2 Abrams tanks vs. 10,000 Chinese cavalrymen: Who would win?

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Todays cavalry don't ride horses and have the same basic inventory that any infantry platoon has so they would have about 1k armor penetrating rpgs along with other types of armor piercing weapons. (one in ten carry these kinds of weapons)

It would have taken them a few seconds to blow out whatever is inside of the tank.

There is no such thing as a cavalry outside of the US either, they just kept it as a name, there is not one horse involved.

There are WAY too many generalizations in this thread.

http://pao.hood.army.mil/1stca.../horseDet/default.html

Well that simply isn't the truth, the last horse used by the cavalry divisions in the US was Chief who died in 1968, there are some used for parades but not for combat.

The cavalry still exists though, but what they are riding is choppers and not horses.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Todays cavalry don't ride horses and have the same basic inventory that any infantry platoon has so they would have about 1k armor penetrating rpgs along with other types of armor piercing weapons. (one in ten carry these kinds of weapons)

It would have taken them a few seconds to blow out whatever is inside of the tank.

There is no such thing as a cavalry outside of the US either, they just kept it as a name, there is not one horse involved.

There are WAY too many generalizations in this thread.

http://pao.hood.army.mil/1stca.../horseDet/default.html

Last horse involved with the military services in a combat situations was Chief, he died in 1968, the last cavalry involvement by horse was in the WWII as far as i remember.

The rest is for parades and the high guard, not for combat.

The cavalry still exists though, but as i said, they are not going to be riding anything but choppers.

They sell their tanks/jeeps/humvees/113s/577s, etc?

 

[KMFJD]

Would the infantry know they where up against 2 tanks? if so, the infantry would win every time....

 

[her209]

How to disable an M1A1 tank with a shovel

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Phokus
Wow, even after a former tank operator posts and says the 10k calvary would win and points out the limitations of the tank, people still post the same unrealistic scenarios with the tank

Oh, because 2 tanks vs 10,000 medieval calvary is completely realistic. Why is everyone ignoring that a tank can just OUTRUN horses? Greater mobility and greater range. The only thing that would make it swing the other way is if and when they run out of fuel.

Clearly someone has never ridden a horse. And even if you have, you've obviously never gone into a full gallop have you? I've done plenty of trotting and cantering, but the first time we went into a full gallop I was insanely scared. You move QUITE fast, and even if the tank has a 5mph advantage on you then, it doesn't even matter. Can you imagine horses running on top of the tank? I think if you just have 1000 horses run over the top of a tank you would have something critical break...

I think even with unlimited ammo and no overheating you could still have a PRETTY GOOD CHANCE of the horses winning. If the tank can make 360s in 2 seconds, then game over... but seroiusly.. you could just push/pull the tank with that many horses.

Horses can maneuver too. Why do people think they're charging at you in a straight path like the rays of the sun come out from center point?

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Todays cavalry don't ride horses and have the same basic inventory that any infantry platoon has so they would have about 1k armor penetrating rpgs along with other types of armor piercing weapons. (one in ten carry these kinds of weapons)

It would have taken them a few seconds to blow out whatever is inside of the tank.

There is no such thing as a cavalry outside of the US either, they just kept it as a name, there is not one horse involved.

open mouth, insert foot

61st Cavalry, Indian Army

"61 Cavalry today has the unique distinction of being the only unmechanised mounted cavalry regiment in the world."

and from this source ...

"Not just adding decor to the Army, this regiment also performed operational roles. With 39 battle honours, this regiment has been commended since their charge at Haifa. It was also deployed in Ganganagar sector during 1965 and also took part in operations Pawan, Rakshak, Vijay and Parakram"

 

[pray4mojo]

are the tanks in siege mode or not?

 

[Vonkhan]

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[91TTZ]

What if it was a fully promoted Overlord tank with gatling turret upgrade?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Phokus
Wow, even after a former tank operator posts and says the 10k calvary would win and points out the limitations of the tank, people still post the same unrealistic scenarios with the tank

Oh, because 2 tanks vs 10,000 medieval calvary is completely realistic. Why is everyone ignoring that a tank can just OUTRUN horses? Greater mobility and greater range. The only thing that would make it swing the other way is if and when they run out of fuel.

Clearly someone has never ridden a horse. And even if you have, you've obviously never gone into a full gallop have you? I've done plenty of trotting and cantering, but the first time we went into a full gallop I was insanely scared. You move QUITE fast, and even if the tank has a 5mph advantage on you then, it doesn't even matter. Can you imagine horses running on top of the tank? I think if you just have 1000 horses run over the top of a tank you would have something critical break...

I think even with unlimited ammo and no overheating you could still have a PRETTY GOOD CHANCE of the horses winning. If the tank can make 360s in 2 seconds, then game over... but seroiusly.. you could just push/pull the tank with that many horses.

Horses can maneuver too. Why do people think they're charging at you in a straight path like the rays of the sun come out from center point?

What? How are 1000 horses going to fit on a tank at the same time? What, are they building a tower of horses or something? And a tank outruns a horse. Period. End of story.

Nice numbers there BTW. QUITE fast huh? Wow, I didn't realize they were QUITE fast. All along I was thinking they were PRETTY fast. But here I find out all of a sudden that they're QUITE fast. My bad man, my bad...

 

[Adn4n]

TANK!!!!!! The other tank shoots off the cavaliers that jump on the tank with their gun, which can't penetrate the abram's shell.

 

[Sc4freak]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
What if it was a fully promoted Overlord tank with gatling turret upgrade?

Doesn't matter. 10,000 Red Guards still completely own it. 100 would probably be enough, let alone 10,000.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I think the only question is: What would be more efficient... driving around and running them all over or opening fire? Or both?

Unlimited fuel and DU munitions... vs unlimited arrows or even small arms fire? There's no way the tanks lose.

 

[Colt45]

10.000 guys in wheelchairs, with single-shot .22s could take two tanks

 

[AznAnarchy99]

10,000 Zealots or 2 siege tanks..

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Phokus
Wow, even after a former tank operator posts and says the 10k calvary would win and points out the limitations of the tank, people still post the same unrealistic scenarios with the tank

Oh, because 2 tanks vs 10,000 medieval calvary is completely realistic. Why is everyone ignoring that a tank can just OUTRUN horses? Greater mobility and greater range. The only thing that would make it swing the other way is if and when they run out of fuel.

Clearly someone has never ridden a horse. And even if you have, you've obviously never gone into a full gallop have you? I've done plenty of trotting and cantering, but the first time we went into a full gallop I was insanely scared. You move QUITE fast, and even if the tank has a 5mph advantage on you then, it doesn't even matter. Can you imagine horses running on top of the tank? I think if you just have 1000 horses run over the top of a tank you would have something critical break...

I think even with unlimited ammo and no overheating you could still have a PRETTY GOOD CHANCE of the horses winning. If the tank can make 360s in 2 seconds, then game over... but seroiusly.. you could just push/pull the tank with that many horses.

Horses can maneuver too. Why do people think they're charging at you in a straight path like the rays of the sun come out from center point?

What? How are 1000 horses going to fit on a tank at the same time? What, are they building a tower of horses or something? And a tank outruns a horse. Period. End of story.

Nice numbers there BTW. QUITE fast huh? Wow, I didn't realize they were QUITE fast. All along I was thinking they were PRETTY fast. But here I find out all of a sudden that they're QUITE fast. My bad man, my bad...

Abrams tank goes an average of 40 mph on paved road and about 30 mph on dirt. A well trained horse runs about 30-35 mph on dirt roads. Seems about even so far.

 

[yhelothar]

Tanks... the gattling gun scene in the last samurai is proof.

 

[wiredspider]

calvery, if they use good strategies, like digging a hole for the tank to fall in or otherwise disabling the tank.

the tank couldn't win unless the calvery just stood there to be shoot and mowed down, which I think is unlikely.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: wiredspider
calvery, if they use good strategies, like digging a hole for the tank to fall in or otherwise disabling the tank.

the tank couldn't win unless the calvery just stood there to be shoot and mowed down, which I think is unlikely.

So you propose they keep moving while they dig your hole?

 

[mwmorph]

Wait, whats the rest of the setup? Armies don't just fight for the sake of fighting....

Is the tank defending or attacking? If we assume the tank is trying to defend an objective like a supply depot or a city, within hours if not minutes, the calvary would overrun the tanks.

Otherwise the smarter calvary would just go and pillage/plunder/level the closest city and leave the tanks in the desert. Tanks+urban warfare against massed forces = not a good situation.

If it's an attack,forward observers and civilians would have spotted the tanks days away. Fortifications and tank ditches can easily be built before contact. M1s are hardly stealthy, that and the calvary can run screens and ambushes from whatever they're defending. Only the mentally retarded fight over some featureless sand.

 

[rchiu]

What about 2 chinese tanks and 10,000 US cavalry men?

 

[RossMAN]

Please clarify, are we talking ancient or modern calvary?

 

[everman]

I thought by "calvary" the OP meant 19th century calvary, horses and repeating rifles. Tanks equipped with 50 caliber machine guns and anti-infantry ammo will obliterate them.

Of course the modern definition of "calvary" with anti-tank munitions will easily destroy the tanks.

 

[Yzzim]

why did I read every response to this pointless thread?

that being said, the tanks win, hands down. Only downside to a tank in said conditions are gas, ammo, and overheating. With all those taken away it's supreme.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: Yzzim
why did I read every response to this pointless thread?

that being said, the tanks win, hands down. Only downside to a tank in said conditions are gas, ammo, and overheating. With all those taken away it's supreme.

Yeah, I do like how any time a method for the Cavalry to win comes up, the hole is plugged by making the Tank for uber.

10,000 Men win.

Its just too big a difference of numbers. The two tanks have no means of keeping that many men off of themselves. Once they are there, there are ways to disable a tank.

Even discarding the fact that "obviously" the armor is impervious to all ancient and modern methods of doing bad things to steel, killing 10,000 men on horseback will take so long that they COULD dig a ditch while it was going on.