10+ dead during shooting at the paper that ran Muhammad cartoon

[Orignal Earl]

thanks for continuing to display your liberal ignorance.

Your obviously confused

 

[5150Joker]

Ok not to diminish what happened in France, but why is it always such a HUGE tragedy when a bunch of whites in the West are killed? Pakistan was also mauled by terrorists when 140+ kids got shot up recently and there wasn't much outcry. While Pakistan has it's faults politically, that doesn't lessen the fact that there are Muslims out there fighting against extremism and paying a severe price for it. There's also the Kurds (who ARE Muslims) fighting ISIS.

However, for whatever reason, when there's even a small scale attack in the West (and this was a small scale attack), the world should be up in arms because a bunch of whites died and now Islam should be destroyed? Gimme a fuckin break. If you want to eradicate Islam and Muslims, get off the internet and go join the military or form your own militia and head to the mid east and see how far you get. Otherwise please save your diatribe for the other lunatics at your Sunday services.

 

[Zorkorist]

Terrorism is a relatively new thing. Some might say, since 09-11-2001.

We're still getting used to the idea that Religions can hate, or kill.

Normally, Religion is a Sunday at Church.

-John

 

[5150Joker]

Terrorism is a relatively new thing. Some might say, since 09-11-2001.

We're still getting used to the idea that Religions can hate, or kill.

Normally, Religion is a Sunday at Church.

-John

Terrorism is new? You must have been born yesterday or are extremely ignorant of the world around you.

 

[Zorkorist]

Ya think?

-John

 

[zinfamous]

Terrorism is a relatively new thing. Some might say, since 09-11-2001.

We're still getting used to the idea that Religions can hate, or kill.

Normally, Religion is a Sunday at Church.

-John

1.
Only stupid people would say that. Try, at least, the 1st century AD. What about the IRA, from the early 20th century on? What I assume you consider terrorism--the current version in which only brown people do it--look at the late 60s and especially 70s when plane hijackings were all the rage.
2.
no one is only now getting used to the idea that religions can hate and kill. It was the centuries-long definition of Christian power at one point. Islam then, as well as now.

It is, in no way, a new or unique concept.

If you spend your days reading Family Circus and only going outside to walk to the little church on Sundays, then you might think these things.

Religion doesn't have to create hate and violence, but it has always been part of the package. Hell, look at Oklahoma City, the KKK, Nazis, abortion clinic bombings. Still plenty of hate and murder going on among "civilized Christians." (not to downplay the vastly unbalanced degree with which islamic psychopaths murder; but open your eyes)

3. what do you mean by normal? in your world? Normally, religion is practiced in many different ways, on many different days, in many different places, and perhaps only on this tiny spec of insignificant dust in the universe. Church isn't exactly "normal."

 

[Zorkorist]

Terrorism, is defined by 09-11-2001.

You can go try and say, that we had plenty of warning, or that it always happens,

but you would be wrong.

Islam, Terrorism, came about on one day, 09-11-2011.

-John

 

[5150Joker]

Terrorism, is defined by 09-11-2001.

You can go try and say, that we had plenty of warning, or that it always happens,

but you would be wrong.

Islam, Terrorism, came about on one day, 09-11-2011.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Mexican Drug Lords, excepted.

-John

 

[Orignal Earl]

Terrorism, is defined by 09-11-2001.

You can go try and say, that we had plenty of warning, or that it always happens,

but you would be wrong.

Islam, Terrorism, came about on one day, 09-11-2011.

-John

Do you have another word for the terrorist acts that happened before 911?

 

[Zorkorist]

Attacks on America.

We didn't realize (as a public) it was Muslims.

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

But we aren't talking about "Muslims in general", we're talking about a specific sizable minority within Islam who ARE a threat to the West and indeed, to ALL non-Muslims. That we recognize these animals' existence without living in fear is no different from recognizing the existence of grizzly bears or cobras or rabid animals without living in fear. We take appropriate precautions if we believe we are likely to encounter any of them; we DON'T pretend that they don't exist.

First bold, you haven't been paying attention to a lot of the posts in this (and other) threads because they are filled with general anti Islam/anti-Muslim attacks

Second bold, who the hell is pretending that Islamic extremists, some of who preach/practice violence, don't exist? Seriously, who?

Why would advocating murder of infidels and the violent overthrow of non-Islamic governments be a thought crime whereas saying something against Islam is considered an actual crime?

Ask the govt of a country where saying something negative against Islam is considered a crime?

Far as I'm concerned, both are 'thought crimes'.

 

[feralkid]

Terrorism is a relatively new thing. Some might say, since 09-11-2001.

-John

Who could be so historically ignorant as to say something like that?

.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Your right the people in France that just killed some journalists were not doing in in the name of Allah. /s

I don't give a damn who/what they claimed to be killing for. They're the kind of assholes who look for *anything* to justify the fact that they are assholes who want to do the things that assholes like to do.

Some assholes call themselves Muslims, some call themselves Christians, some call themselves KKK, some call themselves Hell's Angels, some call themselves Nazis, some call themselves communists. What they share in common, they're all fucking assholes. Their 'beliefs' are meaningless.

 

[Zorkorist]

They all tend to graduate to "asking for respect."

Bunch of sad, lonely, individuals, that look to anyone that can prop them up.

Religion, Prostitution, Hate, etc., all have their way with weak minded people like this.

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

thanks for continuing to display your liberal ignorance.

Jackass.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Terrorism, is defined by 09-11-2001.

You can go try and say, that we had plenty of warning, or that it always happens,

but you would be wrong.

Islam, Terrorism, came about on one day, 09-11-2011.

-John

Tell that to the Brits re their issues with the IRA.

Tell that to the Spanish with their issues re the Basque.

Tell that to any number of countries that have dealt with terrorism throughout human history.

Read a history book sometime.

 

[Abwx]

The number of dangerous Muslim extremists in France is probably far greater than 40,000. Luckily the worst of them tend to travel to the Middle East where they can murder the infidels without quite so much risk, but plenty remain.

LOL, one must be dead brain to assume that such numbers would be accurate, i m french, of algerian descent and living in France and i knwio very well how it works here and what are the mentalities, from what i could get here and there i can tell you that you re quite a hate spreader using surealist and indeed wishfull numbers to describe not what is reality but to litteraly wet dreaming of what you would the french muslims, same case as Nebor.

Marseilles for example is now over 30% Muslim and is the most dangerous city in all of Europe.

I went to marseille a few months ago and there s nothing dangeourous for the regular citizen, certainly less dangeourous by quite a big margin than the safest of your US cities, isnt it, how does it come that a city filled with thoses muslims that you brand as extremists is much much safer than any city in the US?.So who are the savage, let s talk numbers rather than your usual ridiculous and overly inflated wild speculations.

Jews are fleeing France in general (for many, after having fled TO France from Muslim nations) due to the unrelenting violence.

Prove that you understand nothing, France history is very atypical, most of the jews that live in France are of Algerian descent, do you know why they all emigrated in France when Algeria get independance, hey because they were traitors to their own country, in 1870 the Rothshild, who were french, used France defeat against Germany to their advantage, Rothshild agreed to amass the money France has to pay to Germany in exchange of algerian native jews being granted french citizenship, notice that the muslims that were called to fight Germany never got thoses rights, but alas, this backfired in 1962 when Algeria got her independance, they had to leave the country with all french nationals, check wiki and Albert Jacob Cremieux (a french jewish parliament representant) decree.

As for french jew fleeing, well there s at least 600 000 jews, good luck seeing them fleeing while last year they break all records at 7000 that emigrated to Palestine, at this rate and given the birth rate it will take what, 150-200 years for all jews to emigrate, yet another of your ridiculous myth busted and your lack of intelligence and culture exposed.

 

[Abwx]

Your right the people in France that just killed some journalists were not doing in in the name of Allah. /s

In the early 70s a so called political activist jew whose family was famed staged an hold up in a french bank, he killed one policeman and one woman who was an employee and wounded several people, he was formaly identified by some victims, yet he got only a small sentence due to a massive jewish lobbying, a few years later he was misteriously killed in Paris, believe it or not, when buried his coffin was followed by 15 000 reputed jews, 15 000 jews mourning a gangster and terrorist that killed a policeman and an innocent woman, so in this respect the jewish community of France openly supported a terrorist and murderer because he was a jew, muslims of France will never in a million years be as baseless and irrespectful of France, here the history of muslims in France :

Military cemetery of Vesoul.

 

[schmuckley]

You *are* afraid and everything you post reinforces that fact. It seems a sad way to live one's life. <shrug>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

You should be afraid,Muslims hate liberals,gays,and Jews.

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

You should be afraid,Muslims hate liberals,gays,and Jews.

No.

 

[bradly1101]

I'm finding it important to remember that in many places there is a perceived American war on Islam. Images of dead and wounded innocent Muslims that were killed by American weapons are all over social media. This includes casualties in Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan... We call it 'collateral damage.' The local population of non-combatants feels terrorized by our attacks. Indeed in some places America is considered a terrorist state. {gasp}

If one believes that strongly enough to want to do something about it and has the means and opportunity I guess s/he radicalizes.

We have to find a way to exist peacefully in the world and be an example for others. Right now (to many) we are an example of attack which can invite reaction. I believe that the new paradigm for geopolitics is that for every action there is a larger and opposite reaction. Look what happened when we made a silly movie.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Interesting, talk about your 'slut shaming'.

Catholic League President Bill Donohue wrote, 2 days ago:

MUSLIMS ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY

January 7, 2015 by Bill
Filed under Latest News Releases
2015 - January Releases


"Bill Donohue comments on the killing of 12 people at the Paris office of the newspaper Charlie Hebdo:

Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.

Those who work at this newspaper have a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning of public figures, and this is especially true of their depictions of religious figures. For example, they have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms. They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses.

While some Muslims today object to any depiction of the Prophet, others do not. Moreover, visual representations of him are not proscribed by the Koran. What unites Muslims in their anger against Charlie Hebdo is the vulgar manner in which Muhammad has been portrayed. What they object to is being intentionally insulted over the course of many years. On this aspect, I am in total agreement with them.

Stephane Charbonnier, the paper’s publisher, was killed today in the slaughter. It is too bad that he didn’t understand the role he played in his tragic death. In 2012, when asked why he insults Muslims, he said, “Muhammad isn’t sacred to me.” Had he not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive. Muhammad isn’t sacred to me, either, but it would never occur to me to deliberately insult Muslims by trashing him.

Anti-Catholic artists in this country have provoked me to hold many demonstrations, but never have I counseled violence. This, however, does not empty the issue. Madison was right when he said, “Liberty may be endangered by the abuses of liberty as well as the abuses of power.”

http://www.catholicleague.org/muslims-right-angry/

 

[dawheat]

When the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the world are performed by Islamic-based groups, literally hundreds of attacks a year, when does the mainstream religion as a whole have to start accepting some responsibility that horrors are being performed in their name?

Yes the average Muslim is shocked by these attacks and personally would never hurt another human being. But I'm increasingly feeling that shock and revulsion aren't enough anymore - that they have a religious duty to actively speak out against and work against the root causes that are creating this extremism.

That if a congregation doesn't excommunicate any iman who preaches violence, then they accept that blood is on their hands, even if they don't commit violence themselves. That imans who don't believe in violence band together and excommunicate those that do. That those that are willing to proclaim they support violence are pushed to the social fringes in their country, mocked, and scorned by their fellow religious believers. Saying it's wrong isn't enough - they must lead the charge to end extremism in the name of their religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015

 

[5150Joker]

When the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the world are performed by Islamic-based groups, literally hundreds of attacks a year, when does the mainstream religion as a whole have to start accepting some responsibility that horrors are being performed in their name?

Yes the average Muslim is shocked by these attacks and personally would never hurt another human being. But I'm increasingly feeling that shock and revulsion aren't enough anymore - that they have a religious duty to actively speak out against and work against the root causes that are creating this extremism.

That if a congregation doesn't excommunicate any iman who preaches violence, then they accept that blood is on their hands, even if they don't commit violence themselves. That imans who don't believe in violence band together and excommunicate those that do. That those that are willing to proclaim they support violence are pushed to the social fringes in their country, mocked, and scorned by their fellow religious believers. Saying it's wrong isn't enough - they must lead the charge to end extremism in the name of their religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015

Replace "imam" with "politician" in the US and other countries and you have a similar situation. The US wrongfully invaded Iraq and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and it resulted in a civil war that is still ongoing. A large segment of the US population disagrees with it yet they haven't done much to change course. Same shit with Islam but worse, it's a fractured religion (shia vs sunni, tribes vs tribes) with no central authority. The countries that proclaim to be Islamic are usually run by dictators or the military.