Zimmerman Riot poll. place your bets

[Doppel]

Maybe this bit I just read from an AP story on part of the 27 page instructions might help clear thing up as to why the decision is what it was,

"But the essential criteria for deciding the case came from the court itself, which told jurors that Zimmerman was allowed to use deadly force when he shot the teen not only if he actually faced death or bodily harm, but also if he merely thought he did. "

'nuff said, and WOW what a fucked up law, if I'm carrying with a valid CC and I something/someone is scary enough. blast it!...

Whoever wrote that is being disingenuous. It doesn't matter what GZ thought. I matters what a REASONABLE person would think. If you genuinely believe that red heads will kill you, you truly do and your shrink agrees entirely this is your dearest belief, you cannot kill them first because a reasonable person would not agree that redheads pose a threat.

Actually, not a great example as gingers lack souls. Replace red head with short people.

 

[Ns1]

Whoever wrote that is being disingenuous. It doesn't matter what GZ thought. I matters what a REASONABLE person would think. If you genuinely believe that red heads will kill you, you truly do and your shrink agrees entirely this is your dearest belief, you cannot kill them first because a reasonable person would not agree that redheads pose a threat.

Actually, not a great example as gingers lack souls. Replace red head with short people.

+1

 

[tynopik]

Maybe this bit I just read from an AP story on part of the 27 page instructions might help clear thing up as to why the decision is what it was,

"But the essential criteria for deciding the case came from the court itself, which told jurors that Zimmerman was allowed to use deadly force when he shot the teen not only if he actually faced death or bodily harm, but also if he merely thought he did. "

'nuff said, and WOW what a fucked up law, if I'm carrying with a valid CC and I something/someone is scary enough. blast it!...

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html

However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony

 

[BUTCH1]

Whoever wrote that is being disingenuous. It doesn't matter what GZ thought. I matters what a REASONABLE person would think. If you genuinely believe that red heads will kill you, you truly do and your shrink agrees entirely this is your dearest belief, you cannot kill them first because a reasonable person would not agree that redheads pose a threat.

Actually, not a great example as gingers lack souls. Replace red head with short people.

I dunno, I kinda like the Wendy's commercials Redhead :awe:
I guess the keyword the AP wire report left out is "reasonable" as bolded by Tynopik

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm shocked that the media left a word or two out of a report.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Maybe this bit I just read from an AP story on part of the 27 page instructions might help clear thing up as to why the decision is what it was,

"But the essential criteria for deciding the case came from the court itself, which told jurors that Zimmerman was allowed to use deadly force when he shot the teen not only if he actually faced death or bodily harm, but also if he merely thought he did. "

'nuff said, and WOW what a fucked up law, if I'm carrying with a valid CC and I something/someone is scary enough. blast it!...

Not thought...as was posted it is "reasonably believed". If your head is begging smashed into the pavement I am quite sure you would be in fear of great bodily harm.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

It's over anyway, you can't prosecute a person twice for the same crime in any case in the US afaik (in other countries the appeal court can just say there were flaws and do it again) so there's nothing to be done.

Legal troubles still loom for Zimmerman

I had a feeling this was not over.

And surely federal prosecutors will be more competent- I just don't know what the punishment will be for committing criminal civil rights violations. At least it will be something.

:|

 

[desura]

There was this disturbing article I read recently, about O'Mara and Zimmerman. Can't find it right now...but...

Basically...O'Mara is saying that

1) Zimmerman feels like the gun saved his life

2) Zimmerman is getting the gun back

3) Zimmerman will be carrying the gun around now as a free man.

Which is just scummy. But given the shit spread by his brother, and the tea-tard-ness of his father, I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[tynopik]

Which is just scummy.

How so?

 

[phucheneh]

How so?

It's a Kel-tec.

 

[tynopik]

And surely federal prosecutors will be more competent- I just don't know what the punishment will be for committing criminal civil rights violations.

If they are more competent and principled they won't file any chargers.

The only charges they COULD file would be civil rights violations, basically saying George targetted Martin because George is a racist.

The problem? There's no evidence George is a racist.

www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html

After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Det. Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances — but not his race.

Serino saw Zimmerman as “having little hero complex, but not as a racist.”

. . .

Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the circumstances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.

Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was “absolutely devastated.”

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/cop-told-fbi-zimmerman-not-a-racist-765093

Chris Serino, the Sanford Police Department detective who headed the shooting probe, said that he believed that “Zimmerman’s actions were not based on Martin’s skin color.” Rather, Serino told the agents, the deadly confrontation was triggered by the 17-year-old Martin’s “attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community.”

. . .

As detailed in an FBI interview report, Serino described Zimmerman to agents as “overzealous and as having a ‘little hero complex,’ but not as a racist.” Serino noted that he had interviewed Zimmerman on numerous occasions and “feels like he knows him fairly well,”

No matter how desperately the media tries and tries to make it about race, they can't change the basic fact: it wasn't about race.

 

[desura]

Naw, it's that he doesn't seem to realize how having a gun made the situation worse, and the lack of regret being expressed. Then again, O'Mara might have had his attitude hardened during the trial, and so is just mis-characterizing it.

Like, even if the worst of what the defense says is true and Martin doubled back and jumped Zimmerman, he was at worst deserving of being pepper sprayed or tasered. Not killed.

 

[MetalMat]

If they are more competent and principled they won't file any chargers.

The only charges they COULD file would be civil rights violations, basically saying George targetted Martin because George is a racist.

The problem? There's no evidence George is a racist.

www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html




http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/cop-told-fbi-zimmerman-not-a-racist-765093



No matter how desperately the media tries and tries to make it about race, they can't change the basic fact: it wasn't about race.

I LOOOOVVVEEEEE the fact that the biased media is now eating their own crap. This was never about race.

 

[tynopik]

the lack of regret being expressed.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html

Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was “absolutely devastated.”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/justice/florida-zimmerman-interview/

Zimmerman sat for an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity and expressed his regrets to the parents of Martin, 17

. . .

Martin's family in a statement, said Zimmerman "does not regret anything he did that night."

. . .

Zimmerman, who apologized to Martin's parents during an April bond hearing, again expressed regret Wednesday.

. . .

"I am sorry that they buried their child. I can't imagine what it must feel like. And I pray for them daily."

 

[Patranus]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html




http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/justice/florida-zimmerman-interview/

Martin's family in a statement, said Zimmerman "does not regret anything he did that night."

I wouldn't regret shooting someone who was bashing my head into concrete.
What is the alternative? Dying myself?

 

[JackBurton]

I wouldn't regret shooting someone who was bashing my head into concrete.
What is the alternative? Dying myself?

Exactly.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I wouldn't regret shooting someone who was bashing my head into concrete.
What is the alternative? Dying myself?

Would you regret putting yourself in a situation where you had to end the life of someone that would, otherwise, have gone on to be a productive member of society?

 

[MaxPayne63]

Whoever wrote that is being disingenuous.

Considering this whole thing was fabricated by the media (GZ calling TM a "fucking my excellent compatriot" on the 911 tapes, GZ saying "he looks suspicious. he looks black." on the 911 tapes, 'respectable' media outlets such as the Chicago Tribune who have vowed not to mention race in stories making an exception for WHITE-hispanic george zimmerman) that should not come as any surprise.

At first I considered this nothing more than a nauseating spectacle, but now I think it does have an upside. It's the best political shill-ness test since asking someone what they think of the electoral college in early 2001.

 

[Hacp]

Would you regret putting yourself in a situation where you had to end the life of someone that would, otherwise, have gone on to be a productive member of society?

He was involved with weed, he was in possession of a gun, he was a delinquent at school, and he was involved in a fight club. Don't think he would have been productive.

 

[LTC8K6]

Would you regret putting yourself in a situation where you had to end the life of someone that would, otherwise, have gone on to be a productive member of society?

TM put GZ in that situation by attacking him out of the blue.

 

[tynopik]

Would you regret putting yourself in a situation where you had to end the life of someone that would, otherwise, have gone on to be a productive member of society?

This is what we call 'blaming the victim'.

Do you also say that rape victims 'had it coming' because they 'dressed like a slut'?

It's also not-so-thinly veiled racism. We hold people to different standards based solely on race. Martin isn't responsible for actually assaulting George, you just can't expect any better. It basically says that Martin is no better than a wild animal who can't control himself and it's George's fault for putting himself in a position that allowed himself to be attacked.

We live in a civilized society and expect ALL citizens to uphold such basic tenants as not assaulting people just because they're following you in public.

 

[Patranus]

 

[cubby1223]

A black girl was asleep in her car and 5 cops shot up the car and killed her in the black part of my town. Trial happened, all cops involved were found not guilty. Al Sharpton came and spoke, the black people had what amounted to a peaceful protest. Didn't stop my paranoid white neighbor from loading up on buck shot though.

This is what I don't understand - why do stories like this not make the national media circuit? Why instead do the dumbest of trials get all the attention? Like the Duke LaCrosse trial got huge coverage for instance.

There are many clear-cut examples of injustices to African-Americans, propping up what cases they do turn into national news is extremely counter-productive...

I don't know...

 

[BeeBoop]

This man said it best. In summary, he says the black community is made up of savages that treat each other like dirt and blame it on the white man at any chance they get. TM has nothing to do with racism and yet the black folks are still protesting and crying like TM was murdered by the KKK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

 

[Remobz]

This man said it best. In summary, he says the black community is made up of savages that treat each other like dirt and blame it on the white man at any chance they get. TM has nothing to do with racism and yet the black folks are still protesting and crying like TM was murdered by the KKK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

Damn idiots!

I hope GZ has learnt a lesson here and don't carry any more guns.