19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[SpatiallyAware]

If you're under the impression I just make shit up to get a rise out of you or something, I assure you that's not the case.

I'm having trouble finding a link but here is the way in which it was mentioned at the Worthy press conference:

Near the end of it, a reporter asked Ms. Worthy about it. She said "and do you have any comment on the person who said that she put her hoodie up as she left the scene?" and Ms. Worthy's response was "I have no comment on that it sounds like an attempt to make a connection to another case" (referring to Trayvon, which had been mentioned explicitly in a previous question.

All I can tell you is that I saw the same story the reporter was referencing, and saw it within the last day or so. I think I saw it last night.

Apparently I need to start keeping some friggin' log book of URLs or something.

It tends to be hard to find these again afterward, when I Googled "Renisha put her hood up" it was latching onto a lot of Trayvon comparisons.

The martin family lawyers were fantastic at scrubbing articles like this, likely with well-worded legal threats.

Come to find out that every negative article (that I read, anyway) turned out to be 100% factual.

These 'media scrubs' have come to be the de facto method the racist lynch jobbers try to quell the truth.

 

[Svnla]

I bet anything you got wasted just like her at that age. Give me a break..............

I would not make that bet if I was you. I surely did not crash three cars and were so drunk (over 2x the legal limit - and it was several hours AFTER the crash, and it was not her first time either) when I was a teenager. I was/am not a perfect angel but was not that stupid for sure.

Some of us know right and wrong even when we were young/teenagers. I guess we were raised differently, ie..."not keeping it real". And I know for a fact that I am not alone.

 

[Geosurface]

And you also think that he should make a run for it.


Don't forget that you said that too.

I said that if I was in his situation I'd be "sorely tempted" to run for it.

Are you telling me you wouldn't be? That it wouldn't cross your mind?

 

[Geosurface]

I would not make that bet if I was you. I surely did not crash three cars and were so drunk (over 2x the legal limit - and it was several hours AFTER the crash, and it was not her first time either) when I was a teenager. I was/am not a perfect angel but was not that stupid for sure.

Some of us know right and wrong even when we were young/teenagers. I guess we were raised differently, ie..."not keeping it real". And I know for a fact that I am not alone.

You are most certainly not alone.

In my entire teen years and 20's I never did anything particularly bad. Was never wasted once, and still haven't been.

I wasn't perfect, and I did a couple of low level delinquent things... but it is certainly possible to make it through your teenage years without DUIs, etc.

 

[classy]

I would not make that bet if I was you. I surely did not crash three cars and were so drunk (over 2x the legal limit - and it was several hours AFTER the crash, and it was not her first time either) when I was a teenager. I was/am not a perfect angel but was not that stupid for sure.

Some of us know right and wrong even when we were young/teenagers. I guess we were raised differently, ie..."not keeping it real". And I know for a fact that I am not alone.

Let me give you a clue. I have only drank two beers and tried two shots of whiskey in my entire life. Period. Never cared for alcohol or drugs for that matter. That's just me. But that doesn't change the fact of someone shooting a person whether drunk or not for some flimsy reason. And to spout the bs that she would have done this and that, that this man shooting this young woman in the face somehow saved somebody's life in the future is so far over the top, its a new low.

By the analogy here, now getting drunk means its okay to be murdered.

 

[classy]

You are most certainly not alone.

In my entire teen years and 20's I never did anything particularly bad. Was never wasted once, and still haven't been.

I wasn't perfect, and I did a couple of low level delinquent things... but it is certainly possible to make it through your teenage years without DUIs, etc.

Are you going on the record saying its okay to kill a drunk person just because they knocked on the wrong door?

 

[Svnla]

Let me give you a clue. I have only drank two beers and tried two shots of whiskey in my entire life. Period. Never cared for alcohol or drugs for that matter. That's just me. But that doesn't change the fact of someone shooting a person whether drunk or not for some flimsy reason. And to spout the bs that she would have done this and that, that this man shooting this young woman in the face somehow saved somebody's life in the future is so far over the top, its a new low.

By the analogy here, now getting drunk means its okay to be murdered.

As I said in my very first post in this thread, shooting a person when that person was outside the house was not a smart move at all. We will see later when the facts come out as I said in GZ vs. TM long thread.

But your statement that most people did behave "got wasted" like her was not correct. Now if you said "I bet anything that all of us did/said stupid things when we were young/teenager and now wish we could take/change them back" then I would agree totally.

 

[classy]

As I said in my very first post in this thread, shooting a person when that person was outside the house was not a smart move at all. We will see later when the facts come out as I said in GZ vs. TM long thread.

But your statement that most people did behave like her was not correct. Now if you said "I bet anything that all of us did/said stupid things when we were young/teenager and now wish we could take/change them back" then I would agree totally.

This is not Trayvon Martin, there is just no good reason why this young woman is in the ground. Even at this low point where she was, she didn't deserve to be shot like that.

 

[Geosurface]

Are you going on the record saying its okay to kill a drunk person just because they knocked on the wrong door?

Nope. The only way what he did was justified was if she was seeming to try to force her way in. Even then, one would think there were numerous ways to resolve it without blasting her. Like telling her to go away, calling cops, etc.

So I don't think what he did was right really under ANY circumstances. There may be a few limited possibilities which would make it excusable, but not right.

Now if he fired accidentally (like if he was trying to hold the gun and point it with one hand, and it slipped while he tried to open the door with the other, and in his reflexive move to keep hold of it, he pulled the trigger) then that's another matter.

I don't know what I think the punishment should be in that scenario... I feel bad that he'd need to be punished at all, but I understand the need for it... I guess.

It just seems a shame that some drunk driving idiot showing up at his house has destroyed his life. I have an easier time identifying with him than I do with her, and I make no bones about that.

 

[Fern]

The screen would be outside the wooden doors.

All the front doors I've ever seen open towards the inside of the house. (Otherwise the hinge would be outside making a break in by removal of hinge pin far too easy.)

If the (outer) screen door was indeed locked then there shouldn't be any of her fingerprints on the front door. (Unless she punched a hole through the screen etc.)

Fern

 

[Jaskalas]

The claim of accidental discharge is going to end this guy. It'd be safer for him to have intentionally acted in self defense out of fear due to her possible aggression.

 

[EagleKeeper]

ROFLMFAO!!! You kidding right?

Five of the women were white and one was Hispanic. He had no chance of losing with that kind of racial makeup on the jury.

That was the jury that the prosecutors wanted; females.
There were blacks as alternates

Talk about finding excuses for losing and not able to railroad a concerned citizen.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And? If she hadn't caused any deaths or injuries to others up to that point, she had a chance for redemption. She could have been charged for the DUI, done some jail time, and perhaps court ordered evaluation. Again, she was 19, she could have turned her life around.


Keep trolling.

4 cars and at least a DUI that was not just a couple of beers over the limit.

She had no concerns about her actions; she was a DUI fatality waiting to occur.

He family must have had connections; protecting her from her actions; their tolerance is encouraging such.

Like Martin; she was no angel and should not be considered as such

 

[EagleKeeper]

Sure. Except I didn't make a peep about this being racially motivated. Never said anything about Wafer shooting her over racial hatred.


Nope nope nope.

However the family is sure trying to push it as such.
Pastor, civil rights leaders, prosecution team;

If they can get him on M2; they want the civil right violation as a backup. Everything becomes race related.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The prosecutor says they have the evidence (see previous posts). Since she's black, I guess you think she is lying.... I happen to believe her.

Prosecutors have been know to stretch/twist the truth. Especially in high profile cases where they play to the media.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Civil rights advocates had said McBride’s death followed a pattern similar to that of Trayvon Martin. McBride is black. Wafer is white.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-manslaughter-article-1.1518356#ixzz2kl1d2bT6

And here's where the racist BS comes in. Because a white man killed a black woman IT'S RACIST! That's bullshit. You need more proof than that...

 

[OverVolt]

Pretty sure if the white guy living in Detroit was racist he wouldn't still be in Detroit.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Please give it rest, this complete bs and you know it. You don't know any of this to be true, pure speculation.

God damn why do so many of you have a hard on when a black person gets kill. She was 19 and had a person shoot her in the face.

We have laws and a justice system that everyone should be entitled to. Not shot dead and I bet anything you got wasted just like her at that age. Give me a break..............

A person driving at that limit (which was from the ME; not at the time of the crash) will eventually kill themselves or someone else.
Blatant disregard for anyone's life.

As to getting wasted; you lose. Once at High school grad - was driven home with about 3-4 beers in me. Do not drink

I have a hardon for any idiot that puts themselves in a situation that there is no justification for and gets injured/killed. Color does not matter. And if they are young; it can usually point back at irresponsible parents.

You and others here are the ones that seem to feel that a black person should be able to skate from being responsible for their actions.

 

[Hugo Drax]

How come this case is not getting the same media frenzy as the trevon Martin case? Is the shooter black?

 

[EagleKeeper]

So what? Seriously, so what? Does that make a single shred of difference in the charges faced by her shooter? Does that somehow make her more shootable?

It makes her responsible for the situation she put herself in deliberately.

She decided to not stay with the vehicle; but to run/avoid her actions - TWICE

She may not have deserved to be shot; but such it the result of playing with fire. The next time she may have killed another person or herself. eventually her actions would have come up snake-eyes; she was on that road already.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The martin family lawyers were fantastic at scrubbing articles like this, likely with well-worded legal threats.

Come to find out that every negative article (that I read, anyway) turned out to be 100% factual.

These 'media scrubs' have come to be the de facto method the racist lynch jobbers try to quell the truth.

There are professionals that have hung out their shingle doing such.

You hear ads on the radio/TV for services to purge negative information from the internet on a person/company.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How come this case is not getting the same media frenzy as the trevon Martin case? Is the shooter black?

It will; the spin lawyers have a harder time generating sympathy because she was no angel. So it takes more effort to get out the story to the media.

 

[spidey07]

And we know for a fact she was drunk and high at the time, wondering around the neighborhood trying to hide from police.

 

[SheHateMe]

Like Martin; she was no angel and should not be considered as such

I wouldn't consider her an angel. I'm just saying that at her age, there could have been an intervention at some point and she could have turned her life around.

However the family is sure trying to push it as such.
Pastor, civil rights leaders, prosecution team;
*snip*

...and that has nothing to do with me.

 

[Soundmanred]

I wouldn't consider her an angel. I'm just saying that at her age, there could have been an intervention at some point and she could have turned her life around.

Thankfully, there was an intervention.
She is no longer a threat to anyone.