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150,000+ protest in UK against Gaza siege

SandEagle

Lifer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-end-to-massacre-and-arms-trade-9659180.html

tens of thousands protesting in Ireland, thousands in Japan and other parts of the non-Muslim world.

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I wonder what they think of the 2 to 3 thousand turnout in New York City last month to protest the Gaza invasion. If it was enough to be respectable or worthy.
 
I wonder what they think of the 2 to 3 thousand turnout in New York City last month to protest the Gaza invasion. If it was enough to be respectable or worthy.

5,000+ in Texas too. i am going to keep track of every protest above 5k and create new threads on them. just as a PSA
 
Its too bad that it took Gaza to bring out the true feelings of Muslims everywhere.....


Now lets go a step further why are the people who call themselves Palestinians hated and
shunned by the rest of the Arab world.....in essence their Arab brothers and sisters??

Why are Israel`s actions in the Gaza being approved of by other Arab countries??
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...arab-nations-hostile-to-hamas.html?cmpid=yhoo

As Israel seeks to sideline Hamas in any accord on the Gaza Strip’s future, it’s finding quiet support among Arab nations where antagonism toward the Islamist group eclipses their enmity toward the Jewish state.

Egypt, which mediated a second 72-hour halt to Gaza fighting yesterday, is now ruled by an army chief who presided over a crackdown on Hamas’s Islamist patrons. Saudi Arabia’s king didn’t explicitly criticize Israel in a recent lament over civilian deaths in Gaza. The United Arab Emirates, which pledged aid to help rebuild the coastal strip, is also hostile to political Islam.

There’s an “alignment of interests” between nations that aren’t allies yet have “common adversaries,” said Martin Indyk, vice president of the Brookings Institution in Washington and a former U.S. negotiator in the Middle East. “As they see that the U.S. is less engaged than it was before, it’s natural that they look to each other -- quietly, under the table in most respects -- to find a way to help each other.”

Talks in Cairo first delivered a three-day truce that collapsed Aug. 8 amid a barrage of Hamas rockets. Yesterday’s accord was contingent on an end to the rocket attacks, Israeli officials said. Israel and Hamas are pressing for an agreement that addresses issues earlier pacts didn’t resolve. Hamas wants to end the blockade of Gaza by Israel and Egypt, while Israel seeks to demilitarize the territory.
 
“People shouldn't stand by and watch an injustice. I have little brothers and sisters and if I was in that situation I would want people globally to fight for me,” Yasmin Rackal, 17, said.

So they want blood. I think they do not know what that means. Fighting is exactly why the Palestinians have been dying this past month.
 
It's amazing how quickly the world forgets how persecuted the Jewish people have been through history and, instead, accepts the fanatical side of a religion that is more than willing to subjugate women and other religions because a large portion is 500 years behind the rest of the world.
 
As usual, the OP's rage is completely misguided. If you want to protest those responsible for the deaths of so many civilians, blame Hamas. If you want to blame those responsible for the blockade of free trade to and from Gaza, blame Hamas.

If Hamas cared about the Palestinian people, it could have had peace years ago. But no, what it really wants is to wage war on Israel. It doesn't give jack shit about furthering the Palestinian cause.

But the OP will drone on about big, bad Israel. He'll tell us that an accurate recitation of history is "propaganda."

SandEagle is a blind fool.

Does Hamas care about the Palestinian people?

In the winter of 2005, Ziad Abu Amr, a Gaza representative in the Palestinian Legislative Council, invited me to speak in Gaza City. As I entered the building for the event, I saw Mahmoud al-Zahar, one of the co-founders of Hamas. Before I could say anything, Ziad explained: “We decided to invite the opposition to hear you. We think it is important that they do so.”

I had not expected senior Hamas leaders to be there, but it didn’t alter my main message. Israel was slated to withdraw from the Gaza Strip in several months, so I emphasized that this was a time of opportunity for Palestinians — they should seize it. I told the audience of roughly 200 Gazans that this was a moment to promote Palestinian national aspirations.

If they took advantage of the Israeli withdrawal to peacefully develop Gaza, the international community and the Israelis would see that what was working in Gaza could also be applied to the West Bank. However, I then asked rhetorically: If Palestinians instead turn Gaza into a platform for attacks against Israel, who is going to favor an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and the creation of a Palestinian state?


Much of Palestinians’ history might have been imposed on them by others, I said. But this time they had the power to shape their future. If they made the wrong choice, they could not blame the Arabs, the Europeans, the Americans — or the Israelis.

While the audience was not shy about criticizing the U.S. role in peacemaking, no one challenged my main message that day.

Unfortunately, we know the path Hamas chose. Even as Israel was completing the process of withdrawing all its settlers and soldiers from Gaza, Hamas carried out a bus-station bombing in Israel. Then, from late 2005 to early 2006, Hamas conducted multiple attacks on the very crossing points that allowed people and goods to move into and out of Gaza. For Hamas, it was more important to continue “resistance” than to allow Gazans to constructively test their new freedom — or to give Israelis a reason to think that withdrawal could work. Some argue that Israel withdrew but imposed a siege on Gaza. In reality, Hamas produced the siege. Israel’s tight embargo on Gaza came only after ongoing Hamas attacks.[/b]

The embargo on Gaza might have hurt the Palestinians who live there, but it did not stop Hamas from building a labyrinth of underground tunnels, bunkers, command posts and shelters for its leaders, fighters and rockets. The tunnels are under houses, schools, hospitals and mosques; they allow Hamas fighters to go down one shaft and depart from another. According to the Israeli army, an estimated 600,000 tons of cement — some of it smuggled through tunnels from Egypt, some diverted from construction materials allowed into Gaza — was used for Hamas’s underground network.

At times, I argued with Israeli leaders and security officials, telling them they needed to allow more construction materials, including cement, into Gaza so that housing, schools and basic infrastructure could be built. They countered that Hamas would misuse it, and they were right. Developing Gaza — fostering a future for its people and protecting them — was not Hamas’s goal.

So long as Israel exists, Hamas will seek to fight it. It was not Israel’s opposition to the reconciliation agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (PA) that led to this latest round of warfare. Rather, it was Hamas’s political isolation and increasingly desperate financial situation. The group was broke after Egypt closed the smuggling tunnels into Gaza, Iran cut off funding because of Hamas’s opposition to Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, and Qatar was unable to send money through the Rafah border crossing, which Egypt controls.


The reconciliation deal relieved Hamas of the need to govern Gaza and meet its financial obligations there — without relieving it of its weapons. But the PA wasn’t willing to pay the Hamas salaries, including to its security forces, so Hamas did what it does best: use force to alter the political landscape.

In the 1990s, when I was the U.S. negotiator on Middle East peace, every time we made progress or seemed to be on the verge of a breakthrough, Hamas suicide bombers would strike Israeli cities. Six months before Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, he told me that the next Israeli election and Israel’s position toward the Palestinians would be determined not by anything he did but by whether Hamas carried out bombings in Israel. His message was that his security forces — and especially those of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat — had to do a better job of rooting out Hamas or our hopes for peace would be thwarted.

With its finances dwindling, Hamas initiated the recent conflict. This time, however, its leaders held the people of Gaza hostage to its needs, hoping that Egypt would feel the need to open Rafah, that Qatar would deliver money and that Israel would be forced to release Palestinian prisoners.

The Israelis will certainly resist an outcome that offers Hamas any gains. Having destroyed the tunnels that could penetrate Israel, the Israelis have pulled out of Gaza and were willing to extend the 72-hour truce that ended Friday. Hamas was not willing to do so. If Israel hopes to build broader international pressure on the group to stop firing, the Israel Defense Forces will need to avoid targets such as U.N. schools and hospitals. Of course, that is easier said than done, given that Hamas often fires rockets from or near such sites.

At some point, Hamas will stop firing rockets — if for no other reason than its arsenal is depleted. For the people of Gaza, however, the price has been staggering. But Hamas’s leaders have never been concerned about that. For them, Palestinians’ pain and suffering are tools to exploit, not conditions to end.

When relative calm returns, there will understandably be a push for a diplomatic solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. With Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas now even less able politically to tackle the core issues , a permanent agreement between the two sides is not in the cards. U.S. diplomacy, therefore, needs to be guided by several considerations and achievable aims.

First, the new strategic alignment in the region must be recognized. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates see the Muslim Brotherhood as an existential threat, and they will be natural partners in denying Hamas, the Palestinian wing of the Brotherhood, potential gains and assisting the PA’s reentry into Gaza.

Second, because Hamas is incapable of changing, it needs to be discredited. In the short term, humanitarian and reconstruction aid in Gaza must be managed so that Hamas cannot exploit it politically or militarily. The Obama administration should insist that the crossing points cannot be reopened until adequate safeguards are in place to prevent the diversion of the assistance. Not only would this permit the PA to reestablish itself at the Gaza crossing points, but it could also prevent Hamas from seizing materials shipped into the Gaza Strip. For the longer term, the United States should organize a Marshall Plan for Gaza contingent on Hamas disarming. If Hamas chooses arms over civilian investment and development, it should be exposed before Palestinians and the international community.

Third, it is important to build the political capital of Abbas and the PA by showing that they can deliver something in the West Bank. Consistent with its security concerns, Israel can expedite the movement of goods and materials destined for the West Bank, preventing them from needlessly getting held up in Israeli ports.

Fourth, focus on conflict management, not conflict resolution. The United States should try to broker unilateral steps that could change the dynamic between the Israelis and the Palestinians. For example, in what is referred to as Area C of the West Bank, Israel controls all planning, zoning and security. We would ask Israel to open Area C, which is 60 percent of the West Bank, to the Palestinians for housing construction and industrial parks. In exchange, we would ask the Palestinians to forgo moves in international organizations designed to symbolize statehood and pressure Israel.

Fifth, try to persuade Netanyahu to declare that Israel’s settlement construction will be made consistent with its two-state policy, meaning it will not build in areas that it thinks will be part of a Palestinian state. This would not only defuse the movement to delegitimize Israel internationally, but it would also make it easier for the Egyptians, Jordanians, Saudis and Emirates to work more openly with Israel.

The point would be to create some positive movement on peace and Israel’s relations with its neighbors. The United States would publicly maintain its commitment to achieving two states for two peoples. Our diplomacy after this recent conflict must foster tangible changes on the ground, not promise a vision that is unachievable. That is the essence of good statecraft, and rarely has it been more needed.
 
These protests show that there are still people left in the world with a moral conscience.

If these protests are in support of Hamas, then they are anything but moral when the consequence is exactly the sort of death and destruction you see today. They march on the side of war.
 
this is a huge deal....

Israel can't go in without unilateral support for risk of the whole thing turning around and biting them right on the ass (could mark the beginning of the end for the Israeli State.)

i can see it going something like.....Netanyahu continues, and even gets more brutal with the attacks, over the next few weeks, all the while opposition grows exponentially, thousands and thousands of protests...

the USA absolutely WILL NOT put boots on the ground, or do much more than we are doing right now... there's no way we'll put ourselves on the wrong side of history here....


whats really causing the world to turn on Israel??

the internet. everyone has the internet now.

there's alot of people who think Israel is just some middle eastern country, who adopted western values, and that the jews live there.


they never knew before it was all a farce! before 1948, it had been 2000 years since a jew laid claim to that land. the Land is the Palestinians, free and clear.... a little pocket of 70 million in a sea of 2 billion that would rather see them gone.......aint gonna stand.. probably not for 10 years..at best... 60-70 more years...
 
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What are you talking about? What a warmonger...there is currently a ceasefire and talks are well on their way.
 
As usual, the OP's rage is completely misguided. If you want to protest those responsible for the deaths of so many civilians, blame Hamas. If you want to blame those responsible for the blockade of free trade to and from Gaza, blame Hamas.

If Hamas cared about the Palestinian people, it could have had peace years ago. But no, what it really wants is to wage war on Israel. It doesn't give jack shit about furthering the Palestinian cause.

But the OP will drone on about big, bad Israel. He'll tell us that an accurate recitation of history is "propaganda."

SandEagle is a blind fool.


Yes, you can see his misguided propaganda spewed all over this board.
 
do you see the big sign in the picture "victory for the Intifada"?
that doesn't mean "stop israel, save gaza" that means "kill all israelis in armed conflict".
that tells you something about these people protesting, real peace lovers, and good luck for these countries once the extremists stop being a minority.
I will welcome them in Tel-Aviv once London, Dublin or Paris stop being inhabitable for non-muslims.
 
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Why are Israel`s actions in Gaza being approved of by other Arab countries??


They are not. The link you offered says that Israel has "the silent support of nearby nations".
'Silent support' is notoriously hard to measure. And as about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Do you really think the typical Saudi is pro-Israel?

Why not go there yourself and ask. Take out lots of life insurance though.

Typical Bloomberg posturing.
 
If Hamas had the means, they would flatten Israeli cities. They do not.. So why start a futile war with Israel? Simple, so Hamas can recruit shills like the OP.

Hamas can't win militarily, but they can make sure a lot of civilians die and win support in the court of public opinion.
 
What are you talking about? What a warmonger...there is currently a ceasefire and talks are well on their way.

"Current ceasefire" eh?
Don't hear of many of those.
Just time to load another Paveway on the F-16, re-calibrate the HUD, fuel up...and off we go.

... Got the blighters in my sights, control drone says they are a cluster of Hamas killers.
Press the tit, there she goes.

Booooom.

Waddya mean! Gazan kids!?

No way, I was told they were Hamas, one and all. Still, accidents happen...
 
.... and win support in the court of public opinion.

You got it one. They are certainly winning that fight.

In Sarcelles, a poor part of Paris, Local Jewish traders dare not go on the streets. Their businesses have been trashed.
Was it worth crushing the Gazans to make Jews feel vulnerable everywhere else?
 
You got it one. They are certainly winning that fight.

In Sarcelles, a poor part of Paris, Local Jewish traders dare not go on the streets. Their businesses have been trashed.
Was it worth crushing the Gazans to make Jews feel vulnerable everywhere else?
if all the outrage is against Israel why are Jews suffering outside of Israel? can't these "activists" make the distinction?
i think you know the answer to that question. this is just an excuse for the closet anti-semites to come out of the closet swinging their dicks around and raging about anything that has to do with jews/israelis.
 
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These protests show that there are still people left in the world with a moral conscience.

So allowing your women and children to be used as human shields by placing your weapons inside churches, schools, mosques is morally conscionable in your book? Good to know...
 
if all the outrage is against Israel why are Jews suffering outside of Israel? can't these "activists" make the distinction?.
Apparently not.
They are as hopeless at making that distinction (which the two of us can make with ease) as are Israeli F-16 pilots at distinguishing between civilian women and children and Hamas fighters.

But then a 2,000 lb Paveway bomb, however 'precisely' targeted, is likely to take out the whole block, do you not think?
 
Apparently not.
They are as hopeless at making that distinction (which the two of us can make with ease) as are Israeli F-16 pilots at distinguishing between civilian women and children and Hamas fighters.

But then a 2,000 lb Paveway bomb, however 'precisely' targeted, is likely to take out the whole block, do you not think?
you're wrong, and there is plenty of evidence to back that up.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/1...ke-after-spotting-children-near-target-video/

nevertheless, it is an irrelevant argument. we are discussing racism here, not militaristic warfare. (bombs aren't racist, they kill everyone equally 😉 ) take that back to the other Gaza threads.

there will always be protests, as should be in a democratic society. but racism, destruction of property, and harassment in the name of sympathy for a side in war in not what democracy is about. then again, those rioters in France don't really want a democracy, do they?

otherwise, you have completely ignored the other part of my post which was more important than what you did address. this round of fighting has spurred the most anti-semitic outrage in europe, unsurprisingly, as muslim communities grow in european countries. is their rage really directed at the conflict between Israel and Hamas? i highly doubt it.
 
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Apparently not.
They are as hopeless at making that distinction (which the two of us can make with ease) as are Israeli F-16 pilots at distinguishing between civilian women and children and Hamas fighters.

But then a 2,000 lb Paveway bomb, however 'precisely' targeted, is likely to take out the whole block, do you not think?

Did you ever stop to think that would not happen if those weapons were not stored in schools, hospitals or apartments where these civilians are???
 
do you see the big sign in the picture "victory for the Intifada"?
that doesn't mean "stop israel, save gaza" that means "kill all israelis in armed conflict".
that tells you something about these people protesting, real peace lovers, and good luck for these countries once the extremists stop being a minority.
I will welcome them in Tel-Aviv once London, Dublin or Paris stop being inhabitable for non-muslims.

This is just swallowing of propaganda. Intifada is an Arabic word for resistance or rebellion. There have been many intifadas throughout history against a variety of opponents, mostly western rulers or their own Arab rulers.

How can you have a rational conversation about this when one side is attempting to claim that supporting resistance is the same as calling for the deaths of all Israelis? I support Palestinian resistance and I most certainly hope that Israel and the Israeli people endure and live long and happy lives. To me it shows people who can't argue their side on the merits.
 
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