not local prosecutors who have a working relationship with police. State AG is far away for this to work but any further and we're talking federal oversight, which states will not like.

 

[her209]

Wait now, he wasn't choked to death. He died from the lack of oxygen due to his health.

He didn't have that problem until he was choked.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He didn't have that problem until he was choked.

Oh, so you're a fortune teller now?!?! He could've dropped dead any minute.

(My post was sarcastic)

 

[emperus]

wow...do you have any fucking idea what you're talking about?

Have you ever lived in NYC?

Go buy shit tickets at Gristides and you'll find out that 90k in Iowa is not the same as 90k in NYC.

Want to buy a modest house in somewhere nice like Fairfield co CT and commute into work? That's 500k minimum. Even in Stamford a 2br apartment is $2,500/mo. Try doing that on a 90k salary.

What special skillset do you have that make you deal with the scum of the earth a lot of your day?

Do everybody a favor, next time you need a cop, don't bother calling. They don't do anything worthwhile anyway. Let them respond to people who actually give a shit about their skills.

If you are making 90k, you are doing ok anywhere in this country. Especially, if you are making that 90k without the debt of a College education or the time spent getting one.

Do you think they are underpaid? How much do you think they should make? How much do teachers make in NY? Should cops make more?

What special skillset do cops have that make them worth 90k not including benefits?

Your argument is basically, if you demand accountability for a public worker, you shouldn't expect them to perform their job duties. It is a very emotional one as if you have a personal investment in it. I bet your dad or someone you are close to is a cop.

Edit: And honestly I think is quite ridiculous to even argue making 90k is not doing OK.

 

[Wuzup101]

I wouldn't work in/around NYC for 90k. That being said, NYC cops are compensated fairly. There is plenty of room for advancement / overtime and you can make well over that 90k (and have a great retirement / benefits).

 

[TreVader]

Cops in general make a ton relative to their skillset. Where else can somebody with only a highschool diploma be given a 90k/yr salary and 80%+ pension that is insanely defined as "80% of the most money you ever made in a single year, including all bonuses and maybe add some extra for fun"


Many times cops (and this applies to other government jobs) are given pensions that are double the average salary they earned, because in their final year they will work 10000x hrs overtime to skew the numbers.


If you are just an average moron getting payed 90k you are being payed that much because of risk. Guess what? One of the risks is that one of the crazy hoods you beat up umpteen times comes back and shoots your colleagues. That's risk, now you are actually earning your keep!


Be proud

 

[Subyman]

Both cops and the shooter were about to start college.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder where that $90K comes from as most police do not make that kind of money.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm

The median annual wage for police and detectives was $56,980 in May 2012.

 

[TreVader]

Both cops and the shooter were about to start college.

Really? Do they have like an ROTC for cops?


And the shooter... Well judging from his Twitter feed he wasn't going to make the cut at Yale. Maybe Brown?

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder where that $90K comes from as most police do not make that kind of money.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm

From the NYPD recruiting site?

http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview

 

[DucatiMonster696]

If you are making 90k, you are doing ok anywhere in this country. Especially, if you are making that 90k without the debt of a College education or the time spent getting one.

Do you think they are underpaid? How much do you think they should make? How much do teachers make in NY? Should cops make more?

What special skillset do cops have that make them worth 90k not including benefits?

Your argument is basically, if you demand accountability for a public worker, you shouldn't expect them to perform their job duties. It is a very emotional one as if you have a personal investment in it. I bet your dad or someone you are close to is a cop.

Edit: And honestly I think is quite ridiculous to even argue making 90k is not doing OK.

Except he is completely right on the money. You are willfully ignoring the issue of the cost of living in cities like NYC. For example 90k in SF is like earning 60k in Stockton, CA raising costs of living effects on wages are very real in cities like NYC and SF and big points when discussing wages, over-time pay, tax hikes, added regulatory costs, etcs.

 

[TreVader]

From the NYPD recruiting site?



http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview

Funny I read through and I couldn't find "License to Kill" in the list of benefits!




You would think they'd advertise that, right? And for the nypd "all the black people you can frisk!"

 

[fskimospy]

Except he is completely right on the money. You are willfully ignoring the issue of the cost of living in cities like NYC. For example 90k in SF is like earning 60k in Stockton, CA.

Except he is laughably wrong. If you make $90k in NYC you can live a very comfortable life, particularly without student loans. (even with them you would be totally fine though)

I asked him to answer this question but he didn't. Maybe you can help? If someone making twice the median household income and three times the median individual income for an area is not doing ok, then what would constitute doing ok?

Apparently $90k a year for someone with a high school diploma or an associates and 5 years in is far too little so what should it be? $120k? $150k? It never ceases to amaze me much 'fiscal conservatives' like government spending when it's on groups they like. Imagine if we said that teachers in NYC should be paid $90k after 5 years with only a high school diploma. You guys would lose your minds.

 

[Baasha]

That would be your narrative not fitting the issue.

Let me hep you:

Two blacks get killed by cops.. so fed up citizen kills cop to avenge them?

It ain't my narrative; it's the narrative of both sides. One thinks the other side consists of only criminals and hooligans while that side thinks the cops are out to 'get them.'

The narrative was that of racism and racial insensitivity towards blacks by white cops.

Shooting two minority cops does not make any sense if it was vendetta for the Brown/Garner deaths.

That is like saying the shithead who shot those Sikhs in Wisconsin was justified because Sikhs look like Muslims when his actual hatred was towards the latter group.

Of course, that is not to say the crime should have been committed against some other group and/or person.

Why make it about race?

This whole thing has been about race; white cops killing black men.

This chimp who shot the two innocent cops who were Mexican & Chinese, respectively, fails to make any point other than 'hate all cops.'

This crime is unpardonable but was rather inevitable with the bigger picture; white cop kills black man, thug or no thug, and does not get indicted.

Given this country's long history of racial violence, slavery, and injustice towards blacks, the institutional mechanisms in place to supposedly protect "all" citizens have failed in the eyes of many.

Sooner or later, some loony was going to take that the wrong way and do the unspeakable, which happened yesterday.

Too many people are myopic and don't see the bigger picture - cops cannot police themselves - an 'internal investigation' is an oxymoron. Unless there are institutional changes where an external agency investigates any and all supposed transgressions by law enforcement, public trust of the LE community will continue to sink.

The DoJ Civil Rights attorney Vanita Gupta states eloquently that the U.S. Criminal Justice system "has too often focused on vengeance and punishment and racial suspicion rather than on crime prevention, restitution for victims and the social and economic reintegration of released prisoners into our communities so that they do not turn to crime again.”




Calling a black man a chimp?

Your racist talk has no place on our forums.




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[Nebor]

The cost of living in NYC is approximately 28% higher than the average in the nation, so all you guys shouting that $90k isn't enough to buy ramen in the city can stop.

 

[TreVader]

It ain't my narrative; it's the narrative of both sides. One thinks the other side consists of only criminals and hooligans while that side thinks the cops are out to 'get them.'



The narrative was that of racism and racial insensitivity towards blacks by white cops.



Shooting two minority cops does not make any sense if it was vendetta for the Brown/Garner deaths.



That is like saying the shithead who shot those Sikhs in Wisconsin was justified because Sikhs look like Muslims when his actual hatred was towards the latter group.



Of course, that is not to say the crime should have been committed against some other group and/or person.







This whole thing has been about race; white cops killing black men.



This chimp who shot the two innocent cops who were Mexican & Chinese, respectively, fails to make any point other than 'hate all cops.'



This crime is unpardonable but was rather inevitable with the bigger picture; white cop kills black man, thug or no thug, and does not get indicted.



Given this country's long history of racial violence, slavery, and injustice towards blacks, the institutional mechanisms in place to supposedly protect "all" citizens have failed in the eyes of many.



Sooner or later, some loony was going to take that the wrong way and do the unspeakable, which happened yesterday.



Too many people are myopic and don't see the bigger picture - cops cannot police themselves - an 'internal investigation' is an oxymoron. Unless there are institutional changes where an external agency investigates any and all supposed transgressions by law enforcement, public trust of the LE community will continue to sink.



The DoJ Civil Rights attorney Vanita Gupta states eloquently that the U.S. Criminal Justice system "has too often focused on vengeance and punishment and racial suspicion rather than on crime prevention, restitution for victims and the social and economic reintegration of released prisoners into our communities so that they do not turn to crime again.”

I see you refer to him as a "Chimp"?




Fuck you, it's racist little shits like you and that kid that caused all these murders.

 

[Zaap]

If you are making 90k, you are doing ok anywhere in this country.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to attempt it in Los Angeles.