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[Damn Dirty Ape]

waggy: I was JUST getting ready to post basically the same thing you did.. lessee... trip to vegas, got in late, called in to work, offloaded work to the co-worker*s*, then spends bunches of time fielding responses here on ATOT... Funny thing would be if the supervisor was monitoring the web usage, saw the BBS address, came here as a lurker and has it printed out with the times of posting and all..

hehe. apparently the person here does not value their job....

that said, may the gods be with ya..

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

The consequences of your actions would be if you decided to take a flight you knew would get you back at 6:30 am. If you thought it would get you back at 11:00 pm that's hardly a consequence of your actions, and is in fact the fault of whoever delayed the flight.

Doesn't matter whose fault it was. It wasn't the companies fault, so you're left holding the bag.

If you order some fish at a restaurant and the cook doesn't grill it fully, giving you food poisoning, it isn't your fault you're crapping yourself to death in the bathroom all day because you decided to order fish instead of steak.

Get's a little gray maybe, but I'm comfortable with the distiction. Like I said, if you're sick, you're sick ... take the sick time. It's not the same as getting back to late from vacation.

 

[Graphicd00d]

Your boss is a biatch!

If I was you, I would start looking for a new job not because you might not have a job there but you work for a jackass!

You don't deserve to be treated like that.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Like I said, if you're sick, you're sick ... take the sick time. It's not the same as getting back to late from vacation.

It is if you get back so late you are sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation is an illness, not an excuse. It falls under the scope of sick leave. You could probably get a doctor's note for it if it didn't make you so non-functional.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Graphicd00d
Your boss is a biatch!

If I was you, I would start looking for a new job not because you might not have a job there but you work for a jackass!

You don't deserve to be treated like that.

If "you was her" then you probably would have had your job application declined.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Like I said, if you're sick, you're sick ... take the sick time. It's not the same as getting back to late from vacation.

It is if you get back so late you are sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation is an illness, not an excuse. It falls under the scope of sick leave. You could probably get a doctor's note for it if it didn't make you so non-functional.

A hangover is an illness ... maybe I'll go tie one on tonight. I don't feel like going to work tomorrow.

 

[waggy]

I would be more concerned about the gambling problem then about the job. you can always find onother one. but a gambling problem is bad.


oh i dont think hangover is a illness. it can be a symptom of a illness(alcholism) though. well i would think it would be anyway.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Like I said, if you're sick, you're sick ... take the sick time. It's not the same as getting back to late from vacation.

It is if you get back so late you are sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation is an illness, not an excuse. It falls under the scope of sick leave. You could probably get a doctor's note for it if it didn't make you so non-functional.

A hangover is an illness ... maybe I'll go tie one on tonight. I don't feel like going to work tomorrow.

Oh and don't forget that after getting plastered at the bar, you get into a fight and bust up your hands. That's disability.

 

[crumpet19]

I need resolution!!

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Like I said, if you're sick, you're sick ... take the sick time. It's not the same as getting back to late from vacation.

It is if you get back so late you are sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation is an illness, not an excuse. It falls under the scope of sick leave. You could probably get a doctor's note for it if it didn't make you so non-functional.

A hangover is an illness ... maybe I'll go tie one on tonight. I don't feel like going to work tomorrow.

That is a direct consequence of your choice, not an unexpected one. If you get hammered you know you'll be hungover the next day. If your book a flight you don't know it'll be 7 hours late.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: waggy
I would be more concerned about the gambling problem then about the job. you can always find onother one. but a gambling problem is bad.


oh i dont think hangover is a illness. it can be a symptom of a illness(alcholism) though. well i would think it would be anyway.

I'd say it's at least as much of an illness as sleep deprivation ... I've felt pretty ill at least

 

[Nocturnal]

Maybe a warning but then again how would you feel if you were your boss and you had an employee that just went on a fabolous trip to Vegas and on his or her return to work called in sick because he or she was tired. Just put yourself in your boss's shoes.

 

[jamautosound]

Originally posted by: pyonir
You should have called in sick...not tired.

Exactly. Maybe they're jealous cuz you went to Vegas and they didn't.

Do they have an "at will" agreement?

 

[Stark]

I use the excuse "I have to take care of some family issues" when I have to call in not-sick. People are always really nice when you get back.

Calling in one day and having to go to a meeting because of it is crazy. Her boss really must be a control freak. I couldn't work like that.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Like I said, if you're sick, you're sick ... take the sick time. It's not the same as getting back to late from vacation.

It is if you get back so late you are sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation is an illness, not an excuse. It falls under the scope of sick leave. You could probably get a doctor's note for it if it didn't make you so non-functional.

A hangover is an illness ... maybe I'll go tie one on tonight. I don't feel like going to work tomorrow.

That is a direct consequence of your choice, not an unexpected one. If you get hammered you know you'll be hungover the next day. If your book a flight you don't know it'll be 7 hours late.

I agree completly ... where we disagree is that I don't think either of those cases are my employers problem, and they shouldn't take the hit for it.

I might argue that when leaving Vegas for LA at 6:30 pm., not getting enough sleep is not really a completly unexpected consequence... 15 on a Sunday night is a bitch ... often a deadly one.

 

[speed01]

Well?....

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

of course if the person in question got the axe, they may not be posting until they get home either..... some places just escort a person to their desk/cube and wait for them to clean out and out the door they go.. at-will employment can be so much fun.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Hellspawn
of course if the person in question got the axe, they may not be posting until they get home either..... some places just escort a person to their desk/cube and wait for them to clean out and out the door they go.. at-will employment can be so much fun.

when we had to let people go we would not even escort them to there desk/cube. we would box up everthing that was personal (bags coat etc). that why they couldnt grab anything that was teh company's.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

ya, seen that done too.. fortunately not to me, but...

 

[Vic]

Folks, just an FYI: the normal drive time from Las Vegas to LA is only 4 hours.
Run into some normal bad traffic and 5-6 might happen. For it to take 12+ hours is highly unusual. I've seen some people in this thread speculate that it's normally a 7-8 hour drive. It's not. Dezign was not in the wrong by leaving at 6:30pm... she expected to be home by 10:30 or 11 at that latest.

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

awaiting result of meeting....

 

[imported_Tomato]

Update:

I was issued a verbal and written warning. My boss said if anything like this happens again, I will be formally written up and dismissed.

Boss: "What happened yesterday was NOT acceptable. If this was any other company, if I was any other boss, you'd be fired on the spot without a second thought. I know you went to Vegas, but staying out late and partying and getting drunk is no excuse not to come into work and fulfill your job responsibilities. What you did by not coming in was irresponsible and immature. It is YOUR duty as a worker, as someone I hired to work for me, to be here every day unless you are ill or it is an emergency. You should never let your fun interrupt your duty as an employee."

Me (upset she assumed I was "out late/partying", which my coworker assumed when I came in... he said "I don't even want to hear it, you can't skip work because you're hungover" when I started to explain... I NEVER go out/drink/party on weeknights, a "crazy weekday" night to me is having an ATOT board game party): "I understand and I agree. But in my defense, I did plan ahead and I left Las Vegas at 6pm Sunday evening, expecting to be home no later than midnight. There was an accident on the 15 which had traffic backed up for miles, and we were basically stop-and-go for four hours." (we actually returned to the area around 4:30am, but I had to drop off my friends in Glendale and Irvine, and by the time I got home it was 6:30am)

Boss: "You should have planned it better, and that is no excuse. I don't want to hear excuses. I don't care why you were back at 6:30am, that's something you have to suck up and deal with. I expect you to be ready to work at 9am, unless you have previously requested time off, unless it is an emergency, or unless you are sick."

Me (not knowing what else to say... planned it better??!): "I understand."

Boss: "If it happens again, you WILL be written up and dismissed. Do I make myself clear?"

Me: "Yes. It won't happen again."

Boss: "Do you think I'm being fair? I could write you up right now, but I'm choosing not to."

Me: "Yes. It won't happen again. Thank you."

Boss: "See that it doesn't."

(end of meeting)

*sigh* Two strikes and you're out, I guess.

Regarding my Internet time (particularly on ATOT). I ONLY browse and post on the message boards when I have time. I do NOT go on ATOT unless I have fulfilled my job duties, and I only go online or attend to personal matters when I have time to (nothing else to take care of). With what I do, some times are busier than others. However, I NEVER postpone my work duties to surf or mess around online, and have ALWAYS fulfilled my job requirements (frequently going above and beyond, IMO). It doesn't take a brain surgeon to do this job, and even my boss/coworker admits to that... it's entry-level, and I am VERY efficient at what I do. I get things done well, correctly, and on time... and lo and behold, I am left with PLENTY of extra time which I would otherwise spend staring at my cubicle wall.

For those of you who read my "critique my resume/cover letter" thread, you know that I have been extremely restless at my current job, and am looking for something more challenging/fulfilling. I haven't been happy here for quite some time now... partly because of the lackluster "work" involved, partly because of management/coworkers.

You can be sure I'll be sowing my seeds elsewhere, and hopefully one of those seeds will blossom into fruition.

Thank you all for the advice, feedback and support. I've finished my duties (have gone beyond/over quota) for this ENTIRE week, but will go and shuffle around my cubicle now, straightening up, etc. so it looks like I'm busy.

*sigh*

Needless to say, I'm not very encouraged to go above and beyond in this type of work environment... micromanagement gives me a headache.

Off to shuffle. Have a good night, everyone...

 

[pyonir]

Micromanagers suck.

 

[Armitage]

I may not agree with how you handled it, but your boss is definitely over-reacting.
Good luck, and be ready to move on.

 

[Vic]

Your boss is a total bitch. And while she is in her rights to do what she is doing, she is also completely wrong. The only reason I wouldn't quit on the spot to a bitch like that is so I could prep a proper fsck you for her on my way out the door. Get your resume together.