2 Abrams tanks vs. 10,000 Chinese cavalrymen: Who would win?

[NuroMancer]

I would be interested to know if they calvery could control their horses in the face of the main cannon fire.

 

[vi edit]

I still don't think many of you are actually grasping just how many units 10,000 mounted horsmen are.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I still don't think many of you are actually grasping just how many units 10,000 mounted horsmen are.

I think most people are...the question is...what are they going to do to stop or damage the tank when its moving on unlimited fuel(as per the OP's condition)

 

[potato28]

Tanks. Even if they ran out of ammo they could just speed up and run the people over.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: NuroMancer
I would be interested to know if they calvery could control their horses in the face of the main cannon fire.

well, gee if we're gonna consider that, then let's consider maintenance issues in killing 20,000 living beings. Hell, why not consider fuel issues too, since the OP doesn't mention unlimited fuel.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: mxrider

Originally posted by: Noirish
having cavalries converge on the tanks from all direction and firing on the machine gunners at the same time.
it won't take too many attempts to kill the machine gunners.
once they are gone, just pile as much grenades as you can on the tanks, boom, it's over.

Yeah except, there is a coaxil machine gun, check out this picture, see that small tube next to the main gun, thats the coax, how do you expect to knock that gunner out. IMPOSSIBLE

except that guy is limited to firing at whatever teh big gun is firing at. And since everyone who's exposed will be shot by virtue of the fact that there are 10,000 firing at you, the tank doesn't have a large field of fire. Of course, he'll kill a bunch, but while they're reloading, cavalry can keep moving in and then do crazy sh!t like fire their guns into the cannons and whatever. And enough can move in so that they can just sit on top of teh tank and chill.

See my last post

I wasn't aware it was standard for all guns on an Abrams to be CROWS operated, but even so, are we assuming that nothing overheats?

It's not standard but is becoming the new thing. The army just ordered many more Humvee's, Stryker and Abrams tanks to be fitted with them

i don't think its possible for all guns to be CROWS outfitted

 

[Nik]

Blow one of the treads, then set a raging fire under/around/on the tank and cook the men inside.

 

[Scooby Doo]

10,000 isn't a HUGE number. Splash damage will occur considerable casualities, especially if groupped together. Also just how effective is 10,000 people and horses? If their racing towards the tank, you're going to have horses tumbling over casuailities, making even more casualities.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: mxrider

Originally posted by: Noirish
having cavalries converge on the tanks from all direction and firing on the machine gunners at the same time.
it won't take too many attempts to kill the machine gunners.
once they are gone, just pile as much grenades as you can on the tanks, boom, it's over.

Yeah except, there is a coaxil machine gun, check out this picture, see that small tube next to the main gun, thats the coax, how do you expect to knock that gunner out. IMPOSSIBLE

except that guy is limited to firing at whatever teh big gun is firing at. And since everyone who's exposed will be shot by virtue of the fact that there are 10,000 firing at you, the tank doesn't have a large field of fire. Of course, he'll kill a bunch, but while they're reloading, cavalry can keep moving in and then do crazy sh!t like fire their guns into the cannons and whatever. And enough can move in so that they can just sit on top of teh tank and chill.

See my last post

I wasn't aware it was standard for all guns on an Abrams to be CROWS operated, but even so, are we assuming that nothing overheats?

It's not standard but is becoming the new thing. The army just ordered many more Humvee's, Stryker and Abrams tanks to be fitted with them

i don't think its possible for all guns to be CROWS outfitted

Not sure about ALL, but the TUSK upgrade gave the Abrams at least one remote gun by default:

http://www.defenseindustrydail.../LAND_M1A2_TUSK_lg.jpg

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: GuideBot
Blow one of the treads, then set a raging fire under/around/on the tank and cook the men inside.

How are you going to blow the treads with small munitions fire? And how are you going to set a raging fire around a moving tank?

 

[jdoggg12]

I think a better fight would be chuck norris vs 10k chinese and 2 tanks.

 

[ElFenix]

why can't i run this simulation in total war?

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
I think a better fight would be chuck norris vs 10k chinese and 2 tanks.

Then the answer would be obvious and wouldn't require debate :roll:

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
I think a better fight would be chuck norris vs 10k chinese and 2 tanks.

Then the answer would be obvious and wouldn't require debate :roll:

Insert random Chuck Norris sucks, Jack Bauer rulez type post here

I'm surprised that someone hasn't done a simulation in Civilization 4 yet!

I did one, and this is what happened:

I gave my team one Modern Armor piece (40 strength), and gave the enemy 20 cavalry units (15 strength). My tank was only able to kill 1 cavalry during my turn, but it killed 3 more units when counterattacked before dying.

When I gave the Modern Armor price enough promotions to bring it's strength up to 60, though, it was a different story. My tank ended up surviving an attack from 15 of their cavalry units unscratched, and the remaining 5 units retreated

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Wow, even after a former tank operator posts and says the 10k calvary would win and points out the limitations of the tank, people still post the same unrealistic scenarios with the tank

Oh, because 2 tanks vs 10,000 medieval calvary is completely realistic. Why is everyone ignoring that a tank can just OUTRUN horses? Greater mobility and greater range. The only thing that would make it swing the other way is if and when they run out of fuel.

 

[Safeway]

Unlimited ammo, no overheating, no anti-tank missiles. We already talked about it.

Tanks win.

 

[50cent1228]

10,000 men

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I think even a unskilled crew could win. Considering that even a few shells would destroy the horses will to run.

A trained war horse is a bit harder to spook than your granddad's cart pony.

I would have thought it was the tank, until UpGrD pointed out some of the facts that I wasn't aware of. I'd have figured that the machine gun on a tank would be a bit better, but...

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: LS20
theyre chinese..they could engineer an anti-tank device before the gunner gets the first reload in...

haha we are talking about the chinese here. They would copy the design of the tank and build their own tank. but it would be made out of wood and crumble.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Phokus
Wow, even after a former tank operator posts and says the 10k calvary would win and points out the limitations of the tank, people still post the same unrealistic scenarios with the tank

Oh, because 2 tanks vs 10,000 medieval calvary is completely realistic. Why is everyone ignoring that a tank can just OUTRUN horses? Greater mobility and greater range. The only thing that would make it swing the other way is if and when they run out of fuel.

uhh, tanks/horses run about the same level on unpaved ground i think

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Unlimited ammo, no overheating, no anti-tank missiles. We already talked about it.

Tanks win.

no overheating? oh, well fine. Can the horses be made of kevlar?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I think even a unskilled crew could win. Considering that even a few shells would destroy the horses will to run.

A trained war horse is a bit harder to spook than your granddad's cart pony.

I would have thought it was the tank, until UpGrD pointed out some of the facts that I wasn't aware of. I'd have figured that the machine gun on a tank would be a bit better, but...

Those horses are trained to go through gun fire and other fairly loud things. But I don't think a horse can stand hearing the ear shattering BOOOM of a Tank Main Cannon.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Todays cavalry don't ride horses and have the same basic inventory that any infantry platoon has so they would have about 1k armor penetrating rpgs along with other types of armor piercing weapons. (one in ten carry these kinds of weapons)

It would have taken them a few seconds to blow out whatever is inside of the tank.

There is no such thing as a cavalry outside of the US either, they just kept it as a name, there is not one horse involved.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Todays cavalry don't ride horses and have the same basic inventory that any infantry platoon has so they would have about 1k armor penetrating rpgs along with other types of armor piercing weapons. (one in ten carry these kinds of weapons)

It would have taken them a few seconds to blow out whatever is inside of the tank.

There is no such thing as a cavalry outside of the US either, they just kept it as a name, there is not one horse involved.

There are WAY too many generalizations in this thread.

http://pao.hood.army.mil/1stca.../horseDet/default.html

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Todays cavalry don't ride horses and have the same basic inventory that any infantry platoon has so they would have about 1k armor penetrating rpgs along with other types of armor piercing weapons. (one in ten carry these kinds of weapons)

It would have taken them a few seconds to blow out whatever is inside of the tank.

There is no such thing as a cavalry outside of the US either, they just kept it as a name, there is not one horse involved.

There are WAY too many generalizations in this thread.

http://pao.hood.army.mil/1stca.../horseDet/default.html

Last horse involved with the military services in a combat situations was Chief, he died in 1968, the last cavalry involvement by horse was in the WWII as far as i remember.

The rest is for parades and the high guard, not for combat.

The cavalry still exists though, but as i said, they are not going to be riding anything but choppers.