2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[theeedude]

Sure, I suppose you could make that argument. We should just pay them $20k if that's what works and let them go on their merry way. After all, that'll do wonders for all aspects of police work.

It will, if they know they can be replaced in 5 minutes. That seems to focus the mind.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, when people push the "we are innocent even though we try to beat cops" and act like fucking morons, they are going to get treated like fucking morons.

you act like cops are the ones that have 70% of their babies out of wedlock, shoot the fuck out of each other on the streets, kill people like Hadiya Pendleton...etc.

The problem isn't the cops, it is black culture.

As a person to whom I look for posts in threads on the economy to get what I have come to think of as insightful and knowledge based, I find myself here on this topic rather disappointed by what I perceive as rather rabid irrationality. You are actually even engaging in blaming the victim. I do not know why it isn't obvious to you that part of black culture is abusive cop fatigue. You are trying to pretend that when one hand washes the other the contact makes each of them equally dirty. This isn't the fault of the police or black community. Those are organic machines that operate on psychological laws. The criminal is the systemic conditions in which these two machines have their being. How hard would it be do you think to know what makes most people want to live happily without needing to hurt people. Then turn the world into such a place.

 

[emperus]

90k in NYC? Wow, that'll buy you a great place on Staten Island. YAY!

Meanwhile, your career can be ended by shitbags bitching about "brutality" when you're simply doing your job or you just might get killed. Maybe you'll even run into a burning building to save an asshole like you and die for it.

90k is 90k no matter where you live. What is the average income in NY?

But, that is amazing. What special skillset do police officers possess that make them worth 90k? That's insane.

 

[Dari]

Are we talking about african-americans in Mogadishu? Are we talking about asian-americans living in Ho Chi Minh?

Hey, the link he showed of his other thread was of some British lady. If he wants to bring external factors in this topic, I can do the same. Fact is, Chinatown is rife with corruption. I know a detective in the anti-organized crime unit that deals with Chinatown. Not a single Chinese person is in that unit for obvious reasons. They can get bought easily.

 

[fskimospy]

So because the average person in Brooklyn, which isn't that great of a place to begin with, is low, then cops make too much? How much is enough to deal with people? That much money, in NYC overall, isn't great. Do you even know what a decent house in a decent area in NYC costs? Perhaps they should just live like shit in BedSty also.

Brooklyn is quite nice, and it's median income isn't that far off from manhattan's.

NYPD officers make substantially more than the average person. This is true for brooklyn, for nyc as a whole, and for the country as a whole. When you said they were paid poorly, that was demonstrably false. By the way, we were being charitable in counting them against household income. If you wanted to really do an apples to apples you should compare it to median personal income, which is more like $30k.

So if a person with an associates degree and five years on the job who makes three times the median individual salary is poorly paid, what the hell kind of measure are you using? What should they be paid to be considered decently paid? $120k? $150k?

 

[Dari]

So because the average person in Brooklyn, which isn't that great of a place to begin with, is low, then cops make too much? How much is enough to deal with people? That much money, in NYC overall, isn't great. Do you even know what a decent house in a decent area in NYC costs? Perhaps they should just live like shit in BedSty also.

Why be a dick? Remember, you're a civilian all day every day. When police come for you, what will you say, "Guys, I'm on your side. Look at what I wrote in this thread. Let me show you on my phone..."? Fact is, you're not one of them and you can easily be one of their victims should you say the wrong thing or make the wrong move. If cops can beat up a 76 year old man, what do you have to offer, fellatio?

 

[Mai72]

I think cop pay is fair in NYC. Being a city cop is dangerous work. What does earning a good salary have to do with police relations with the poor? That's like saying an educator shouldn't make $60k because their salary is going to impede them from relating to their students. Nonsense.

 

[boomerang]

LOL! Let's not call them cops anymore let's call them community organizers. Their pay will then be too low.

 

[LegendKiller]

90k is 90k no matter where you live. What is the average income in NY?

But, that is amazing. What special skillset do police officers possess that make them worth 90k? That's insane.

wow...do you have any fucking idea what you're talking about?

Have you ever lived in NYC?

Go buy shit tickets at Gristides and you'll find out that 90k in Iowa is not the same as 90k in NYC.

Want to buy a modest house in somewhere nice like Fairfield co CT and commute into work? That's 500k minimum. Even in Stamford a 2br apartment is $2,500/mo. Try doing that on a 90k salary.

What special skillset do you have that make you deal with the scum of the earth a lot of your day?

Do everybody a favor, next time you need a cop, don't bother calling. They don't do anything worthwhile anyway. Let them respond to people who actually give a shit about their skills.

 

[Dari]

wow...do you have any fucking idea what you're talking about?

Have you ever lived in NYC?

Go buy shit tickets at Gristides and you'll find out that 90k in Iowa is not the same as 90k in NYC.

Want to buy a modest house in somewhere nice like Fairfield co CT and commute into work? That's 500k minimum. Even in Stamford a 2br apartment is $2,500/mo. Try doing that on a 90k salary.

What special skillset do you have that make you deal with the scum of the earth a lot of your day?

Do everybody a favor, next time you need a cop, don't bother calling. They don't do anything worthwhile anyway. Let them respond to people who actually give a shit about their skills.

If you're going to places like FreshDirect, Gristedes or Whole Foods to grocery shop in NYC then you deserve to get raped at the checkout counter. There are far cheaper places to go within blocks of expensive supermarkets (Trader Joes, Ideal Foods, and Western Beef come to mind).

 

[fskimospy]

wow...do you have any fucking idea what you're talking about?

Have you ever lived in NYC?

Go buy shit tickets at Gristides and you'll find out that 90k in Iowa is not the same as 90k in NYC.

Want to buy a modest house in somewhere nice like Fairfield co CT and commute into work? That's 500k minimum. Even in Stamford a 2br apartment is $2,500/mo. Try doing that on a 90k salary.

What special skillset do you have that make you deal with the scum of the earth a lot of your day?

Do everybody a favor, next time you need a cop, don't bother calling. They don't do anything worthwhile anyway. Let them respond to people who actually give a shit about their skills.

I live in NYC. $90k here is a very nice living for an individual. On that salary you can afford to buy a place in plenty of areas of the city, just not in Manhattan or northwest brooklyn. Additionally, there are many areas in the city where you can get a 2 bedroom for less than $2,500.

All of this can be confirmed by a quick look at craigslist, trulia, or zillow.

NYC is a very expensive city, but you are not accurately describing the rental costs here.

 

[theeedude]

How much do private security guards get paid in NYC?

 

[LegendKiller]

Why be a dick? Remember, you're a civilian all day every day. When police come for you, what will you say, "Guys, I'm on your side. Look at what I wrote in this thread. Let me show you on my phone..."? Fact is, you're not one of them and you can easily be one of their victims should you say the wrong thing or make the wrong move. If cops can beat up a 76 year old man, what do you have to offer, fellatio?

I've had my own run-ins with cops on a minor basis, almost all of them have been extremely courteous as long as you reciprocate. I say "sir" or "ma'am" and do exactly as they say, how I'd like to be treated in a similar situation.

 

[LegendKiller]

I live in NYC. $90k here is a very nice living for an individual. On that salary you can afford to buy a place in plenty of areas of the city, just not in Manhattan or northwest brooklyn. Additionally, there are many areas in the city where you can get a 2 bedroom for less than $2,500.

All of this can be confirmed by a quick look at craigslist, trulia, or zillow.

NYC is a very expensive city, but you are not accurately describing the rental costs here.

A very nice living? ROFL. Yeah, ok there chuckles. I lived in nyc for over 5 years. Everything is more expensive there and to claim that 90k is 90k wherever you live is moronic.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, when people push the "we are innocent even though we try to beat cops" and act like fucking morons, they are going to get treated like fucking morons.

you act like cops are the ones that have 70% of their babies out of wedlock, shoot the fuck out of each other on the streets, kill people like Hadiya Pendleton...etc.

The problem isn't the cops, it is black culture.

Your opinion is valued. Thanks.

 

[theeedude]

A very nice living? ROFL. Yeah, ok there chuckles. I lived in nyc for over 5 years. Everything is more expensive there and to claim that 90k is 90k wherever you live is moronic.

Supply and demand should determine the pay. If $90K is not high enough to generate sufficient supply of candidates in NYC, it should be higher, if it's generating excess supply of candidates, it should be lower.

 

[fskimospy]

A very nice living? ROFL. Yeah, ok there chuckles. I lived in nyc for over 5 years. Everything is more expensive there and to claim that 90k is 90k wherever you live is moronic.

While I agree that $90k is not equal everywhere, $90k is doing quite well here. I live in NYC currently and have for the last four years.

None of that really matters though because what you're saying is simply proven wrong by census statistics and looking at the rental market. Anyone who wants to verify what I'm saying can do so themselves very quickly.

$90k is far above the median individual and household incomes for the city. Period. It is also a salary at which someone can easily purchase a 2 bedroom apartment in a decent, but not great part of the city. Rents for 2 bedrooms in plenty of parts of the city are below $2,500, and considerably less than that of you're willing to live outside the city and commute.

These are facts. I don't know what the purpose of arguing them is.

 

[ivwshane]

Are NY cops required to live in NY? Does no one commute over there? In CA almost everyone commutes, I believe most commutes equal about 45 minutes.

 

[Dari]

A very nice living? ROFL. Yeah, ok there chuckles. I lived in nyc for over 5 years. Everything is more expensive there and to claim that 90k is 90k wherever you live is moronic.

You are wrong. IIRC, you used to live on the West Side, 60s. There's a Western Beef right there. I live in Chelsea and my wife goes to Trader Joes on 6th Avenue. Not expensive at all (place is popular). I also go on many mini vacations up and down the east coast every couple of months with my family. Prices are the same, more or less. The only place where prices are cheap is Walmart (NYC needs one and then we'll be good). NYC has plenty of boutique food joints if you want to pay through the nose (we just paid over $50 for tea at Harney and Sons). But there are many other places that are priced competitively with the rest of America.

 

[fskimospy]

Are NY cops required to live in NY? Does no one commute over there? In CA almost everyone commutes, I believe most commutes equal about 45 minutes.

They are not required to live in the city, no.

 

[Nebor]

http://nypost.com/2014/12/21/man-aimed-gun-in-cops-face-pulled-trigger-officials/

Of all the people that get shot, this guy should have been one of them. I'm wondering wtf those officers were thinking, letting him point a gun at them and pull the trigger.

 

[alzan]

Just an isolated incident; 99.9% of citizens are not like the perpetrator.

 

[Darwin333]

Depends, what happened? Has the grand jury decided to indict?

That is part of the problem and you'd have to be purposely and willfully blind to be as intelligent as I've seen you be and not see it.

Cops do get away with breaking the law because the entire system is hugely stacked in their favor.

As the saying goes, you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, prosecutors almost ALWAYS get an indictment when they want one. For some reason the only time the above fact doesn't hold true is when it comes to law enforcement officials. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[Nebor]

People claiming that NYPD cops aren't well compensated are kidding themselves. They have one of the most powerful unions in the world. An NYPD cop at 5 years makes roughly what a 5 year federal agent makes in NYC (considering COLA & LEAP) while holding far less responsibility.

Then consider that a Texas State Trooper after 5 years makes $63k, while performing one of the most dangerous jobs in law enforcement.

 

[Kadarin]

Unfortunately, incidents like this will only reinforce the police mentality that the public is the enemy.