19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[nehalem256]

To answer your question with facts. He didn't call 911 till after he opened the door and shot the girl. Clearly he wasn't frightened, because he would have never opened the door, and he never attempted to determine who was knocking or why.

Why do you think he opened the door?:hmm:

And are you in the habit of just carrying a shotgun around your house?

Pretty sure he said it accidentally went off. Accident implies no threat, no breaking and entering, no justifiable use of deadly force.

If it was an accident then it wasnt murder.

 

[classy]

So you contention is the guy shot her because he was pissed she woke him up?

I don't know why he shot her, its bizarre really. From everything we have heard so far I can't think of any other reason why he did shoot her other than being mad. Or sadly under the influence of alcohol himself. He has a bad history with alcohol. If it was a scenario like the B and Es I posted it would make sense, but that is clearly not what was going on here.

 

[Jaskalas]

In this case it's a clear cut case of defense of home from an invader attempting to enter.

Don't want to get shot? Don't try to enter somebody's home at 3 on the morning.

You have zero evidence of "attempting to enter".

 

[nehalem256]

I don't know why he shot her, its bizarre really. From everything we have heard so far I can't think of any other reason why he did shoot her other than being mad. Or sadly under the influence of alcohol himself. He has a bad history with alcohol. If it was a scenario like the B and Es I posted it would make sense, but that is clearly not what was going on here.

Or it being an accident exactly as he claimed.

 

[spidey07]

You have zero evidence of "attempting to enter".

I absolutely do. Statements by home owner and his attorney. His attorney assures us this is a clear cut case of defense of home from repeated attempts at entry.

A typical ploy in home invasions is to have a female beg for help and try to push in. Then her buddies bum rush the door once there is an ounce of opportunity.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't know why he shot her, its bizarre really. From everything we have heard so far I can't think of any other reason why he did shoot her other than being mad. Or sadly under the influence of alcohol himself. He has a bad history with alcohol. If it was a scenario like the B and Es I posted it would make sense, but that is clearly not what was going on here.

So the officers at the scene and at the station that were in close proximity of him couldn't detect the smell of alcohol or physical effects of being under the influence?

 

[M0RPH]

Or it being an accident exactly as he claimed.

Exactly. So many here seem to be forgetting this. He has every right to go to his door with shotgun in hand, even aim it at the person. It's just a tragic accident that he apparently was not able to handle his gun properly and fired on accident. They will not get the guy for murder, but they'll probably get him on negligent manslaughter.

He'll do about 5 years. Maybe more when the racebaiters get done hyping this up.

 

[spidey07]

Pretty sure he said it accidentally went off. Accident implies no threat, no breaking and entering, no justifiable use of deadly force.

If I point a weapon at you, justiably so as you are attempting to enter, and the gun happens to go off. Use of deadly force is still justified. Remember, no threat is necessary, the threat is PRESUMED by law via the attempt to enter unlawfully.

Now granted, him saying that is going to fuck him and why he should haven't said shit to police. Because now the racist lynch mob have something to grab onto including the racist prosecutor.j

This all comes down to the racists again. If this was some woman shooting a male thug doing the same thing folks would be calling the woman a hero. Only when the false claims of "poor little girl asking for help just knocking on the door" predispose those with poor cranial capacity sink in do you wind up with what we have in this thread.

The typical racists being typical racists. They didn't learn the last time, and you won't this time either.

 

[classy]

If I point a weapon at you, justiably so as you are attempting to enter, and the gun happens to go off. Use of deadly force is still justified. Remember, no threat is necessary, the threat is PRESUMED by law via the attempt to enter unlawfully.

Now granted, him saying that is going to fuck him and why he should haven't said shit to police. Because now the racist lynch mob have something to grab onto including the racist prosecutor.

The law does not support your scenario. If you have pointed your gun at person under the wrong circumstances and it goes off your are guilty of manslaughter. You can't even still shoot a person if the threat has ceased and that I have heard you say several times. I think he is going to go to jail on manslaughter. My guess 7-12 years, be out in 4-5.

 

[spidey07]

The law does not support your scenario. If you have pointed your gun at person under the wrong circumstances and it goes off your are guilty of manslaughter. You can't even still shoot a person if the threat has ceased and that I have heard you say several times. I think he is going to go to jail on manslaughter. My guess 7-12 years, be out in 4-5.

Pointing a gun at somebody attempting to cross the threshold or enter illegally is not the wrong circumstances, nor is it illegal.

 

[M0RPH]

If you have pointed your gun at person under the wrong circumstances and it goes off your are guilty of manslaughter.

Nothing wrong with pointing a gun at a stranger who's messing with your door at 4 in the morning. Try again.

 

[classy]

If I point a weapon at you, justiably so as you are attempting to enter, and the gun happens to go off. Use of deadly force is still justified. Remember, no threat is necessary, the threat is PRESUMED by law via the attempt to enter unlawfully.

Now granted, him saying that is going to fuck him and why he should haven't said shit to police. Because now the racist lynch mob have something to grab onto including the racist prosecutor.j

This all comes down to the racists again. If this was some woman shooting a male thug doing the same thing folks would be calling the woman a hero. Only when the false claims of "poor little girl asking for help just knocking on the door" predispose those with poor cranial capacity sink in do you wind up with what we have in this thread.

The typical racists being typical racists. They didn't learn the last time, and you won't this time either.

Umm Exhibit A

http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-unarmed-shooting-charlotte-191520307.html

Also thug not found in this scenario at this present time.

 

[tgferg67]

I absolutely do. Statements by home owner and his attorney. His attorney assures us this is a clear cut case of defense of home from repeated attempts at entry.

A typical ploy in home invasions is to have a female beg for help and try to push in. Then her buddies bum rush the door once there is an ounce of opportunity.

Thats one heck of a door to use for a home invasion - right in front of a 4 lane highway with a street light right in front of it. What, were the houses on the side streets with no street lights more risky?

 

[nehalem256]

The law does not support your scenario. If you have pointed your gun at person under the wrong circumstances and it goes off your are guilty of manslaughter. You can't even still shoot a person if the threat has ceased and that I have heard you say several times. I think he is going to go to jail on manslaughter. My guess 7-12 years, be out in 4-5.

Except I don't think any rational person would say pointing your gun at a drunk and high girl on your porch in the middle of the night constitutes "wrong circumstances".

 

[classy]

Nothing wrong with pointing a gun at a stranger who's messing with your door at 4 in the morning. Try again.

Let me repeat this loud and clear. YOU CAN NOT SHOOT SOMEONE WHO KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR, REGARDLESS OF THE TIME OF DAY.

 

[classy]

Except I don't think any rational person would say pointing your gun at a drunk and high girl on your porch in the middle of the night constitutes "wrong circumstances".

The man on his 911 call said he thinks he shot someone. So it would appear he never determined who he shot, let alone if they were in a drunk condition or not.

 

[nehalem256]

Umm Exhibit A

http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-unarmed-shooting-charlotte-191520307.html

Kerrick and two other responding officers surrounded Ferrell, who “immediately charged” at the police, Monroe said. One officer tried unsuccessfully to subdue Ferrell with a taser. Kerrick then fired his weapon "several times."

lol. So they tried to subdue him with a taser and then had to shoot him?

Let me guess the guy is black right? And a bunch of race baiters tried to claim it was racist to shoot him after tasering him didn't subdue him?

 

[nehalem256]

The man on his 911 call said he thinks he shot someone. So it would appear he never determined who he shot, let alone if they were in a drunk condition or not.

So sounds exactly like an accident. Why is he being charged for murder then?:hmm:

 

[M0RPH]

Thats one heck of a door to use for a home invasion - right in front of a 4 lane highway with a street light right in front of it. What, were the houses on the side streets with no street lights more risky?

Nobody said she was a smart thief or a well-prepared one. Obviously she was drunk, high and stupid. That does not preclude someone from being up to no good, in fact it usually makes someone more suspect, except in this case. Somehow, inexplicably, the racially motivated folks here would love to paint this deviant as an angel just needing help.

 

[spidey07]

Umm Exhibit A

http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-unarmed-shooting-charlotte-191520307.html

Also thug not found in this scenario at this present time.

The home owner didn't do the shooting not was the shooter inside his castles threshold. Not even remotely the same.

 

[classy]

So sounds exactly like an accident. Why is he being charged for murder then?:hmm:

My guess is because he didn't attempt to call 911 before he shot the girl. He then just hung up without giving a name or address. As far as I can tell he didn't attempt to get the person help afterwards.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Let me repeat this loud and clear. YOU CAN NOT SHOOT SOMEONE WHO KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR, REGARDLESS OF THE TIME OF DAY.

Proof she was just simply knocking on the door. Also I believe it has been said that the outer screen door was locked.

 

[spidey07]

Proof she was just simply knocking on the door. Also I believe it has been said that the outer screen door was locked.

The family has assured us she was simply knocking on the door asking for help.

At 3 am
After eluding police
After fleeing the scene of an accident
While very drunk and high

she wasn't doing a single thing wrong, nope. Not possible.

 

[classy]

Nobody said she was a smart thief or a well-prepared one. Obviously she was drunk, high and stupid. That does not preclude someone from being up to no good, in fact it usually makes someone more suspect, except in this case. Somehow, inexplicably, the racially motivated folks here would love to paint this deviant as an angel just needing help.

Racially motivated huh? Outside of her underage drinking and drunk driving, do you have any proof she was thief or any other kind of law breaker? Or is it just par for the course to accuse a person of such based solely on racial stereotypes. There have been a whole lot of people on this planet who have gotten drunk? So everyone who is drunk is a deviant now?

 

[tgferg67]

Nobody said she was a smart thief or a well-prepared one. Obviously she was drunk, high and stupid. That does not preclude someone from being up to no good, in fact it usually makes someone more suspect, except in this case. Somehow, inexplicably, the racially motivated folks here would love to paint this deviant as an angel just needing help.

She smashed her getaway car too?
A thief this stupid would have a criminal record.