2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[LegendKiller]

How about when cops murder a 12 year old? I'm sure you are fine with it because to you, its one less black person.
How about John Crawford? What part of black culture got him killed? Oh right, racist white people did. People like you cheered it on too, because you feel like he deserved it.

Imagine that, your career can be ended by killing someone without cause or beating someone for no reason, why what a travesty. I can't believe we have to hold these paragons of virtue to rules like that.

Both of them waving guns, or realistic looking bb guns, around in a threatening manner. Don't be stupid with guns.

 

[CitizenKain]

Nice to see the thread has devolved down to arguing about what the Police in NYC are paid. Waaah, they make more than me!

How many mechanical engineers are required to make traffic stops at 2 AM not knowing if the person in the car they are approaching is armed and/or has a hard-on for their profession and would just as soon kill them?

How many mechanical engineers have to interact day in and day out with the dregs of society while keeping an upbeat attitude because the haters of their profession are constantly watching in an attempt to get them disciplined or fired?

How many mechanical engineers have to show up at crime scenes where the husband has killed the wife, the kids and then himself and they walk in on the situation not knowing whether the bad guy is still inside gunning for him? Then, once they know that they themselves are not in danger they get to deal with the trauma of dead kids, blood and brains everywhere and then go home at the end of the shift and pretend none of it had any effect on them?

How many engineers are faced with child abuse cases where the child has been given back to the parent numerous times only to be beaten yet again to the point where the child no longer trusts anybody?

How many engineers are faced with hostage situations where they need to try and keep the hostages alive while neutralizing the perp all while not contaminating a crime scene and not stepping over behavioral boundaries that are ever-changing and that will more than likely result in them being torn a new one at the trial by the defense attorney who is being paid for by the same people who pay him?

How many engineers are required to show up at accident scenes where a drunk driver that has no license has plowed head on into a van with a family of six on their way out of town for Thanksgiving and the whole family is mangled almost beyond recognition that they were once human beings and the only child that survived the crash dies before his eyes bleeding to death while trapped in the wreckage?

How many engineers are publicly called out by their boss who tells the world that they are not to be trusted and are then expected to treat that boss with respect?

Some people in our society choose to do the jobs the majority of the people don't want to do. Not everybody gets to work behind a desk in an air-conditioned office and berate those that do the above tasks and far more that I haven't touched on.

They make more than me! I have never before referred to anyone here as a piece of shit but that changed with this post.

Well since no one was claiming that, good job inventing an argument no one was making.

 

[master_shake_]

Nice to see the thread has devolved down to arguing about what the Police in NYC are paid. Waaah, they make more than me!

How many mechanical engineers are required to make traffic stops at 2 AM not knowing if the person in the car they are approaching is armed and/or has a hard-on for their profession and would just as soon kill them?

How many mechanical engineers have to interact day in and day out with the dregs of society while keeping an upbeat attitude because the haters of their profession are constantly watching in an attempt to get them disciplined or fired?

How many mechanical engineers have to show up at crime scenes where the husband has killed the wife, the kids and then himself and they walk in on the situation not knowing whether the bad guy is still inside gunning for him? Then, once they know that they themselves are not in danger they get to deal with the trauma of dead kids, blood and brains everywhere and then go home at the end of the shift and pretend none of it had any effect on them?

How many engineers are faced with child abuse cases where the child has been given back to the parent numerous times only to be beaten yet again to the point where the child no longer trusts anybody?

How many engineers are faced with hostage situations where they need to try and keep the hostages alive while neutralizing the perp all while not contaminating a crime scene and not stepping over behavioral boundaries that are ever-changing and that will more than likely result in them being torn a new one at the trial by the defense attorney who is being paid for by the same people who pay him?

How many engineers are required to show up at accident scenes where a drunk driver that has no license has plowed head on into a van with a family of six on their way out of town for Thanksgiving and the whole family is mangled almost beyond recognition that they were once human beings and the only child that survived the crash dies before his eyes bleeding to death while trapped in the wreckage?

How many engineers are publicly called out by their boss who tells the world that they are not to be trusted and are then expected to treat that boss with respect?

Some people in our society choose to do the jobs the majority of the people don't want to do. Not everybody gets to work behind a desk in an air-conditioned office and berate those that do the above tasks and far more that I haven't touched on.

They make more than me! I have never before referred to anyone here as a piece of shit but that changed with this post.

you make it sound like they were MADE to be a police officer.

they knew what they were going to face as soon as they applied.

this type of shit didn't start when they started being cops.

Also how many cops are held responsible when they fuck up.

 

[mizzou]

90k in NYC? Wow, that'll buy you a great place on Staten Island. YAY!

Meanwhile, your career can be ended by shitbags bitching about "brutality" when you're simply doing your job or you just might get killed. Maybe you'll even run into a burning building to save an asshole like you and die for it.

i believe the $90,is "total compensation". it is not typical to use total compensation as an expectation of salary...at least at any job ive been too. I believeit tops at $76k after 6 years unless its changed recently.


Many states are nowhere near that in cop pay.

 

[master_shake_]

Both of them waving guns, or realistic looking bb guns, around in a threatening manner. Don't be stupid with guns.

show me the part on the john crawford video where he was waving the bb gun around.

spoiler alert!

HE DIDN'T MORON!

 

[CitizenKain]

Both of them waving guns, or realistic looking bb guns, around in a threatening manner. Don't be stupid with guns.

Lets see, one was 12 and essentially shot in a drive by. The other was shot in the back and not only wasn't pointing the gun at anyone, didn't even know there were cops there until they murdered him.

I mean, you know this if weren't bending over backwards to defend cops at every chance.

 

[fskimospy]

i believe the $90,is "total compensation". it is not typical to use total compensation as an expectation of salary...at least at any job ive been too. I believeit tops at $76k after 6 years unless its changed recently.


Many states are nowhere near that in cop pay.

Why would you not use the total compensation figure? The only part of it that I wouldn't include is the uniform allowance. The rest is holiday pay, longevity pay, etc. ie: money every cop gets in their paycheck. (health benefits are not included in total compensation)

Anyways, the statement was that NYPD officers are paid poorly. It is hard to see how that is the case in any way.

 

[her209]

How many mechanical engineers are required to make traffic stops at 2 AM not knowing if the person in the car they are approaching is armed and/or has a hard-on for their profession and would just as soon kill them?

You could say the same thing about bouncers who have to deal with unruly customers who may have a gun stashed in their car.

 

[shady28]

Maybe its because the vast majority of them are fine, they mostly get paid like shit, and yet aren't supported but are still called on to protect fucktards like you who wish even innocent ones will die to satiate your views.

You are completely full of shit, stop spouting lies.

The median overall compensation for a police officer in Brooklyn is $87,177, direct pay median is $61,629.

The average HOUSEHOLD income (typically 2 workers) in Brooklyn is under $45,000. Two cops would have a household income of over $123,000.

These cops live like kings compared to the people they serve. They get that kind of pay, there need to be high standards.

EDIT : I made a mistake. The above is for a PATROL OFFICER. Read: beat cop. A sergeant for example has a median of $78,670.

 

[Capt Caveman]

i believe the $90,is "total compensation". it is not typical to use total compensation as an expectation of salary...at least at any job ive been too. I believeit tops at $76k after 6 years unless its changed recently.


Many states are nowhere near that in cop pay.

Add overtime and they make very good money.

The highest paid public employees in my hometown and in most towns/cites are police officers. OT can double their salaries.

 

[boomerang]

The average HOUSEHOLD income (typically 2 workers) in Brooklyn is under $45,000. Two cops would have a household income of over $123,000.

How much would four cops make? Husband and wife and two kids, all cops, living under the same roof?

 

[shady28]

How much would four cops make? Husband and wife and two kids, all cops, living under the same roof?

Nice deflection. Since you're too stupid to get it, the point is a single cop has a income that is 50% - 100% higher than a typical 2-worker with a kid household in the area they serve. The statement that had been made was that cops get paid like shit, which is a plainly false statement that reflects a major disconnect with reality.

 

[theeedude]

Cop pay and protections are determined by their unions and political concerns, not the free market supply and demand, like it is for engineers.

 

[IGBT]

shooter had a long established pattern of violence / threats towards family / friends. If it wasn't the cops..it could have been anybody else he happened to run into. Who ever released this time bomb out of jail is complicit in this violence.

 

[LegendKiller]

You are completely full of shit, stop spouting lies.

The median overall compensation for a police officer in Brooklyn is $87,177, direct pay median is $61,629.

The average HOUSEHOLD income (typically 2 workers) in Brooklyn is under $45,000. Two cops would have a household income of over $123,000.

These cops live like kings compared to the people they serve. They get that kind of pay, there need to be high standards.

EDIT : I made a mistake. The above is for a PATROL OFFICER. Read: beat cop. A sergeant for example has a median of $78,670.

And?

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't buy that part... " Police brutality creates pieces of crap ". The police are brutal because that is all these shitbirds understand.

Of course that is all my Opinion ... What came first the chicken or the egg.

I can promise you that neither you nor anybody else including myself really wants to know the answer to that intimately but I will tell you what it is abstractly. The question is this: Why do cops acquire a negative attitude toward criminals that produces violence toward them because they are around them all the time, and why do people who are surrounded by hopelessness and violence commit violent acts. Can you see the common link:

We become what we eat, we adjust our behaviors, our thinking ,and out belief according to the impacts we are exposed to. Poverty, lack of constructive possibilities, lack of positive attitude, etc. make monsters of us all. We learn to hate and that always starts with hating ourselves. We do not want to know that our whole world view is colored by the fact that we actually do. The hurt we have suffered and the fear it will happen again create the desire to punish. If we can just punish people enough, hold them to enough consequences, we can make their self hate sufficient we think, that they will behave. Can you see that's how you make a human bomb, somebody so full of hate he doesn't care what happens to himself?

 

[LegendKiller]

Nice deflection. Since you're too stupid to get it, the point is a single cop has a income that is 50% - 100% higher than a typical 2-worker with a kid household in the area they serve. The statement that had been made was that cops get paid like shit, which is a plainly false statement that reflects a major disconnect with reality.

So because the average person in Brooklyn, which isn't that great of a place to begin with, is low, then cops make too much? How much is enough to deal with people? That much money, in NYC overall, isn't great. Do you even know what a decent house in a decent area in NYC costs? Perhaps they should just live like shit in BedSty also.

 

[theeedude]

So because the average person in Brooklyn, which isn't that great of a place to begin with, is low, then cops make too much? How much is enough to deal with people? That much money, in NYC overall, isn't great. Do you even know what a decent house in a decent area in NYC costs? Perhaps they should just live like shit in BedSty also.

Pay is about supply and demand, not how shitty your job is. Is there a shortage of cops or a shortage of cop jobs?

 

[Dari]

Do you see me condone or make excuses of Asians or whites or any race when they did wrong? Click on this thread that I created and see the pic? Yup, lazy dumb ass white = http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2413326 So racist, eh?

Show me the stats of Asians with 70% out of wedlock children, show me Asians that shot other Asians to death almost daily, show me Asians that suck in schools and blame whiteys for everything under the sun. Show me some links and we can discuss further.

My focus is on Asians. Again, gangsterism is rife in your community. they are also amongst the most corrupt on Earth. You can point to certain statistics that makes African-Americans look bad and I can point you to China or Vietnam where corruption is rife and life is worth very little.

 

[boomerang]

shooter had a long established pattern of violence / threats towards family / friends. If it wasn't the cops..it could have been anybody else he happened to run into. Who ever released this time bomb out of jail is complicit in this violence.

Now we're getting somewhere. :thumbsup:

 

[Pneumothorax]

My focus is on Asians. Again, gangsterism is rife in your community. they are also amongst the most corrupt on Earth. You can point to certain statistics that makes African-Americans look bad and I can point you to China or Vietnam where corruption is rife and life is worth very little.

Are we talking about african-americans in Mogadishu? Are we talking about asian-americans living in Ho Chi Minh?

 

[Darwin333]

With what is happening around the country right now, I'm very surprised that this isn't much more common. In fact, I've wondered why it is not. You have these 17, 18 year old gangbangers who think nothing of killing each other and the consequences that follow their actions. Why aren't they killing cops by the hundreds?

Despite what it might look like the gangbangers generally aren't straight up suicidal. They have a chance, a fairly decent one usually, to survive a shoot out with other gangbangers and actually get away with it. You shoot a cop in any way but especially in cold blood and they are going to catch you and almost always kill you. If you magically survive the state will kill you (if a death penalty state) or you'll live out the rest of your days in a supermax.

 

[LegendKiller]

Pay is about supply and demand, not how shitty your job is. Is there a shortage of cops or a shortage of cop jobs?

Sure, I suppose you could make that argument. We should just pay them $20k if that's what works and let them go on their merry way. After all, that'll do wonders for all aspects of police work.

 

[boomerang]

Nice deflection. Since you're too stupid to get it, the point is a single cop has a income that is 50% - 100% higher than a typical 2-worker with a kid household in the area they serve. The statement that had been made was that cops get paid like shit, which is a plainly false statement that reflects a major disconnect with reality.

It wasn't a deflection. Sorry about your luck with that gene pool thing.

 

[shady28]

So because the average person in Brooklyn, which isn't that great of a place to begin with, is low, then cops make too much? How much is enough to deal with people? That much money, in NYC overall, isn't great. Do you even know what a decent house in a decent area in NYC costs? Perhaps they should just live like shit in BedSty also.

That's a fact of life everyone in places like NYC, LA, etc has to deal with. Overall in NYC, median household income is 50-55K. A cop has an income that, combined with even a moderate 20-30k 2nd earner in their household, would be the median income for Manhattan (i.e., the upper income area of NYC).

Why would cops be special and be in the upper income brackets for NYC, are they incapable of dealing with economic realities that everyone else has to deal with? Do they think they are better than the people they serve? Why would they get paid double what the average person, whose taxes pay their salary, gets paid?