19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[M0RPH]

Per your SPECULATION, I bet it does sound like a break in. But by going on what the AUTHORITIES have found, which was no sign of a break in, you're wrong. No 'probably' about it.

Again, someone with their hand on your doorknob, trying to turn it, trying to open the door, that's not going to leave any physical evidence of a break-in, but that person is in fact trying to get into your home.

 

[Geosurface]

All I'm asking you for is a link.

If you're under the impression I just make shit up to get a rise out of you or something, I assure you that's not the case.

I'm having trouble finding a link but here is the way in which it was mentioned at the Worthy press conference:

Near the end of it, a reporter asked Ms. Worthy about it. She said "and do you have any comment on the person who said that she put her hoodie up as she left the scene?" and Ms. Worthy's response was "I have no comment on that it sounds like an attempt to make a connection to another case" (referring to Trayvon, which had been mentioned explicitly in a previous question.

All I can tell you is that I saw the same story the reporter was referencing, and saw it within the last day or so. I think I saw it last night.

Apparently I need to start keeping some friggin' log book of URLs or something.

It tends to be hard to find these again afterward, when I Googled "Renisha put her hood up" it was latching onto a lot of Trayvon comparisons.

 

[HumblePie]

Speculation on my part here, but I think that if the home owner does go down for this, it's simply a case of talking to the cops without an attorney present that puts him away.

Let's go down this road of thinking for a sec. Let's make the supposition that the girl went psycho for a moment. Being lost, on drugs, scared with a recent car wreck, and decides she is going to get into a house regardless. For this mental "what if" assume the girl is actually actively trying to break into a house, but failing miserably at it. Homeowner hears the noise at 3 am or whatever horrible time it is. Opens the door to see what is going on outside while armed. The girl yells, lunges, or does something to spook him for a split second. He does accidentally discharge a shot from his shotgun. Calls the cops and not an attorney right after the cops. He speaks the cops and tells them conflicting information due to his emotional state. Being sleepy from woken up at that hour, disoriented from the mass of cops that descend upon his house because someone was shot, and because he's shaken up because he just killed someone. He tells things he shouldn't in a conflicting manner that can make the police or DA suspect that this was something more than a simple home defense. Especially in an antagonistic area like Detroit against gun owners.

He could very well end up getting charged and losing in court over this because he stupidly said the wrong things during the initial investigation to the police.

I am not saying that the scenario is what happened here. Just saying that at this point it is a very possible scenario that could have occurred.

It could also be he was a cranky old bastard and shot first the moment he saw someone on his porch at 3am.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I think that unless the prosecution has some evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the homeowner was not justified in shooting this woman he will not be convicted as all doubt will be in his favor. Lacking signs of a forced entry does not prove that this woman was not trying to make entry into the house.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think that unless the prosecution has some evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the homeowner was not justified in shooting this woman he will not be convicted as all doubt will be in his favor. Lacking signs of a forced entry does not prove that this woman was not trying to make entry into the house.

Doubt... that she may have been trying to enter.

I'm really on the fence on this one.

 

[SheHateMe]

If you're under the impression I just make shit up to get a rise out of you or something, I assure you that's not the case.

What did I say to you about assuming stuff?


All I wanted was link to the source.

Apparently I need to start keeping some friggin' log book of URLs or something.

That's a good idea. Or, don't make a statement that you can't back up. That's all.

 

[dank69]

I think that unless the prosecution has some evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the homeowner was not justified in shooting this woman he will not be convicted as all doubt will be in his favor. Lacking signs of a forced entry does not prove that this woman was not trying to make entry into the house.

Would him admitting that the gun discharged accidentally be enough evidence? To me that means he didn't feel he was in danger because if he did he would have fired on purpose.

 

[bshole]

You wake up at 3:40am, and you see someone in a hoodie aggressively jerking on your screen door knob

If she was aggressively jerking on the door in an attempt to break-in, that would most definitely make a shooting of her more reasonable. Unfortunately there isn't a single shred of evidence that I have heard of that supports that actually happening.

Can you please stick with the known facts? Making up stuff out of whole cloth does not help your arguments. There is evidence to indicate she knocked on the door, I have heard of no evidence to indicate she jerked on the door knob. If you invent evidence, any argument you make on that invented evidence is absolutely and completely worthless.

 

[nehalem256]

If she was aggressively jerking on the door in an attempt to break-in, that would most definitely make a shooting of her more reasonable. Unfortunately there isn't a single shred of evidence that I have heard of that supports that actually happening.

Can you please stick with the known facts? Making up stuff out of whole cloth does not help yourself. There is evidence to indicate she knocked on the door, I have heard of no evidence to indicate she jerked on the door. If you invent evidence, any argument you make on that invented evidence is absolutely and completely worthless.

What evidence would that be?

 

[nehalem256]

Would him admitting that the gun discharged accidentally be enough evidence? To me that means he didn't feel he was in danger because if he did he would have fired on purpose.

If you accept that the firing was an accident that if pretty clearly isn't murder 2.

 

[bshole]

What evidence would that be?

The prosecutor says they have the evidence (see previous posts). Since she's black, I guess you think she is lying.... I happen to believe her.

 

[Geosurface]

Or, don't make a statement that you can't back up. That's all.

Okay here you go god damn it, I found it: DailyMail.co.uk

One neighbor, who lived just opposite the accident said he could not tell if she was under the influence, but revealed she seemed incredibly confused and walked to and from her car, getting in and out three times, before eventually leaving the scene with her hood pulled over her head.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Would him admitting that the gun discharged accidentally be enough evidence? To me that means he didn't feel he was in danger because if he did he would have fired on purpose.

Have you seen the actual transcript of him doing such? Until I see the transcript I will take the claim with a rather large grain of salt.

 

[SheHateMe]

Okay here you go god damn it, I found it: DailyMail.co.uk

Dang, I guess that must have been like brain surgery

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The prosecutor says they have the evidence (see previous posts). Since she's black, I guess you think she is lying.... I happen to believe her.

LMAO!!!!! The prosecutors in the Zimmerman case made many claims that wound up being blatantly wrong.

 

[Geosurface]

If she was aggressively jerking on the door in an attempt to break-in, that would most definitely make a shooting of her more reasonable. Unfortunately there isn't a single shred of evidence that I have heard of that supports that actually happening.

Can you please stick with the known facts? Making up stuff out of whole cloth does not help your arguments. There is evidence to indicate she knocked on the door, I have heard of no evidence to indicate she jerked on the door knob. If you invent evidence, any argument you make on that invented evidence is absolutely and completely worthless.

Did you miss what I said immediately after what you quoted?

That's all assumption of course, but I'll be interested to hear what he claims she was doing.

You do realize that the central issue of this entire event is whether him shooting was in any way justifiable or reasonable, and that he's claiming it was, right? His lawyers in court today said he had a very strong defense against the charge, and I realize that they WOULD say that, but the point is... it is entirely natural for those of us commenting on this to wonder what it is he's going to say she was doing.

What it is she was, in fact, doing.

It's one of the MOST natural subjects of discussion that a thread on this event could possibly focus on, and so no I won't be limiting myself from conjecture and speculation as to what sort of things she could have been doing out there which might have made him feel his house was being broken into.

If you can't recognize speculation when it is explicitly declared as such by the one doing the speculating, and if that disrupts you mentally or throws you off... or confuses you... then that sounds like your issue, not mine.

 

[Screech]

the real question is, can we get this thread to a million views?

 

[surfsatwerk]

the real question is, can we get this thread to a million views?

Summon Darkman.

 

[Geosurface]

Something which should limit this thread from reaching Trayvon levels is the fact that Wafer's shooting of McBride doesn't seem like it could EVER be justified to the same degree what Zimmerman did was.

As I said earlier, I actually think it's probably appropriate that Wafer stand trial.

I have dramatically less sympathy for him than I did for Zimmerman, but I do have some sympathy because it sucks to just be living your life and then some drunk comes along and, albeit through your own stupid actions, effectively destroys your life.

I sympathize with both of them.

 

[SheHateMe]

And you also think that he should make a run for it.


Don't forget that you said that too.

 

[HumblePie]

Summon Darkman.

Please no.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Renisha was 19. She obviously made some dumb mistakes involving DUI, but that doesn't mean she "had it coming". AFAIK, she was a nonviolent person other than the drunk driving. She could have gotten a chance at redemption. Theodore took that way from her.

She and her parents made multiple dumb mistakes.

She was well on her way to a DUI manslaughter. There easily could have been a person walking along that street rather than a parked car.

Her actions show no attempt of responsibility and her parents tolerated such.

 

[classy]

She and her parents made multiple dumb mistakes.

She was well on her way to a DUI manslaughter. There easily could have been a person walking along that street rather than a parked car.

Her actions show no attempt of responsibility and her parents tolerated such.

Please give it rest, this complete bs and you know it. You don't know any of this to be true, pure speculation.

God damn why do so many of you have a hard on when a black person gets kill. She was 19 and had a person shoot her in the face.

We have laws and a justice system that everyone should be entitled to. Not shot dead and I bet anything you got wasted just like her at that age. Give me a break..............

 

[bshole]

She and her parents made multiple dumb mistakes.

She was well on her way to a DUI manslaughter. There easily could have been a person walking along that street rather than a parked car.

Her actions show no attempt of responsibility and her parents tolerated such.

So what? Seriously, so what? Does that make a single shred of difference in the charges faced by her shooter? Does that somehow make her more shootable?

We have laws and a justice system that everyone should be entitled to. Not shot dead and I bet anything you got wasted just like her at that age. Give me a break..............

Hell ya I did everything she did.... including being in a car that was driven away from a hit and run (of an UNOCCUPIED and PARKED vehicle). Those were some rowdy days!!! Best days of my life actually. Coke, acid, pot, booze, babes and parties..... damn damn good days.

 

[LTC8K6]

What evidence would that be?

Prints on the door, of course. Knuckle or side of palm, probably.

There is no "involuntary manslaughter" in Michigan.

It's hard to tell which way the trial will go.