lol @ all the people who are getting all pissy about you using the excuse "tired" instead of "sick".
just last week i took a sick day because i was sore from surfing over the weekend and just really tired. my boss was totally cool about it and i told him the truth. he even joked with me about it! seriously, there are way better places to work then where you are...some ppl take work a LITTLE too seriously. (and no, i don't usually call in sick cuz i'm tired or whatnot....i just had no deadlines coming up and i WAS really tired and i never use sick days so i used it.)
just last week i took a sick day because i was sore from surfing over the weekend and just really tired. my boss was totally cool about it and i told him the truth. he even joked with me about it! seriously, there are way better places to work then where you are...some ppl take work a LITTLE too seriously. (and no, i don't usually call in sick cuz i'm tired or whatnot....i just had no deadlines coming up and i WAS really tired and i never use sick days so i used it.)
From what I've read of your side of the story, you work for an unappreciative, power-trippin', uptight bitch.
I agree with what some other posters have said:
1. Keep your present job.
2. Find a new one. One where you're valued for your talents and what you bring to the company/business, not the number of years you've been in the market(although I will admit, experience is the most important factor on your resume, but as they say quality is more important than quantity, to a point =p).
3. Be professional and give 2 weeks notice after you land your new job.
4. Hightail it outta there!
5. Supervisors like this get chopped down sooner or later. It's one thing to make sure your employees are working hard and producing good numbers. It's another to intrude into their personal life with a phone call home, "checking" whether you are sick or not. That shows a serious lack of respect, which is paramount in keeping good employee/r relations. What is this, high school all over again? Very unprofessional.
I agree with what some other posters have said:
1. Keep your present job.
2. Find a new one. One where you're valued for your talents and what you bring to the company/business, not the number of years you've been in the market(although I will admit, experience is the most important factor on your resume, but as they say quality is more important than quantity, to a point =p).
3. Be professional and give 2 weeks notice after you land your new job.
4. Hightail it outta there!
5. Supervisors like this get chopped down sooner or later. It's one thing to make sure your employees are working hard and producing good numbers. It's another to intrude into their personal life with a phone call home, "checking" whether you are sick or not. That shows a serious lack of respect, which is paramount in keeping good employee/r relations. What is this, high school all over again? Very unprofessional.
This sounds like a great plan. I seems that your company might be firing folks soon anyways, so why not look forward to the future.
Remember, steal all the office supplies you can in the meantime
I understand that it is easier said then done, but dude... you are grown up. That meeting was more like a lecture that might be acceptable from a parent but not from a boss/manager.
It's time to spread your wings and find a place where they do tread you as an adult! Enough said!
It's time to spread your wings and find a place where they do tread you as an adult! Enough said!
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Vic
Go back to your parents' basement. She had paid leave time available and sh!t happens. She can't control the traffic. Should she have left first thing Sunday morning in order to please your royal highness?
Like I said, sh!t happens. I have never punished an employee for circumstances beyond their control unless they make a habit of it. In an isolated instance like this, I would have stood behind my employee, not reprimanded her. I want happy productive people, not demoralized people putting their resumes together.
yeap sh!t happens. but again it is NOT the companys problem. it is hers. if she cant work because she stayed out late then they have every right to fire her.
you want happy people? how about not having people call in because they are "tired". the other people in the office had to take up the slack because she was out late. yes i understand it is NOT her fault. but again it is not works fault either.
As a manager i have to side on the boss. Granted calling her at home to see if she is sick is over the top. Unless she has a track record of calling in.
IF there wasn't any leave day left I might agree. But matter of fact is that the employee had leave left and due to the circumstance called it in. That should be the end of it! Fact is that the company doesn't own her. Matter of fact it seem greatly benefits from some of the work she puts in. A workplace has to be a place of mutual respect, the day that stops for me I am leaving. It is really as simple as that!
Just a little perspective. I knew someone that died on the road because he had to be at work that day, although circumstances where less then good. Driving around over tired doesn't sound like good behavior. Not even mentioning that she probably saved the company money for not coming in and barley hang in that day.
I am the father of two. The few possible days we have snow or ice here in Georgia I WILL NOT GO TO WORK. Work is not worth my live or my property, and yes... I knew people that wrecked their car for their job being silly trying to drive when they shouldn't have. If I am not in a mission critical position and my employer feels like I was unreasonable then it is time to move on!
If you used vacation time, it would be abusive for them to fire you. I can see if you had a deadline to meet, but for every day stuff, just let them know whats up, I would have tried to get in touch with your boss though, instead of leaving a msg, and btw your coworker needs to STFU and mind their own dsmn business, nothing I hate more than someone who thinks they are the boss.
Don't really have too much sympathy for you since you called in 'tired.' All you had to do was call in sick and nothing would have been said. As for being treated like a child, take that as a good thing. Just means that they are jealous of your position, young and the same job as them.
You should see the @$$ hat sitting next to me, we have to load images on 40 laptops, but they got new drivers and the old image is out of date interms of software etc, however I'm not allowed to create a new updated image, I just have to do it all by hand (takes about and hour longer per laptop) control freaks, but meh I get paid the same as he does and I'm out in 14 days (turning in 2 weeks this afternoon) so I really do give a flip what he thinks any more
Meh at least you didn't get fired, but after she said unless it was an emergency I would have told her obviously it was beyond the realm of your control which qualifies as an emergency, tough to explain how I'd do it, I wouldn't get mad though (emotion blinds reason...) but I can slither my way out of damn near anything and usually come out ahead heh.
Get into contact with you Labour laws office.
I'm not sure if its the same in the US but here in Canada we have sick days, and personal leave days. Sick days you are paid for. Emergency or personal days you are not, unless your employer is nice enough to pay you.
If you called in the day before and left a message for her in the AM then there isn't anything she can do. What if you were sick? People at work should be able to depend on you, yes. But they shouldn't depend on you to the point where if something goes wrong its "your" fault. That's not right.
I'm not sure if its the same in the US but here in Canada we have sick days, and personal leave days. Sick days you are paid for. Emergency or personal days you are not, unless your employer is nice enough to pay you.
If you called in the day before and left a message for her in the AM then there isn't anything she can do. What if you were sick? People at work should be able to depend on you, yes. But they shouldn't depend on you to the point where if something goes wrong its "your" fault. That's not right.
kranky
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I didn't want to post until I found out what happened in the meeting. So now that I've read that, here's my take.
There are three reasons why this went so badly for you.
1. Your boss is very driven.
2. They knew you were in Vegas for the weekend (either before or after the fact).
3. You are much younger than your co-workers.
The reason your boss (and coworker) went crazy is that they see you as an irresponsible person who parties too much. (Not saying you are, but that's how they see you). I will guess that you talk about your social life in the office. They have no social life. So the boss has been waiting for your "party lifestyle" to catch up with you so she could jump all over you, and this was her big chance. In her mind, only a snot-nosed college kid party animal would have been in your position in the first place, and then you had the UNBELIEVABLE BIG BALLS to call in TIRED! And if they knew you were in Vegas anyway, calling in sick wouldn't have made much difference. She still would have felt the same way - that you overdid it on the weekend because you are irresponsible.
She probably doesn't want to fire you. She just hates that you have an active social life and you aren't 110% devoted to work like she is, and since in this case it interfered with work, she went off the deep end. You mentioned she tries to "mother" you sometimes, and that's also part of why it went down like it did. Part of her freak-out was designed to "teach you a lesson". You were supposed to be "scared straight".
My feeling is that this will pass, but the lesson for you is not to talk about your social life in the office. Don't socialize with your coworkers or your boss (in this case, anyway). There is no possible upside to bringing your personal life into the work environment.
There are three reasons why this went so badly for you.
1. Your boss is very driven.
2. They knew you were in Vegas for the weekend (either before or after the fact).
3. You are much younger than your co-workers.
The reason your boss (and coworker) went crazy is that they see you as an irresponsible person who parties too much. (Not saying you are, but that's how they see you). I will guess that you talk about your social life in the office. They have no social life. So the boss has been waiting for your "party lifestyle" to catch up with you so she could jump all over you, and this was her big chance. In her mind, only a snot-nosed college kid party animal would have been in your position in the first place, and then you had the UNBELIEVABLE BIG BALLS to call in TIRED! And if they knew you were in Vegas anyway, calling in sick wouldn't have made much difference. She still would have felt the same way - that you overdid it on the weekend because you are irresponsible.
She probably doesn't want to fire you. She just hates that you have an active social life and you aren't 110% devoted to work like she is, and since in this case it interfered with work, she went off the deep end. You mentioned she tries to "mother" you sometimes, and that's also part of why it went down like it did. Part of her freak-out was designed to "teach you a lesson". You were supposed to be "scared straight".
My feeling is that this will pass, but the lesson for you is not to talk about your social life in the office. Don't socialize with your coworkers or your boss (in this case, anyway). There is no possible upside to bringing your personal life into the work environment.
well from the other thread, it looks like you're already looking for another job and that sounds like an even better idea right now. i read your story on your boss. you don't want to stay at that place, there's no future for you there.
Linflas
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Originally posted by: athithi
And ignore the pre-programmed jerks in this thread who think that the "company" rules the world and all the people that live in it. I bet they believe the employee handbook was written by some infallible God in Upper Management
Yep ignore all the jerks and don't worry, the job fairy will come along and make another job just for you and create a pool of capital to pay your salary and benefits.
Nitemare
Lifer
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I hate to say this, but you are feeding your bosses power trip. You did not answer her questions correctly nor did you try to defend herself. Does she have a boss? If so talk to them about her, but make sure you leave they shy, yes-sir girl in the other room. Contact HR and ask about the 0 tolerance policy that she mentioned. The only win win scenario I see is for you to work elsewhere and don't let yourself become the door mat for everyone to walk all over. Just because she is your boss does not mean that you have to obey her without question and agree to anything she says.
I'm betting this is exactly the case. I can't imagine someone acting like that without prior cause. Somehow you've left them the perception of being an irresponsible partier; however, as Kranky said, that's really NONE of their business.
It sounds like your boss has little man/woman (I've heard both "he" and "she" used, so I'm not certain at this point) syndrome where they feel the need to impose themselves and their perceived power on others. There's nothing wrong with being driven, but I always like to point out that there are many, many people far more successful who know how to treat people with dignity and respect, even in the bad times.
Dezign, I think this is the best advice given in the thread. This is exactly what I think about the situation, but I didn't know how to write it out. Pay attention to this post, and act in such a way to avoid problems spelled out in kranky's post. Good luck.
It's incidents like this that make me love working for the government. You could've had an EEO lawsuit right there...heh.
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